Should Pacers Give First Rounder for Mayo?
by RVANDY9 on Jan 25, 2012 5:31 PM EST
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I'm back! Just returned to my RV and wanted to see what people thought of maybe giving up our 1st Rounder for O.J. Mayo? I know, it can be alot, but at the rate this team is playing (pretty darn good), we won't get a great pick anyway, so why not trade and get a much better proven player than take a chance on the draft this year. He would be a great scorer coming off the bench, which for most games, is definitely needed? That way, we dont' have to even think about giving up DG. He seems to be catching on to the fact that he doesn't have to carry the load of scoring for this team anymore. He made several nice plays in last night's defeat. Think the Pacers were just tired from their west coast trip.They are a much better team than they showed last nite. Hopefully, they'll at least break even during the next 7 big games. Positive enough story? Hope so. Go PACERS....................
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Plus I don’t think they’d trade him. And I don’t feel like renting a player who isn’t going to put us into title consideration, especially in a shortened season where we’d only get him for like 40 games. But to RVAndy’s credit, I was thinking the same thing last night mid third quarter…
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Good Point
You are right about this years draft. I think even without a lottery pick there will be plenty of talent all the way through the 1st round.So I agree with you and disagree with rvandy9 about a late 1st round pick. Also I think Mayo would keep us from developing our younger talent so our bench can be more productive. They just need playing time.
For an average 6th man....
…who is going to have to be resigned.
If they could get a 1st rounder for him, they’d do it….except, they probably won’t make any moves like that if they are still in reach of the playoffs come the deadline b/c if they get Randolph back 100%, they want to make another run.
peac.e
i'm all in favor of getting mayo but it depends on their asking price.
if they asked for any of our top 7 players plus our 2012 1st, my answer is no.
I bet
IDK…..We gotta have somebody that can play some ball b/c right now its only Roy with a broken nose and maybe West. I’d love to move up the draft and get Robinson from Kansas…..BOOM!!!
Theres are back up forward of the future and maybe eventually a starter w/ paul George……The guy is sensational. As for your question….Right now i trade Tyler for OJ. Let Pendargraff develope off the bench as a hard nose defender.
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by rockguyinindy on Jan 25, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
If I were forced to trade any of our top 7,
Tyler would be it but right now I am not sure I want to do it. I would like to add more talent and not swap talents as of now.
Not sure about league rules on trading players for cash but with our cap space and roster spot, maybe we can make it work. I understand Memphis wants to do a cash dump anyway or maybe we can add a 3rd team.
Is Tyler in our top 7?
I’d say almost. Right now.
A healthy Foster? Then Tyler is 8th…and probably tied for 8th best player on the team with eeeek….D.Jones. And I could see Lance passing both them by season’s end. I doubt, and I hope not. As I said in a very long and poorly recieved Fanpost, Tyler’s play may end up being the key between 2012 being only slightly better than 2011 or MUCH better than 2011 for the Pacers down the stretch and in the post season.
peac.e
You have to understand the whole picture.
Memphis said that they would trade Mayo for a first rounder in next years draft. That’s all they’re asking. However, I believe they said they wanted a 1-7 first round pick, so that doesn’t seem like a boat we’ll be in.
A top 7 pick would be too much.
Players who will be drafted in those spots would be better than mayo in about a year. Too much for me but like you said, we will not be on that boat anyway.
This would be a very, very stupid idea.
Is he really much better than Hill? I don’t think so. We’d have to try to figure out how to fit in our rotation with virtually no time to practice.
So, we are really just trading a 1st rounder for his Bird rights. If he plays pretty well, then we have to spend a good chunk of change to resign him. There’s no way we could keep Hill AND Mayo, and resign Hibbert and Collison next season without dumping Granger or West or just not adding any more pieces.
I think in the top 25 of this draft we can get a player that fits our needs just as well as Mayo for about 25% of the salary we’d have to give Mayo over the next couple years. We have to be smart. As well as Bird has drafted (easy B+ grade if you accept his 3 year plan and the fact that he went for proven, low risk picks), there’s no reason to think we can’t get solid value in this draft in the mid-20s and that’s a cheap player for the next four years while we will have little money to spend acquiring free agents if we keep most of our core together.
Hold the Mayo please. We are on a diet.
peac.e
Meant to add this....
…I wonder if D.Jones will opt out. Hoopshype says his 2.9mil. is a player option. I don’t think he’ll get much more than that on the open market, but I could see him getting twice that spread out over 2 or 3 years and wanting to go ahead and get his money in.
If that were to happen. But, I think if the salary cap rule regarding how unsigned Bird rights players coming off their rookie contract count against the cap (200% of previous years contract) then if we could ink Mayo BEFORE we sign Hill and Hibbert, we should be WAY under the cap. Roy will count about $5.2mil. and Hill $4.1mil. until they sign, I think if the rule is the same and I understand it correctly. So, even if Jones doesn’t come off the books, counting our $1.something mil. allocated to our unsigned 2012 rookie and the MLE (which used to count against the cap until it was used or renounced)…with all that included, we should be sitting right around $50mil. before Roy and George sign…that should still leave us enough space to go after Mayo if we really want him. And who knows. If it’s the best they can get, they might take Jones in a sign and trade if he doesn’t opt out.
peac.e
Damn...I gotta proof read.
Does that make sense? It think it’s good stuff to talk about, but my sentence structure disintegrated under the complexity of trying to explain all the caveats of the CBA. And that was based on the last CBA. Anyone understand that last reply? Anyone know if any of those rules changed in the new CBA?
peac.e
NO
Mayo’s not some cheap combo guard 6th man on a rookie deal anymore. I’m also sick of the Mayo talk, especially since he’s really not all that good. Mayo doesn’t get hyped as the next Kobe or whatever and get traded for Kevin Love his 12/3 ass is just another player.
Besides, where the hell’s he gonna play? We need a legit wing, not another undersized 2.
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Why on earth would we do this.
The more I think about it, the more I think it’s more than a bad idea. It’s a horrible idea.
Mayo isn’t any better than Hill…he might not be AS good as Hill. So we trade our 1st round pick to diminish the minutes of two solid 6th men and either demote one to irrelivence or not use either the way they should be….then we have to figure out which one to resign.
Also, we then don’t have a likely solid rotational player on a dirt cheap four year contract (our 2012 pick).
How does this help us?
peac.e
You almost lost me at
Mayo is’nt any better than Hill..I bet the Legend would disagree, but what does he know?
Assuming Larry keeps another one of his promises; Best Bench in Basketball; one of those solid 6th men you refer to would actually be our starter with the other backing him up. Paul moving to his “natural” postion on the BBB Team.
Enough with the solid rotational dirt cheap contract players.
The time to live TAX luxuriously is NOW!!!
Did you watch tonights game?
I’m all for luxury tax spending when we’ve got the team in place to justify it. And I think we are getting there. But, Mayo? He’s not the one to get us there. Here’s some facts (sprinkled with opinion) that we need to consider.
1. Mayo’s Bird rights will count $11.4 million against the cap until he signs…and I don’t think there’s any gaurantee he’d sign here.
2. Paul George’s natural position is a starting wing. He’s making progress and I fully expect him to be top 15 or 20 perimeter players in the league in a year or two…at which point we’ll need to pay him a bunch of money I don’t want tied up in a guy like Mayo.
3. The top 20-24 players in this years draft will help this team and almost all have a pretty good chance to be as good or better than Mayo. I know that’s all speculation, but you are speculating that Mayo will come in and…what? Win us a championship. For a 1/5 of the price I’ll take my chances on the strong rookie class.
4. Hill is about as good as Mayo. If OJ played as good on defense as he should be capable of then it wouldn’t be that close. As it, neither can sufficiently guard 6’6"+ G/Fs in the post, but at least Hill gives effort and can guard most average Point gaurds better than Mayo. If you look at their stats…Mayo really isn’t that much better.
To be honest, if I somehow knew that we’d be pickin outside of the top 22 or 23 picks this summer (with some luck and good health we shouldn’t be) then I’d make the deal for Mayo and be mostly ok with it. I don’t know that Memphis would take a top 22 protected pick.
Also, aren’t you a big Lance Stephenson backer? Why bother with Mayo if we have our 6th man/starter already on the team.
Mayo + curent Pacers – Hill (we couldn’t/wouldn’t resign both) – 2012 1st round pick solid rotation player = Pretty much the same team we have now with less cap space.
Again. No thank you.
Now, if Hill gets a bigger deal than he deserves somewhere else before Mayo is signed, or Mayo signes here for less than $7mil. per season….lets sign him this summer. I’m much more ok with that than throwing Eric Gordon a max deal.
peac.e
Win a Championship?
1. Larrys right on Mayo
2. Thats what Team Option contracts are for.
3. Exceedingly speculative.
4. Not by much, but indeed better.
Indeed a huge Lance Stephenson backer, but I think he plays PG.
1. Nice meaningless pun.
We would be capped out this summer if we acquired Mayo via trade…until we resign him.
The cap hold for our RFA would be:
Mayo- $11.4mil.
Hibbert- $5.2mil.
Hill- $4.1mil.
Why should we trade for him when we will have more cap space without having his Bird rights this summer and we can just sign him then? Have you seen our big man rotation? Mayo for the remainder of 2012 isn’t going to get us to the title game. Lou freaking Amundson is getting big minutes with us. Why make a stupid desperation trade, that essentially relinquishes Hill to backup point gaurd only minutes, reduces Paul George’s minutes/development, throws away a useful 1st round pick, and reduces our cap space in the early free agency period?
Not smart.
peac.e
Question: Should Pacers Give First Rounder for Mayo?
Feel free to add method of trade, # of teams involved & imaginary time-line if you’d like and if it’ll help.
I'm going to say no. Like I said above.
But, if they’d take it, a top 24 protected 2012 (lotto protected in 2013 and 2014)….yeah. I’d probably do that. Would’ve like to do it before the deadline to extend so we could lower that early offseason cap hold. I’m sure you don’t think Mayo will command $11.4mil. on the open market this summer.
I’d rather do this though if they’d take it:
D.Jones, Amundson, and two 2nd rounders for Mayo….which there is no realistic way they’d go for that. On the surface you could make an arguement for it though. They need cheap players for the future to fill out the end of their lineup (the 2nd rounders), and they could use another big man (though Amundson clearly doesn’t belong in the NBA), and D.Jones would ease the pain of losing Mayo ever so slightly.
But, I think, if they’d want a 1st rounder so lightly protected (2012 lotto or top 10 protected) that it’d be a lock to transfer…then no trade.
I’m not saying I don’t want Mayo, but if we can sign him in the offseason and it’s going to cost a 1st rounder in a draft wth 20+ legit NBA players then I’m going to wait to sign him this summer. Having him now, with our thin, weak a$$ front court isn’t going to make enough difference to lose such a valuable asset as our 1st rounder for a 40 game rental of Mayo.
peac.e
Heres Hoping
Hibbert doesn’t command that much.
I just bumped my beer bottle against my computer screen...
…here’s to that.
I think we’ll actually get a better deal for him this off-season than we would’ve paying what we needed to to get his agent to agree to an extension the way he was playing so far. Sadly, that also probably means he’s going to level/trail off and become just a noticeable upgrade over 2011 Roy; versus what we’ve seen so far which is like a totally different player.
peac.e
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