Here's a crazy thought
Ok, I'll admit, I started imbibing at halftime of our no-show tonight against the Heat. But earlier today, ESPN's Chad Ford said the ideal situation for the Suns when dealing with Nash (as he will most likely leave next year) is to trade him to Indiana for Darren Collison. Now obviously, this would have to be a deal where Nash gets extended (or agrees to an extension) prior to the trade. I personally would love this deal. Although Nash is older, he's a clear upgrade over Collison (neither plays any D, but Nash is better shooter/passer/penetrator/winner of MVPs). Unless the Pacers are absolutely dead set on DC as PG of the future, they would have to consider it. Part I of this plan: Convince Nash to resign here for two more years and trade DC for him straight up. Nash resigning isn't totally far fetched. He's Canadian (I'll assume that cold doesn't bother him) and Phoenix isn't a large market either. Do this immediately.
Part II of the Plan: Because of NBA trade rules, the Hornets are over the cap and acquired Eric Gordon, so they can't trade him with additional players until mid-February. Thus, we wait until mid-February (possibly over All-Star weekend) and we propose the following: Danny Granger, Lou Amundson, and 2012 First Rounder for Eric Gordon and Chris Kaman. Why NOLA does it: They get hometown guy DG (and really, a top 30 player), Amundson is gone after this year, they get another first in a stacked draft, and most importantly, they don't lose Gordon for nothing after this season. Why IND does it: they get a coveted scorer in Gordon (and a hometown guy for IU/Indy ticket buyers) who is probably a top 5 SG in the league and upgrade our frontcourt depth in the short term (and he's expiring in the long term).
Now, I'll admit, this doesn't give us much time to gel as a team, especially with this schedule. But it seems like our offense right now is based on pointlessly driving to the basket, and I'd rather have Nash driving and kicking it out to Granger (until all-star break and who's real strength isn't creating, its catching and shooting), George (who's killing it from 3 this season) and West (who's one of the best spot up shooters at PF). Plus, we solve our crunchtime problem by calling pick-and-roll with Nash and West over and over again (at least until we get Gordon, who also can create on offense).
So we have this until the All-Star break:
Nash, George, Granger, West, Hibbert with Hill, Jones, Hansbrough, Lance, Lou, and Foster off the bench.
After the break: Nash, Gordon, George, West, Hibbert with Hill, Jones, Hans, Lance, Kaman, and Foster off the bench.
This lineup is scary good and scary deep. This only really makes us a little weaker on D, but we can score with anyone with this lineup. Nash is playing with a pretty terrible cast with the Suns, but he's still got it. And the addition of Kaman to back Hibbert up (and adding Foster) we have the front court depth to battle the Bulls.
Future: We extend Nash for two years before the trade for DC (lets assume at $11 M per year, which is what he's making now; we might even get a discount, again he's older). We have a decision to make next year on Hill, but the market will determine that. If he's reasonable, we match offers. If not we let him go. Some think Hill's not looking good at PG anyway. No matter who is here, we have Nash to tutor Lance/Hill so Point Guard spot is locked up. Next year West comes back (PF locked up for at least a year). George is locked in at SF. After these deals, in this season, we give up $16.3 M and get back $29.3 M. So, we'd still have roughly 7 million in cap room in this season. At the end of the year, we have two main guys to resign: Hibbert and Gordon. But here's the beautiful thing: Kaman and his $13.8M come off the books. That gives us almost $21 Million extra to resign Gordon, Hibbert, and Hill. We give $7M of that to Roy (now at $10M per), $10M to Gordon (to $14 M per), and $4M to Hill (to $5.5M per; if we think he's worth that). We replace Foster (who probably retires) and Kaman (who we don't resign) with cheap bigs.
So in 2012-13 we have this:
Nash (2 years), Gordon (4 years), George (2 years; use Nash's money after to resign him in 2014-15 then have Hill/Lance at PG but that's years away), West (1 year), Hibbert (4 years). That's a dangerous team with hope for the future. The only possible downside is resigning Hans, but we could (if we were so inclined) give West's money, or some of it, to him after 12-13.
Thoughts?
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To consider your trades ....
1. I believe we do the Nash trade IF he is extended … Collison just isn’t as good still as Nash
2. NOLA won’t trade Kaman .. the more realistic trade is Granger, something else, and our 1st round draft pick for Eric Gordon and Okafor … we would have to take on a bad contract (Okafor like 12 million a year for a few more years) and probably give up another asset. Remember the league still owns the Hornets and they have to make them profitable with the assets, SO if we wanna do business with them we’ll have to probably get the “lesser” deal still. Keep in mind Eric Gordon is their center-piece player, and I wouldn’t even do granger for gordon straight up.
What it would probably look like is IND: Eric Gordon, Okafor NOLA: Granger, Stevenson, and a 1st
In response
1) Yes, the only way we do Nash trade is if we extend him. Not giving up DC for a rental.
2) I agree that your trade is probably more realistic, only because it allows NOLA to get rid of a bad contract. I don’t know why they wouldn’t trade Kaman though. You think they’ll resign him? If not, he’s just an expiring. Maybe we work a three teamer with someone who covets the expiring contract and can give youth/pick to NOLA. We could throw team 3 Jones or something. I agree that the NBA-run Hornets need to get assets, but they would get a big time player for the foreseeable future and money coming off the cap along with another young asset (whoever they take with our pick).
Very well written.
I would do the Nash trade if he is extended for no more than $10 M per year (2 years).
I agree throwing Okafor would make the deal much more likely to happen for EG. Would like to see everything in this post happen.
I'm just saying ...
I’m trying to think like NOLA in this situation … would I trade DG for Gordon straight up? NO …. would I trade DG and our 1st round pic for 2012 for Gordon? NO he’s the centerpiece we got back in the Chris Paul trade. Would I trade DG, our 1st, and a legit 3rd piece for Gordon and our worst contract? Maybe but the third piece would have to worth it to me … Dahntay Jones isn’t that third piece unfortunately … Am I looking for Lou Amundson as an expiring contract? No there are a ton of people who wanna leave NOLA not stay there … NOLA is like us they have to trade for players to get em to stay there … That third piece to me is probably Stephenson …. If we do DG, stephenson, and a 1st for Gordon and Okafor we’d have a lineup like below:
PG: Collison, Hill, Price
SG: Gordon, Hill
SF: George, Jones
PF: West, Hansbrough, Amundson, and Pendergraph
C: HIbbert, Okafor, Foster
Our biggest need would then be PG in my opinion. Here is be getting a dominant PG in this situation :)
Not thanks.
I’m not a fan of any of those trades. Nash would be 40 years old by the end of a two year contract extension. That’s insane. He still might be fairly effective, but I’d rather stay young, cheap and hope for the best.
Same with Gordon. I like him, want him to do well, would love him to be a Pacer. But, if he wants to be a Pacer, then he won’t sign his QA and he’ll hit the market. I know that’s a bit juvinille, but I really don’t feel like he’s worth trading valuable assets for and then giving near max money to. He’s an undersized, injury prone SG with a very good offensive game and a limited defensive game.
I wouldn’t like the direct of the team if they were willing to trade a young, dynamic, if not somwhat imprefect, scoring point for a soon to be overpaid, 38 year old former all-star that’s never played a lick of defense and is clearly and steadily declining in his late 30’s.
Gordon isn’t that much better than Danny, in fact, he may not be any better at all. And nothing I’ve seen so far has me convinced that we won’t be picking near the top half of the draft again this year and this is going to be a good draft. I’d rather have the pick and keep Danny or move him for something cheaper and versatile than a smallish, oft-injured hometown kid.
peac.e
well....
I will concede the Nash trade is 50/50 and might not be worth the squeeze. The Gordon trade I totally disagree with you. Yes, he has been injury prone, BUT he’s 5 years younger, scores more than Granger, passes better, and will be an all-star in the future. IF Granger was the equivalent or better than Gordon, we could get Gordon straight up. NO GM in the league would do that. Danny Granger’s days as an all-star are probably over based on a few things 1) He is ONLY a jump shooter now who refuses to drive to the basket 2) below average passer 3) TOs 4) dribbles too much 5) stalls the offense based on his selfishness on offense 6) takes horrible shots routinely … The two negatives with Gordon are injury prone and lack of defense … You can coach up the second thing and improve this with a “change of philosophy.” With Gordon we can also move George to the 3 and get the SG we have coveted.
by actionjack853 on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Granger for Gordon wasn't ever a question.
I know they wouldn’t do that. Which is all the more reason not to waste effort chasing him.
Also, Danny is getting in the lane all the time lately…problem is, he isn’t doing all that well when he gets there.
Also, also, Gordon is out for two more weeks…..no thanks.
peac.e
I think
We’d have a hard time getting Gordon from NO. Face it, Granger just isn’t that attractive of a trade piece, and he’s not nearly as valuable as Gordon. Gordon might easily be the second best SG in the country.
I don’t know what it would take to trade him, but I’m assuming NO feeling they might lose Gordon in free agency is the only way, and even that wouldn’t happen for another year as he’s restricted this year.
crazy short term idea.
I think we might benefit from moving DG to the bench, move george to SF and put Hill at SG. Cant be any worse than what the looked like last night and might give Danny a boost to get with the program.
Could work.
Might be worth a shot sticking him on the bench until he buys into the pass-first mentality. Danny’s shot selection hasn’t been ideal in the first 6 games, but it hasn’t been awful, either. That said, the times where people have been pulling their hair out with his drive-into-the-lane-and-throw-the-ball-at-the-rim plays are completely justified. Until he stops doing that, I’d say toss him on the bench.
+1
Granger should be benched and then be 2nd or 3rd substitution, never the 1st in (I had wrongly said so in another post)… the guy needs team play drilled into his thick head!
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 5, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dramatic...
…could backfire. But, he’s not playing the kind of ball we need him to play. We could really use a little more aggressive/effective scorer in our second unit. I think Danny would have a hard time making the move. But, if he really wants to do what’s right for the team, I think we could make a pretty strong arguement for it.
peac.e
will never happen and damages any value DG has for trade value
by actionjack853 on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
None
I don’t believe Danny has any trade value now the way it is.
He's got trade value.
He’s still better than all but, 20-25 wings in the league. A shooting slump doesn’t render him worthless. Just don’t expect an all-star or a high lotto pick in return.
And, I’d say it’s way too early in the season to worry about his trade value. We can’t give up on what we’ve built this early in the season. I’m not expecting GREAT things, but I’m optimistic that I’ll enjoy watching this team come May. And as someone who would love the Pacers to just focus on building through the draft and saving money and collecting more picks…I know that some improvement will move us further from that direction…and further into win now mode. But, as long as we don’t trade away any picks for overpaid role players and/or OVERPAY role players…I’m becoming more and more excited with what we have going on. A focused Danny Granger is very much a part of that.
But, I really think we have enough to look forward to with this group that very few, if any trade options will be worth pursuing anytime before the summer of 2012.
peac.e
I am very high on this team as well.
I am not a Granger hater nor do I think he should be traded for the sake of trading. I think that some time spent watch what Vogal expects of him and not what he is used to would do him good. You could see it last night. The first quarter was very stagnet but I think after some of the starters watched the second unit run the offense and play with energy (Thank goodness Foster is back) they really played like they are supposed to in the 2nd half.
If Granger is traded to the Hornets
I’d rather have one of THERE first rounders, in this “deep” draft
by Lankford 4 President on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 PM EST reply actions
Of course not now
that hes averaging 15 a night on 30% shooting
by Lankford 4 President on Jan 7, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions

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