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Ode To Danny G.

The 5 game suspension is over.

We must trade him now!!!

Just Kidding. No need to force Danny Granger out of Indy just yet.

This is just a prelude to future discussions. Danny should remain a Pacer until we find legit reasons that he shouldn’t. That is to say we pick up the phone for any offer, but don’t listen to anything less than a clear upgrade during this season (which won’t happen). If Danny ends up looking quite tradable between now and the trade deadline and we are treading water in the 9th-11th spot in the east standings come Feb./March, then we should quietly, but actively shop him before the deadline. Otherwise, we should just plow ahead and get as far into May/June as the good Lord will allow. And, I think, with some luck and overall improved team effort/smarts/understanding that could be farther than we might’ve expected this time last year.

None the less, there will be trade demand for our Granger, both from fans and probably other teams. Oh Danny boy, the fans, the fans are calling…for your head. But, most want to want you to justify staying, and you mostly have. Trusting and finding open teammates while there’s still time for them to learn what to do with all the defense you draw will be key to quelling that demand for you to go elsewhere. I know Danny Granger won’t be reading this, but if anyone close to him does, just ask him to stay active on both ends, with and without the ball. And trust your teammates.

I predict that we will finish 5th or 6th (maybe 7th) in the east and have the 19th or 20th pick in the 2012 draft (I’m going to preserve my post-season predictions for my nocturnal emissions). I predict that Roy Hibbert and George Hill will play well enough to warrant contract extensions. I suspect that Hibbert will require at least $7-8mil. annually to retain his services; and Hill is so ‘not a true 1 or 2’, but such a good ball player in general, that he’ll require $3-4mil. annually to retain. If we don’t move anyone else and just stay the course, including our 2012 draft pick salary, best case scenario, that’s $47+mil. (including Lance’s non-guaranteed money) in salary for next season. So, we won’t have to sign more than a couple bench players to get to the salary floor (or better yet, give Hill and Hibbert a descending scale contract if we chose this “stay the course route” so they get more next year than the following years). But, we also won’t likely have enough money to throw at any top notch free agents.…which there appear to be none (aside from a few near franchise players coming off their rookie deals that will stay where they are). And then next year we’ll have to extend Tyler and Collison and the year after that, which is getting to the ‘too far out to predict range’ we’ll hopefully be maxing out All-star Paul George, wink-wink, nod-nod….but that’s the year Danny comes off the books.

So, if we stay the course, will we be happy with leveling off as a middle of the pack type team capable of giving a top contender a headache before they move on to the next round of the playoffs? I won’t. And I think anyone expecting us to continue to grow to the point where we are really a title contender is fooling themselves.

That said, I like all our young guys coming up for contract renewals. I think they will all warrant a fair market offer. If someone WAY over extends them money they don’t deserve then they can walk, otherwise, I think Larry drafted well enough to keep our guys home. THAT said, I’m also thinking that Danny will be overpaid as soon as later this season; especially if Paul George begins to find his shot consistently, West can be counted on for around 20ppg on a much higher percentage than Danny shoots, and Hill plays meaningful minutes at SG scoring and defending at or above league average.

So, I’m not even going to propose some of the trade ideas I have in mind for Danny at this point, BUT, I will say I think it might be wise to move him sooner than later. Nothing urgent. See how things are going this season and weigh our options near the deadline…and then again before the draft. Attempt to get at least a handful of smaller/shorter contracts and a late lotto-draft pick or a young marginal talent at a position of need (or both). At some point, Danny’s going to be too-long in the false tooth to warrant that $13-14mil. for marginal production and a couple of playoff wins. Say what you will, but if we just let him walk at age 31, or try to keep him…where will we be?

Here’s a question I have thought. Be honest in answering this:

Poll
Again, this is hypothetical and I wouldn’t consider it at this point, but; If we were to replace Danny right now with a future draft pick (which does nothing for us this season) and a couple of end of the bench players, how many losses would that add to o
a.) Maybe none, he’s overrated and we can be just fine without him.
9 votes
b.) 1-5 more losses, He’s a key player, but we have the depth to replace him.
17 votes
c.) 6-10 more losses, We need him to make the playoffs, but losing him wouldn’t instantly make us the worst team in the league.
53 votes
d.) 11-15 more losses, We would be one of the worst teams in the league and would struggle to not to finish in the bottom 2 or 3 in the east.
17 votes
e.) 16+ more losses, without him we may not win any more games, he’s the best player ever….I’m Danny’s mom and I love him.
2 votes

98 votes | Poll has closed

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And so it begins

I’m just not even going to discuss any Danny trades.

But I will say you’re probably low on the Hill and Hibbert extensions. You have Hill not even making full MLE money and despite all the flaws Hibbert’s 7 feet tall and can play basketball so he’s going to get $10 a year on average. That’s my biggest problem with the Hill move, his extension’s coming up so quick and if we want to keep him he’s probably gong to end up overpaid on the backend of the deal.

Sup Jello Shot?

by IndyPacers on Jan 2, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe.

Again, keep in mind, I’m actually not saying we should consider trading Danny at this point. He’s worth more to us than any package of smaller pieces we could hope for at this point.

As for Hibbert and Hill? Eh, I think that with the hard cap, some of those mid-level type contracts will be smaller than in the past. I don’t think they’ll get way more than that, and I was trying to be conservative in saying that Danny will be eating up alot of cap space with some desirable current Pacers coming up for renewals that will essentially keep this team stuck with what we got if that’s the route we go…and no cap to add anyone of relevance during Danny’s remaining tenure.

Danny played ok tonight. Again, I’m not advocating trading him at this point at all. I really just wanted to see how much of an impact people think losing Danny would have on the W-L columns.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 2, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But there's no hard cap

We just saw Marc Gasol get 4/58, Nene 5/67, Tyson Chandler 4/60, Caron Butler 3/24, Rodney Stuckey 3/25. Teams clearly learned nothing from the lockout. I’d be fine with letting Hill become an RFA and play the market, but we need to lock Hibbert up immediately.

Sup Jello Shot?

by IndyPacers on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this, especially with Hibbert

I actually had always penciled in Roy as a $7 mil/year type, but this past off-season has me thinking, especially the way he’s playing, that we’d be lucky to extend him for $10. A 5/$45 extension, signed RIGHT FREAKING NOW would be a steal for him, given the market value and assuming we want to go forward with him at starting C. Don’t see any more realistic options in the FA market next year, so I don’t see why we wouldn’t do an extension like that. Hill, to me, is worth $4+ mil, but a 3/$15 deal wouldn’t be out of the question. I’d like to see him stay for a hometown discount, but we’ll see.

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by LukeNukem on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yep yep

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by dbcb on Jan 3, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be ok with that....

It’s not a steal. The guy struggles to play at a high level for long stretches. And by long stretches I mean 6 or 7 minutes per quarter.

I love Roy, he’s a very solid player who’s improving a little each year. And then there’s his work ethic and presence in the community. Anything more than $7-8mil. per year and he’ll be overpaid during his next contract will be overvalued. And I’m not just saying that b/c all NBA players are overpaid (they are). I’m looking at it in the context of team building in a small market where ownership is unlikely to pay much luxury tax in the long run.

I’d probably be ok locking him up for 5 years at a little over $8 per if I thought the market for him would be more…and it might. Over $9 and I think it’s a mistake. I would offer him 5 years $42mil. front loaded extenstion right now.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 3, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok. ANNNNDDDDD....

We should be stupid and overpay for a 2nd tier big man? No thanks.

First of all, I think all those big men have proven more than Hibbert at this point. Secondly, a ton of teams cleared cap for the summer of 2010 and/or the unknown realm of the post lock-out CBA so once that all broke free people overpaid. But, that doesn’t mean we need to overspend. Roy is a decent player and a great guy. We should offer him good money for a long time. If we are winning, we should expect him to want to stay for fair value. If he wants to chase bigger money and/or we still can’t win more games than we lose….let him walk we have too far to go to just pay likable players way more than they’re worth.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 3, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a little different with Roy

There’s no one else like him. He may not be “great,” but great centers just don’t exist. You call him “2nd tier,” but he’s probably the 7th or 8th best center in the league. The key is obviously, as you said, the fact that we’d have to be winning with him. If we can crack .500 and get a 6 or 7 seed this year, (so show improvement over last year) and Roy can continue to improve as he has, you have to pay him because of the uniqueness of his situation and the lack of quality centers out there. There’d be no replacing him, unless you somehow luck into a #1 overall pick and get a guy like Drummond or Anthony Davis.

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by LukeNukem on Jan 4, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I predict

That OJ Mayo will become a Pacer by FEB via a 3 team trade. Or perhaps another solid off the bench.

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by rockguyinindy on Jan 2, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Another solid Player if not Mayo in a trade

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by rockguyinindy on Jan 2, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like taking a “solid” – what this team needs is a backup center – you can put Mayo on two pieces of rye and slap a “solid” on ’em for all I care about you wanting another wing player!

by FortWayneKarl on Jan 3, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why give up anything for him,

Mayo will be ours at the end of season..

by jonjonNYC on Jan 4, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF????

I was expecting poetry, not this “trade him” BS…

by FortWayneKarl on Jan 3, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Roses are red....

….his Jersey is Blue.
I’m glad Danny’s a Pacer….

…But, I’d be ok with trading him too.

Happy?

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

beautiful.

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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 3, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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