IC Cold Links: Pacers Toughen Up To Beat Lakers
by Tom Lewis on Jan 23, 2012 9:30 AM EST
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PrintRoy Hibbert led the charge in the Indiana Pacers' win over the Los Angeles Lakers on Sunday night, but the team as a whole showed their toughness and resolve throughout the game. First they battled their way back into the game after a horrible start and then kept pressuring the Lakers until they finally blinked in the last two minutes and couldn't score to close out the win.
The Pacers have a nice little reputation building and a game like this adds to the annoying feeling opponents will get when they see the Pacers up next on their schedule. But again, Hibbert personified toughness and it was duly noted. Check out what Chris Sheridan has to say about Roy's effort on Sunday.
Definition of a winner: A guy who gets his nose broken (as he is called for a foul), retreats to the locker room, has the trainer stuff cotton up his nostrils, breathes through his mouth the rest of the evening and then makes the big plays down the stretch.
For all the breathtaking moments we've already seen at the Staples Center through the first 4 weeks of the NBA season, what Roy Hibbert did Sunday night for the Indiana Pacers ranks right up there, quality wise, with any of Blake Griffin's dunks, Chris Paul's passes or Kobe Bryant's scoring outbursts.
Check out the rest of the links after the jump.
- Box score: Pacers 98, Lakers 96
- Hoopdata Advanced Box Score - Indiana Pacers vs Los Angeles Lakers 1/22/2012
- PACERS: Rewind: Pacers vs. Lakers
- Pacers' Hibbert gets nose broken in victory over Lakers | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
- Pacers notebook: Lakers' McRoberts feels insulted | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
- Pacers continue to show toughness | Pacers Insider | The Indianapolis Star | IndyStar.com
- Hibbert leads Pacers past Lakers, 98-96 - NBA - AP
- Pacers 98, Lakers 96 (final) - latimes.com
- Lakers continue scoring drought in 98-96 loss to Pacers - latimes.com
- Lakers 96, Pacers 98: Open 24/7! (We Never Close) - Silver Screen and Roll
- Los Angeles Lakers' losses fuel frustrations - ESPN Los Angeles
- Pacers show fight, Lakers don’t and roll over again in loss | ProBasketballTalk
- Post-Game Grades: Pacers Beat the Lakers in LA | Eight Points, Nine Seconds
- Former Lakers assistant Brian Shaw isn't dwelling on the past - latimes.com
- Eric Gordon says he is open to an extended stay with New Orleans Hornets, who must decide if he fits into their plans | NOLA.com
- Hibbert shakes off broken nose to lead Pacers over Lakers - sheridanhoops.com
- NBA Scores And More: Kobe Bryant, Lakers Come Up Short, Paul Pierce Takes Over, Heat Lose To Bucks - SBNation.com
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Can't wait
to really see what this team is made of with two tough games coming up.
It wasn't Willis Reed level toughness
But it was close to Danny Granger broken grill level toughness. I think it’s time for people like me to accept that Big Roy is worth overpaying. $12+ mil a year, as many have said, is probably what it’s going to take. Keep in mind, this is a good $5 mil per year more than I thought he was going to be worth, and it’s eventually probably going to make long-termming either George Hill (this summer), Darren Collison or Tyler Hansbrough (both next summer) harder to do. Oh well. Hibbert is actually special. I was skeptical that he’d turn the corner, and technically he still hasn’t, but it’s clear he’s got the work ethic to do just about anything he wants, and it’s clear he wants to be here. I’d even suggest overpaying him now.
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yes, but
As this season goes on, I am more and more okay with not long-terming Tyler. He has not looked good this year at all. Hopefully he finds that mid-range shot again, so he has something to pair with using his strength to barrel into the lane and opposing big, because right now teams just wait for him to drive and put up an ugly shot.
Print It.
Agreed!
I like Tyler Hansbrough. He is a winner. But any money that would go towards him should be thrown at Roy. We can find a replacement for Tyler, who is mainly an energy guy. We can’t find another Roy Hibbert, who means so much to this team, cares about the city, and really wants to be here.
by MillerTime31 on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Love Hansbrough, would really like to see him stay here long-term. But if the price is losing Hibbert, no.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
From a quick calculation...
Assuming a $60-62 million cap average from 2012-13 through 2014-15, we would need some cap friendly deals, but could preserve this core for the forseeable future.
Let’s say we win a #4 seed and the higher ups are happy with the growth, and want to keep things together. Here’s what would have to happen year-by-year:
Summer 2012:
- Extend George Hill for under $5 mil a year. I think he’s worth no more than $5 mil, especially if he’s not going to be a starter. From what we’re hearing, it sounds like they may get some sort of extension done before the deadline.
- Extend Roy Hibbert for between $12 and $13 mil a year.
- Sign two cheap ($1.5 million range) free agents.
- Sign both draft picks
- Sign Lance Stephenson to a short-term deal worth no more than $2 mil per year
Summer 2013:
- Sign West for $8.5 mil a year. This could be a 3-4 year deal for him to close out his career here. It would only work if he was still healthy and not looking for a “contender,” and rather wanted to turn Indiana into a one. This is obviously a better deal than he’ll likely find on the open market, given that he’ll be 33 or 34 at the time, and is similar to the deal he was playing for during his last year in NOR.
- Pick up Paul George’s player option. Assuming he continues to grow and stay healthy, this will be a no-brainer.
- Sign Hansbrough to a cap-friendly deal at between $5 and $6 mil a year. This seems fair for a backup.
- Sign Darren Collison to a cap-friendly deal at between $6 and $7 million a year. This is the wildcard. He’ll either be well-worth it or we’ll have to make cuts elsewhere to offer him more. If he’s not worth it, well, we should just cut ties with him. Best case scenario is he plays the way he has this year (under control, somewhat improved defense, better shot selection) for his entire Pacers career, and we can supplement his (to steal a term from Arian Foster) “anti-awesomeness” with George Hill and Lance Stephenson off the bench, like we have this year.
- Sign our draft picks
Summer 2014
- Re-sign Granger for an end-of-career deal for no more than $9 mil a year (or use that money to sign someone else, or absorb someone in a trade…or trade Granger for someone prior to this)
- Extend Paul George for a deal in the $9-10 mil per year range, assuming he’s worth it.
- Sign our draft picks
Obviously there are a lot of assumptions here, but it’s definitely doable to sign Hansbrough and keep this team together, if he, Hill, Collison and George all agree to cap-friendly deals. If they’re not worth it, that’s a different story all together. That’s what’s great about having all of this cap space.
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Great breakdown.
Tried doing this myself & failed miserably.
Looks not only promising but realistic.
Building a successful team will depend on monetary sacrifices made by our current players.
Fortunately, I believe most will be on board and the ones that aren’t will have to be replaced with ones that believe in putting the team first.
That light at the end of the tunnel? Blinding!!!
Everything looks good except with West...
Like you said, by then, he’s 33 and while he is a great leader, he won’t be worth $8.5 mil, especially with the PF position as loaded as it is in the NBA. Tyler may be ready to start, or we could draft or trade for another player (ie. Milsap) who could do what West does at a much cheaper price. We’re gonna have to make concessions, and PnR PFs are a dime a dozen.
We have to keep Roy (7’2 and skilled don’t grow on trees), Paul (6’10, quick, long, and willing defenders with untapped offense who are under 25 aren’t common either), and probably George (if he gives us the Hometown Discount). We can fill the other roles pretty easily, and maybe with more efficient players (I love you Danny, but where has your shot gone?).
I like West's presence as a vet...I think he's a winner
But you’re right, $8.5 is high for him, talent/production-wise. If it makes you feel better, you could envision that $8.5 mil as just “cap space.” Same with Danny’s $9 mil the following year. Those are jut my preferences, but they’re insignificant to the point, which is that we can maintain the young core financially if we can get a few decent breaks from our current guys (i.e. “the hometown discount”). I’d like to explore a final-year DG trade, but if that doesn’t work his last year doesn’t hamper us as much as many assume.
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where, pray tell, is Amundson on this list?
looks good but what are the final numbers and what is the roster list with how many open spots and cap space to sign the bottom third of the roster?
by northeast nightmare on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I included passing references to all players who would fill out the roster
I’m basically working on the roster breaking down thusly:
2012-13 (14 players, $58-$60 million committed)
Granger ($13.1), West ($10), Jones ($2.9), Hibbert ($12-13), P. George ($2.6), Hansbrough ($3), Hill ($4-5), Collison ($2.3), Stephenson ($1-2), Pendergraph ($0.9), 1st round rookie ($1-2), 2nd round rookie ($0.8), two free agents ($3 mil total)
2013-14 (14 players, $60-63 million committed)
Granger ($14), West ($8.5), Hibbert ($12-13), George ($3.3), Hansbrough ($5-6), Hill ($4-5), Collison ($6-7), Stephenson ($1-2), 2012 1st rounder ($2), 2012 2nd rounder ($0.8), 2013 1st rounder ($1-2), 2013 2nd rounder ($0.8), two free agents ($1-3 mil total)
2014-15 (15 players, $60-63 committed)
Granger ($9), West ($8.5), Hibbert ($12-13), George ($9), Hansbrough ($5-6), Hill ($4-5), Collison ($6-7), Stephenson/new backup PG ($1-2), 2012 1st rounder ($2.5), 2013 1st rounder ($2), 2013 2nd rounder ($0.8), 2014 1st rounder ($1-2), 2014 2nd rounder ($0.8) 1-2 free agents ($1-3 mil total)
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thanks
i didn’t want to do the math
by northeast nightmare on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I say cut our loses with stephenson . . .
Give that money to guys that actually PLAY!
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Yeah, really that's an insignificant difference
I’m not necessarily making an argument for Lance, rather than making an argument for getting an affordable backup point guard with upside
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I believe the Pacers have a team option on Lance for the next two years.
I could be wrong.
by MillerTime31 on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
years 3 and 4 are fully unguaranteed, each year becomes fully guaranteed if he’s still on the roster on July 15th. So if he’s on the roster this coming July 15th then 12/13 is guaranteed, and the same for July 15, 2013 and the 13/14 season.
"He's like Darth Vader." - Frank Vogel on Larry Bird
Signing Lance not necessary
I believe he’s a team option for the next 2 yrs, at under 1 million per.
This only just arrived on hoopshype.com, where I get all of my salary info
I thought they signed him to a two year, $1.6 million deal his rookie year, then all of a sudden he’s got two team options at a bargain. So I’m good with whatever.
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this could easily be a great fanpost
bird’s gonna draft Tyler Zeller, i know it
by MillerTime31 on Jan 23, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Cody.
In two years, of course.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Best hands in the country
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As long as its not a Max deal...
But I think Roy definitely deserves a Granger contract…
Peace, Love, and Healthy DWEST Knees...
Nooooo, EJ, don't sign an extension with New Orleans!
Come play for the Pacers where you belong.
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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions
Can't blame him for seeking his payday.
Hasn’t played five games with the Hornets and could get a lot of guaranteed Ca$h money.
by MillerTime31 on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hibbert is the man.
Although I do hate when players put up big numbers in a contract year, Roy has been improving each season. I never thought he would be this good, but a lack of quality bigs certainly helps.
I went to bed after the first quarter, but I was just too tired. Glad we got the W. I thought the refs were going to hand the game to the Lakers.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
I think Roy is the exception
He’s got the work ethic to continue to improve after he gets paid. I actually like that Bird seems to have collected these types (Hill, West, maybe Roy).
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Way to man up Roy!
I hope I can finally quit accusing you of wearing a skirt!!! :)
Roy is surpassing even my expectations
Whoever is developing him needs to be given a raise, if Simon can afford it. His rebounding numbers are better than I thought he’d be able to do, and he seems to have even more room for improvement. Area 55 will be rocking for years to come.
Always a question if making the playoffs is worth it
you know with the lottery and all. No question that series with the Bulls and the addition of a few key pieces have toughened this group up. Love seeing the team pull out the wins at the end of the game.
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