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Beyond Kindergarten Concepts: The Quest For Offensive Identity


The Pacers moved the ball last night far better than at any other point in their five game warm-up against the dregs of the East. Now that we know winning ugly is an option, it's time to get greedy for some pretty play at the offensive end. It's going to be needed against the likes of the Heat.

As Vogel said last night, sharing the ball is Step One. The NBA is experiencing a revival in large part because it has moved beyond the preschooler selfishness of the early aughts Iverson/Carter/McGrady iso-ball clearouts night after night; witness the Heat giving away games in last year's Finals when they became a stop-and-jumpshoot team.

So let's assume that some amount of passing is simply good basketball. Let's take off our all-knowing GM caps for a moment and put on that of the genius on-court tactician. How should these Pacers play, to play their best?

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Alas, I don't have any play-by-play efficiency numbers available-a Synergy membership is out of the question and Google's not cooperating. (If anyone can clue me in on how to get super-specific stats, it'd be much appreciated).

The most obvious fix in offensive efficiency is keeping Dahntay Jones far from the ball, unless he's very close to the rim. Already above it and ready to grab a lob is best.

My nagging thought, watching this team these first few games, is that they could benefit from implementing some triangle principles. Not that I, or any other fan unpaid for analysis, really has a clue what the Triangle is, but it seems that a group as good at passing and as flexible as this one this could pick up some useful pointers from Brian Shaw and his experience playing and coaching under Phil Jackson.

Hibbert screening for a cutting Collison, as Granger and West hold their men close on the weak side and George looks for the open man. Yes, please.

The famous thing that's said about the triangle is that you don't need a great point guard to run it. Darren Collison is a creative offensive player in the open court, but I don't think he's got the quick release on that 3 to be a Nash-quality PNR guy (not that many are). Get him running baseline to open space, though, and he's been sticking the open shots.

Hill looks far more comfortable on that 40-foot-out PNR, veering off at strange angles to get the defense spread, but they've either been running it with Hansbrough (who is not a player who likes easy shots) or Hibbert, who can't get to the rim quick enough from that far out. I'd be interested to see if they run PNR with Hill closer in on the wing if he can get into the lane and create for others, as in this discussion of James Harden's offensive game. Hill has been the one guy that's looked comfortable creating his own shot off the dribble so far, which gives hope that maybe the IUPUI scorer is still in there somewhere, waiting to break out.

I'm interested to hear your overthinking opinions on the Pacers offense.

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just need time to gell as a unit

the Pacers will be hot and cold on offense during the first half of the season as it’ll take a bit for their offense to come together. But when it does, it’ll come from some or all of the 6 players (nearly 7 with Hill off by 1 point) who are already averaging double digits points- despite some poor shooting percentages. I’d say that is the recipe for offensive success- being able to go 7 scorers deep, most who can play some good D too. And for you Stephenson lovers, 8 deep if he ever gets Jone’s minutes- which I don’t think is necessary as the hard nosed, D minded veteran is playing well in the swing spot.

by northeast nightmare on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Yes.

I think Dahntey is playing quite well. He’s doesn’t need more minutes, or more touches, but he’s doing just fine in his current role from what I’ve seen. In fact, aside from when he’s been asked to take over scoring for too long of time periods, I think he’s always done well for us. He seems to get these little 3 – 4 minute hot spurts late in the 3rd quarter or in the middle of the 4th.

He had a real nice game against NJ…I find it odd that the OP would even bring up keeping Jones out of the offense as a key to winning.

As for the ball movement, I’ve been saying it for a long time now. Bad things can happen when you pass the ball, especially if you aren’t paying attention or make lazy passes, but for the most part, on a team full of solid players that ALL struggle to consistently create their own offense…pass to the open man!!!!

It’s frustrating b/c it’s clearly been effective 99% of the time when they seem to focus on it. When guys stop moving and/or a player gets the ball and has that “I’m going to take this one” mentality (and you can see it in their eyes most of the time, especially Collison, Granger, Hansbrough and Hill)….that stuff has led to some pretty ugly stretches of basketball on the offensive end.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones is a ballstopper

and there’s no lineup in which he should be anything higher than the 4th scoring option (as you both note). That’s all I was saying.

If Granger & George, especially, can get to a point where they stop in the middle of the lane instead of going straight for the rack, that should help flow considerably.

by Slowka on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

The problem with the offense, at least on the second unit, is that Jones and Hansbrough are both ballstoppers. They don’t pass, they throw shots at the rim, and it all comes to a standstill.

by TheHawk5 on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you could throw Hill in there too at this point...

…especially since he’s the Point man1 gaurd when Collison is on the bench.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 5, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

We will use

our top secret plays against the Heat. We will win by more than 50 points.

by denggoy7 on Jan 4, 2012 2:49 AM EST reply actions  

Break Lebron's legs?

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 4, 2012 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

this is difficult.

lebron is built like a linebacker. i have something easier and more realistic.

breaking his spirit. it has been done before many times over.

kidding aside, hope george and granger are ready for the dynamic duo, lebron and wade. wade is batman and lebron is….well…. put george on lebron and granger on wade. hope collison is ready for coles. kid can play.

by denggoy7 on Jan 4, 2012 4:57 AM EST up reply actions  

then, if it's a close game,

switch george on wade the last 5 minutes.

by denggoy7 on Jan 4, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Go 21-21 in a quarter? With McRobert’s off the team, we should be able to do that.

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by Sparhawk on Jan 4, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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