What Granger means to the Pacers
We has fans have watched Danny Granger struggle in the early part of this season. For the past couple of seasons we have also seen our fair share of the "trade Granger for ______" (filling in the blank with the likes of Al Jefferson, Nick Young, Kevin Love, and others.) The time for this talk is over and here is why.
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Granger may not be shooting the ball like he has in seasons past; we have known Granger to be a slow starter, particularly early in the season and pre-season. While he has never quite been this porous since his first two seasons in the League, one could argue that he has had to defer and facilitate to his teammates now quite more.
Has dbcb pointed out in a recent post about Granger, he is performing much more in clutch situations than in seasons past. He is also playing excellent defense has is the whole team for the most part helping the team to be around 3rd overall in Points Allowed.
Granger has been the pillar for the entire franchise since the rebuilding began following The Brawl. The Pacers have continually struggled to put out a competitive team and Granger marched on and led in his own way with whomever he had to play with.
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We all knew this team would need more playmakers and all-star caliber talent to win consistently. They have that adding in pieces like DC, Hibbert, Hansbrough, and George, all all-star candidates and all of whom are young with rising stock this season, why? Because they are hungry and their best years are ahead of them.
Yes like I said Granger is having one of his worst starts shooting the ball but the Pacers are WINNING! Wins are the bottom line in this league. Granger will eventually knock down the shots we know he can and when he does this team will be even better for it, because he isn't the heart and soul of this team but another cog that helps this team put up the W. It's no longer as Danny goes, so go the Pacers.
But does that mean we should consider trading him? Or hate on him in the FanPosts?
Take a good long look at the 76s game on Jan. 9 where Granger couldn't go because of food poisoning. While he may not have to be the whole offensive game plan for the Pacers he is still and major and integral part of what the Pacers do both offensively and defensively.
I will take his 2012 salary of $12,015,904 (according to Espn.com), his career 18 points per game, and career 43% from the field. I will take his 84% from the free-throw line, and his newfound ability to get steals on the defensive end at 2 per game this season. I will take what Granger offers this team night in and night out with his experience, tenacity, and work ethic over any other player out there you could get for the same price. You should too.
Danny Granger hits tough 3-pointer vs Raptors (12/28/11) (via Richardson20111005)
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Just as an 8 game sample is too small
given the new pieces, growth of others, and the new(ish) coaching staff, 1 game is REALLY too small. I realize Danny’s a lightning rod because he’s the highest paid guy and the de facto “best player” but it’s getting kinda old.
"He's like Darth Vader." - Frank Vogel on Larry Bird
I would agree.
Though it seems fairly clear that Paul George isn’t ready yet.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 10, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps Danny deserves a new award…. He’s won the MIP – Most Improved Player, but he’s been playing like the Most Incompatible Player for a team that isn’t a loser. Remember he’s only been the best player on bad teams, maybe he’s been showing us what he’ll play like for the entire season on a winning team (which is what almost everyone expects the Pacers to be this year)… But I really hope this isn’t the case and will be quite happy to be proven wrong.
C’mon Granger show that you can hit some shots and get excited about more than your longest running 3 pointer games streak! Otherwise, if you’re going to continue to play like sh!t, I’d rather you just sit on the crapper w/ food poisoning for the entire season!
JP, you needed more choices in your voting, I could choose “none of the above”. From what I’ve seen, I’m expecting him to continue subpar play the whole year (which is better than nothing), but again hope that I am wrong.
I'm also predicting subpar commenting from Karl the rest of the season. . .
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Ok I see . . . all you guys up North stick together . . . whatever.
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What we need from Danny now.
Is the following:
a.) Effort
b.) Focus
c.) Efficiency
d.) Consistency
I think he’s showing more consistent effort. And I can’t imagine he’s missing the ‘good’ shots he takes on purpose so I won’t blame him for that. But, he needs to focus on efficiency (taking good shots and not commiting turnovers and bad offensive possesions) and consistency. I didn’t see the Charlotte game, but I do think he’s getting a bit better, from what little we’ve seen so far this season, at being another cog in the wheel rather than the best player on a bad team. At this point, he just has not shown the understanding of when to push it and maybe force the action (which should be rarely given the solid all around talent we have) and when to deffer to others and let the offense come to him.
He needs to learn all that. Move without the ball, pass out of the lane, come off screens, become a cutter. He’s done a very little bit of that in the past, but not enough this season.
I am in no way advocating any shopping of Danny Granger now, or likely anytime later in this season…however….
If he can’t find his role in 2012, with $13, and then $14mil. due the next two seasons and some quality, but not All-star type RFA (don’t kid yourself JPSinclair) needing to be retained, likely at a price possibly slightly higher than actual on-court value…I don’t think we can keep Danny for sentimental reasons, or because he still shows flashes of being an above average player.
It’s hard to quantify what I really expect from him, but I’ll say this. With the slow/steady emergence of Paul George, the addition of Hill and West, and some other solid offensive options (Hansbrough and Hibbert namely)…if his Assists don’t go up to 3 or 4 per game and his PPS (points-per-shot…my prefered method of scoring efficiency) doesn’t get back to the 1.3+ range…I’m done with Danny.
peac.e
I'd add the following, just to rule out something medical - w/ full disclosure to Pacer Management
1. Eye Test
2. Catscan
3. Full body MRI
4. Ear Exam (for balance)
5. Sports Psychologist Exam+Testing
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 10, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see it...
I would really like to believe he was all of that and a bag of chips too, but are we watching the same games? So far this season, when the offense has went well, it was more often than not when the ball kinda skipped Granger down the floor. Vogal has said time after time that good things happens when they pass the ball and most of the team gets it. But too many times Danny has killed the flow by shooting as soon as he gets the ball. He was the best player on bad teams. The talent has caught up with him and he isn’t responding.
I’m not even sure if he is the 4th best player on the team now. Trade him? To who? If anyone in the league thinks he is worth that much money, I think he would have already been gone.
He’s here for the duration folks… Just look at the numbers!
Agreed.
Based on performance alone, not history, he should be on the bench, not starting.
Teams make stupid trades all the time. It’s possible he’d do better in a new environment, but here I think (unless something medically is wrong with him), that he plain cannot deal with going from number 1 banana to number 4, 5, or 6 banana in one season.
In the season opener, I was sitting 2nd row center courtside, so I could see everything very well and the thing I saw Granger get most excited about the entire game was hitting his first three, which struck me as strange at the time, and stranger still as time passes and he continues to suck.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
How Soon We Forget
the stellar defense and 4th Quarter daggers Granger has delivered.
This is the NBA - what have you done for me lately is all that matters.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Is there an echo in here???
I’m talking about this year, genius! :)
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 10, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Echo Indeed - Can You Hear It!!!
Team Captain…Team Captain…Team Captain…
Actually Danny might be doing it on the Defensive End – according to these guys anyway.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 10, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can believe that he's been better than Paul George this year.
I suppose George gets the better player usually, but Paul hasn’t looked as good as what we saw in the playoffs last year, or so it seems.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 11, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Did I Miss Something?
Did Granger actually play yesterday?
stick w Danny
It was painfully obvious that George is not ready to assume Danny’s spot. Danny, a #15 pick, is what he is, a very good player, not super star level, we conceded that long ago. He is adjusting with no preseason, like everyone else. He can be counted on as a good 18/5/3 man with good defensive skills, anything else is a bonus——I don’t think his high scoring days were of his choosing, there was just no one else to go to. He has had some issues finishing at the rim this year, and not getting the respect he deserves from the officials——-but he is taking it to the rim—-it will get prettier as the season moves on. I think his shooting percentage will go up, his defensive presence will become more apparent now that the “only option” weight is off, and he is a clutch shot option——-relax, after years of less than mediocre—- now is not the time to be impatient,

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