Hibbert, Pacers Not Worrying About Contract Status
by Tom Lewis on Jan 23, 2012 5:00 PM EST
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PrintWhether you like it or not, it appears Roy Hibbert won't agree to a contract extension with the Indiana Pacers by Wednesday's deadline the 2008 draft pick to sign an extension before becoming a restricted free agent this summer.
There is no harm in letting Hibbert become a restricted free agent since the Pacers can match any offer the market bears much like Denver did this past summer with Nene. But based on panicky emails I've received and comments on various threads over the past few weeks, fans are stressing Roy's contract more than Roy himself. As the big fella told Mike Wells last week, he's just letting the process play itself out.
"My personal gut feeling is that we'll do something in the summer, because the max guys are the ones that get extensions right away," Hibbert said. "I'm just going to follow my agent's lead."
Hibbert's agent David "The Bird of Prey" Falk, commented on Roy's contract status on Monday after Roy showed his value to the Pacers in their win over the Los Angeles Lakers.
"There's no rush," Falk said. "I think it's unlikely that we'll come to agreement this week. It doesn't mean in any way that he's not happy in Indiana. ... We've had very friendly discussions, and both sides recognize that the discussion is probably premature."
So while you shouldn't expect to hear about a contract extension by Wednesday, I would encourage those expecting the worst to consider Hibbert's situation with the Pacers both sides work toward an extension. Assuming Hibbert maintains the reliable role he's played thus far this season, making a hefty raise almost a given at this point, a deal will happen to keep Roy around.
I honestly would've shuddered at the thought of offering Hibbert more than $10 mil/yr prior to the season, but now something in the $12-$13 mil/yr range seems plausible. Even Hibbert admits he's not a max deal guy, so please don't get carried away. But he has shown how valuable a big guy with a reliable jump hook can be in the league and will likely get what he deserves.
Remember too, though that Hibbert also values what he has with the Pacers right now. Chasing the highest bidder doesn't make sense if the leadership situation is unknown. Hibbert knows this all too well after struggling physically and mentally to work under Jim O'Brien. So it appears that it is in the best interest of the Pacers and Hibbert to stick together as they both seem to have turned the corner to a more promising future.
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“Even Hibbert admits he’s not a max deal guy, so please don’t get carried away.”
“I’m just going to follow my agent’s lead.”
“David Falk”
Those three things don’t go together. Yes, there is harm in letting him become a restricted free agent… his price will get driven up even more by some overzealous owner.
What is the max these days anyway? Bc it woudln’t surprise me if Roy got 15 per
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Of course Hibbert would "admit" that...
He’s humble. That max deal you’re worried about is exactly why the Pacers should go ahead and give him the $12 now and call it a bargain, but unfortunately it’s not up to him, it’s his agent. I’d be fine with $13 maybe, but last week I was hoping for $10. What worries me is that next week he’ll be worth $16…
For every broken nose he plays with, he gets a little more attractive to not just us, but everyone else. I hate to say this, but I kind of hope Dwight Howard beast modes him tomorrow and he “settles” for $12 mil (and we still win, of course).
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One game is not going devalue him...
…I can’t imagine. He’s playing really well. I actually think that with the way he’s playing now, we’d have to offer him max money to extend him before Wednesday. I actually don’t think he’ll be able to keep this pace, or at least I can’t imagine he’ll continue to improve the way he has.
As recently as two or three weeks ago I was saying $10mil. would be overspending and b/c I like him so much, I’d consider paying that, but wouldn’t like it. Now, $12-13 seems more realistic. If he can play 30+ minutes a game and remain this effective (shooting well over 50%, passing well, playing good defense, rebounding well…and of course helping us win)….we might have to go max.
The good news is that he still doesn’t really pass the eye test when you think of a max deal player. Teams would have to tie up all of their available money to offer him a sheet that we will likely match. If we end up overpaying it will probably be b/c a team offers more than they are willing to just to force our hand witha max deal. Otherwise, we are likely bidding against ourselves and can probably get him for close to what we feel is fair.
I think we’ll get a better deal by waiting at this point.
I’d begrudgingly be ok with like $68mil. over 5 years, with a descending contract (starting around $14.5mil. and going down a half mil. each year. I don’t think we are going to be able to do anything to really add a ton of talent. We are pretty much just going to have to cross our fingers with late draft picks and re-sign our guys (and that probably only includes one, at most between West and Danny…and maybe neither).
peac.e
At this point,
I would have Hibbert’s child if it would keep him in Indy at a reasonable price (I’d pay 12 million per year in a heartbeat), last night was just that impressive. However, since I don’t have the requisite equipment this offer (threat?) is an empty one.
I simply worry that we’re going to get driven upwards by Hibbert’s agent and/or a bidding war and be unable to keep everyone together/add another piece if necessary.
Print It.
If the worst thing that happens is we pay Hibbert the max deal (or close to it) and he's not worth it, that's not that bad
It will probably mean not paying Hansbrough or Collison big deals, or salary dumping Granger at some point. But those are both possibilities as it stands. If Hibbert proves worth $13, and we pay $16, that’s not a travesty cap-wise. It will suck up some cap space for other guys, but we’re only paying him $16 if he’s worth $13 (given your bidding war scenario) and I’d LOVE for Hibbert to prove to me this year that he’s worth $13. That makes him untouchable.
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is it even possible that
both parties don’t want to make a deal as of the moment because roy wants to test the market and get overpaid in the summer while the pacers management want to see whether they can sign dwight howard instead albeit this is highly improbable.
I doubt it.
I don’t think they Pacers have any delussions of getting Dwight.
I also think that Roy wants to prove he’s worth what we are about to sign him for. That may seem niave on the surface, and I’m not saying it as if Roy is that highminded. I just think he believes that we aren’t going to give him now what he may be worth in July and we are putting alot of stock in this season and will be happy to pay him more if he earns it this season…especially in the playoffs.
peac.e
Hibbert may not think he is a max guy,...
But it only takes one idiot and god knows that there are a few. i.e. James Dolan
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 23, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
not sure if ny has cap space for next season but
i am more afraid of boston and orlando. danny ainge has proven before he is not afraid to overpay any player he wants and orlando defenitely wants someone to replace howard and hibbert could be the next best thing to howard.
I know new York does not have the cap space.
I’m just using mr. Dolan as an example of an overspending idiot.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 23, 2012 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was a big issue with the owners in the lockout,
too many guys getting max deals who weren’t worthy. We’ll see if they can resist the urge to go down that path again…I won’t be holding my breath.
well
If this last offseason is any indication, only pacers seemed to learn anything. T. Chandler got overpaid. Nene got overpaid. It doesn’t look real great.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm most worried about Washington
Hibbert’s home town, and I think they’ll have lots of cap space.
Boston is also a threat.
Pujols
It’s always about the money. As a STL resident, I know this all too well. Once he hits the open market, anything can happen. At least we can match in this situation.
Matching is the key.
Pujols is one of the best players ever (I don’t follow baseball, but that seems to be the consensus) and there’s no cap in Baseball.
Hibbert is proving to be a really great player and a great guy, but I just don’t think that any team out there is really saying, “we will pay this player as much as we can to have.” If there’s anyone that is saying that, it is us. So, we just need to play it smart, remember that we have the upper hand and let him test the waters. At this point, the only way he “settles” for an extension is if it IS for max money.
peac.e
At least for this Team
Max is determined by how much money your best player makes.
At an average of $13.5 million per, the ceiling is set.
48 hrs is sufficient time to settle on a number lower then that.
Waiting until the summer will not change a thing.
Danny Granger will still be our best player and $13.5 million will still be the ceiling.
What the hell are you talking about?
“max” is in no way determined by a team’s highest paid player’s salary. It’s determined by the CBA. His market value will be determined by other teams’ willingness to pay him a max deal. Offering him less than $13 mil now will not accomplish anything. The only deal he’s guaranteed to sign now is a max or near max deal, and it’s not in our best interests to offer to extend him at that price this early.
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You must've missed the
at least for this Team part.
“Offering him less than $13 mil now will not accomplish anything” – Unless he agrees..NO?
No, your post just didn't make any sense
Your logic:
Danny Granger is our best player————→Danny Granger is the highest paid player—————>Danny Granger’s salary dictates how much we will be willing to pay anyone—————→We won’t match a max offer to Hibbert.
Notice how very little of that follows?
And he won’t agree to a deal under $13 if his agent is telling him to wait until the off-season. That would be dumb on his part. I mean, it’d be like a nice movie moment where the athlete stays loyal to his fans and fires his greedy agent on the spot, but that ain’t life, and his agent would probably spin your low-ball offer as insulting. We have no choice but to wait and make the call to match or not, later.
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DOLLARS &
Danny Granger is or best player – Correct!
Danny Granger is the highest paid player – Correct!
Danny Granger’s salary SHOULD dictate how much we will be willing to pay anyone – Correct.
We won’t match a max offer ($15+million) to Hibbert – Hopefully Not!
SENSE!!!
There's quite a bit wrong with that
There’s subjectivity in saying Danny Granger is our best player, but I’ll give you that. It doesn’t matter that he is, it just doesn’t logically follow that teams pay their best players the most. They should, but they don’t. It’s even more of a leap to say that because Danny Granger makes amount X (which is closer to a modern day max by the last year of his contract) that we will never pay another player, better or worse than him, more than amount X. Do you understand how that works? Granger’s salary is completely separate and irrelevant to how much the Pacers offer future free agents. It’s not like he has some clause in his contract that says he has to be the highest paid player on the team, nor is their a clause in the CBA that a team has to pay the player the most, who is generally considered “the best.”
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UNDERSTOOD!
Other Teams may not pay their best players the most money, but on this Team they do.
UNDERSTAND?
Apparently you've never heard of...
Troy Murphy. Or Jermaine O’Neal his last two years here.
Seriously though, I wish you were in charge of our team because I think we SHOULD pay our best player the most. That’s not the case with Hibbert. It won’t be because he’s unique. As we saw this off-season, 7 foot center-capable players with skills are overpaid. In the dream scenario he takes less, but if he comes out making more per year than DG, that will shock no one. He’s younger. His skill set is harder to replicate. He’s got more upside. He’s more of a fan-favorite. None of that have anything to do with me hating Danny, or me thinking Danny sucks. It just is what it is, and we have to wait for the summer to figure it out. Just have to.
As for me “understanding” your point, you made yourself clear. I was just trying to convince you to craft a more logical and linear argument.
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CONVINCED!
Logical & linear from this point forward..
mocing = moving
get an edit button already SB Nation
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Yes, please.
I have $47 in my wallet. I’d give it to him right now if he’d extend. Anyone else wanna chip in?
Umm...
…. just to clarify, that was in no way sexual. I would personally pay to extend his contract, nothing else.
uh huh...
sure…
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
On a side note
The Magic just got slaughtered by the celtics.
by Shank Williams Jr on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
87-56
and a Rondo and Allen-less Celtics at that. 30 point blowout, Doc still only gives JaJuan Johnson 4 minutes
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