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Barbosa/Randolph?

Yeah, I know it's silly to discuss breaking up a team with the chemistry the Pacers have shown recently. Still, even if the Pacers hadn't demonstrated their need for more depth against the Magic last night, it's something we all know that they need. I'm not talking about some monster trade scenario involving Danny Granger, or really any contributing player. The only players I'd really be willing to give up, actually, would be ones like AJ Price, Lance Stephenson, Lou Admundson, or Jeff Pendergraph, so I know this all kind of "in an ideal world" hyperbole. Still, if Larry Bird could somehow make it happen, these players might be interesting for the Pacers.

Anthony Randolph: I remember this guy was on Bird's radar in the last couple years, when the Knicks were trying to ship him out. The Timberwolves have so much depth with their big guys (Milicic, Brad Miller, Kevin Love, Tolliver) that Randolph was actually a DNP-CD against the Pacers, and hasn't played since. This is a guy who's never really gotten a fair chance at some playing time, but who has performed well when given some here and there. Being that he's still only 22(!), there's plenty of room for development. He's in the final year of his contract, so this could basically be a trial run to see how he fits with the team. At 6'11" he could arguably play some C when Foster isn't available, but he'd be best as an insurance policy for these bad spurts Hansbrough has had recently. The trade machine shows that we could get him straight up for Admundson, although in real life we'd obviously have to sweeten the deal somehow. As a young team with fifteen players already under contract, the Timberwolves might be more interested in a future second rounder.

Leandro Barbosa: The Pacers probably need more depth at the guard position than anywhere else except C. With George Hill out, we've been forced to go with Price and Stephenson, who combined against the Magic had twenty minutes of playing time and no points to show for it. If we'd had George, or a true scorer off the bench, it's possible we'd have had the depth to pull an ugly win out of that game. Barbosa, in the final year of his contract with the Raptors, could be that guy. The Raptors are 8-16 and, realistically, should probably be more worried about their draft position next year than winning games this year. Especially with DeRozan locked in as their SG of the future and three other guards on the roster, Barbosa (maybe) could be had. His 3 PT% is a little lower than we'd probably like at 35%, but he's a proven scorer. Again, we have nothing of real value I'd be willing to offer them, but a future second rounder and a player to make the numbers work (any of the previously mentioned players work in the ESPN trade machine) might be enough for a team that should be more concerned about the future. Even if he can't be had in a trade, Barbosa might be a player the Pacers could get in free agency for a relative bargain during the offseason.

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It has been awhile since we have seen a Anthony Randolph post lol

This is what.. Randolph’s 4th coach he has played for. ANd he still can’t get off the bench.

That ship has sailed. He hasn’t gotten a fair chance because he sucks.

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by dbcb on Feb 5, 2012 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

exactly.

No way 4 guys can make the same mistake.

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by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 5, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If there was a fair trade for Barbosa I would like to have him, but I doubt Toronto would part with him for cheap.

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by daledavis on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Funny you brought up someone I was thinking of...

…Brad Miller. I don’t know if he’s healthy enough to contribute anything. I don’t know if he’s on the bench b/c they have better options and younger guys that need minutes.

But, if they have no intention of using him or would just like maybe a conditional 2nd rounder for the heck of it. I wouldn’t mind having him play a few smart minutes in place of Lou Amundson’s not so smart hustle minutes.

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by trucutter on Feb 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I like Amundson way better than an old, tired Brad Miller

by Drew.Coss on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

i think that amundson is just now starting to realize his role here and starting to get the feel of the offense and what is needed of him

by Bryan ThrowedOff Wright on Feb 5, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

But if Brad were available for cheap??? Just an option. Even maybe just to retire here?

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by trucutter on Feb 5, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I’d take B Miller before Barbosa and Randolph. Idc how bad we’re missing Hill, and the ankle is supposedly not hurt as bad as originally though, so I don’t think Barbosa fits that. Randolph is lazy, and I can see him being Tinsley’d before contributing here. Besides that, I’d much rather see what Pendergraph can do full health.

by The_Dawson on Feb 5, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree we need to get a big guy without giving anything up

But Randolph doesnt solve our problems, he’s a project for a non-playoff team. And NO, he could NOT arguably play backup center. He’s about 175 lbs. Im not exagerating, using hyperbole, or being facetious when i say Lance or Dahntay would have an easier time guarding 5s.

oh what a pass by STEPHENSON! AND THEN ITS PAUL GEORGE!

by 15ks on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

We need another big guy too, because lately Roy has been wearing a dress to the games – I thought he put that thing away for good…

by FortWayneKarl on Feb 5, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

He isn't the best against the stronger centers

He still is young, his game will develop more as he learns how to deal with it

or he can just put on 20 more pounds of muscle

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by DrMustache on Feb 5, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing that worries me is

didn’t Danny say he would take off his head the next time they meet.
Althou it makes for exciting practices, it may not go well come game time.

by jonjonNYC on Feb 5, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

If I recall...

the ‘take his head off’ comment was when both teams got all butthurt over last second shots in blowout games. Something about if Danny had been near the rim when Barbosa went for a layup instead of dribbling it out he would’ve ‘taken his head off’. Bunch of rubbish and they should both be professional enough to overlook it.

by DougInOz on Feb 5, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Nah. I hate Randolph (or “Randolf”, which is his preferred spelling on message boards). He’s trash. At some point in his career he’s gong to have to transition from “potential star who just needs a chance” to “f*cking busted a$$ bust who will never be good.” I argue that time is now.

Barbosa? Volume shooter for a bad team…I guess he’s kind of what we need off the bench for scoring, but I doubt he’s any better offensively than Hill. And I know Hill plays better defense and can play more consistent minutes at the point. If we got him in a salary dump for a 2nd rounder I guess I wouldn’t be mad. But I think we have bigger priorities, like a contingency plan for if Hibbert gets hurt. Przybilla looks like he’s going with a contender. I’d consider tossing Eric Dampier a contract. But the pickins are getting slim.

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by LukeNukem on Feb 6, 2012 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

I feel you, but the dude is seriously only 22. He’s been on garbage teams his entire life (Golden State, New York, and Minnesota), so playing a contributing role on a playoff team, no matter how small that role would be, might be what motivates him. He is younger than some of the guys coming out of the draft, with a few years of NBA experience already under his belt. And exactly for all the reasons people dismiss him on here, the Pacers could likely get him for next to nothing (i.e. 2nd rounder in the 2023 draft). When he’s gotten extended playing time this year (15+ minutes), he’s averaged about 9 points and 4 rebounds per game. For the year, he’s shooting 50%. If we could pick him up for nothing, those are the kind of numbers we could use in an extra guy off the bench. If it doesn’t work out, we let him go after his contract expires. I think he’s actually a more interesting choice than Barbosa, who’s a veteran at this point with a clear ceiling. If he turns out to be more like Ike Diogu than Dale Davis, fine. We let him go.

Incidentally, I had forgotten Ike Diogu’s name while writing that and looked up our 2007-08 roster to jog my memory. Jesus Christ, we were bad.

by jakobm on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

and JOB won 36 games with it

JOB’s a dickhead idiot, but the dude’s gimmick offense and take no shit attitude really is overlooked for the good it did. not his fault Bird picked up his option and didn’t move on outta loyalty.

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by IndyPacers on Feb 8, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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