Jeff Foster Not Expected With Pacers In Sacramento
by Tom Lewis on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM EST
in Indiana Pacers News
Email
PrintIndiana Pacers reserve center Jeff Foster will not be with the team when they tip off their road trip against the Sacramento Kings on Wednesday, according to a tweet from the Pacers.
#Pacers Injury Update: Jeff Pendergraph (concussion) is day-to-day and Jeff Foster (back) is out and will not make trip.
UPDATE: Conrad Brunner tweets Foster will not be making the trip and instead be on the shelf for two weeks after having a back procedure. Check out Pacers.com for more.
The Pacers and Foster continue working through back issues that have hampered Mr. Pacer the past couple of years. After signing a one-year deal for this season, it seemed understood that the Pacers planned to make the playoffs and wanted Foster ready to go in the post season but that would require managing his workload in the regular season. Not travelling with the team, though may mean that the general "back" issue cited for missed games is more than a euphemism for "keeping Foster fresh for more meaningful minutes."
So far Foster has played in just five of the team's 12 games, but his impact is noticeable with a more productive second unit when he's on the floor. His raw box score numbers may not show it, but believe me he has an impact on both ends of the floor. In fact, the Pacers are 4-1 in games with Foster and despite the fact that he only plays around 15 minutes per game, his on-floor +/- is +43 in those five games. Not a bad boost off the bench.
We invite you to follow Indy Cornrows on Twitter and like Indy Cornrows on Facebook.
43 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Time to sign a d-leaguer?
It’s lookin ugly…
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
What, exactly, is looking ugly?
Sure, Foster has been out but it is not like he has missed due to career ending injuries. It seems more so like, just like many other athletes, he has nagging injuries/soreness that normally he would play through, but since he is the second string player and is needed more later in the season than now, the team is deciding to not overplay him now.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
"Looking ugly"
Refers to us potentially going on a Western Conference road trip with 12 guys available to play, and only four of them as PFs or Cs. The sky isn’t falling, it’d just be nice to have, you know, another big guy, if for no other reason to absorb fouls and minutes if/when Roy gets in foul trouble or gets tired.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Maybe it's a crazy way to make Roy work hard for a January 25th extension???
NOT SMART!!!
C’mon Pacers’ Management – WAKE THE “F” UP!!!!
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 17, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I mean,
I agree that there is a problem in that we have very little depth in those spots. I just think that having some quality players in those positions and a lot of depth in the other positions is worth having a shallow bench sometimes. It’d be nice to have more depth, but isn’t it always?
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
Dude
I just want them to sign a d-leaguer. We have double-digit cap space and 13 players on our roster.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
I count five
even without Foster:
West, Hibbert, Hansbrough, Amundson, Pendergraph
Plus Danny can play PF in a pinch
Pendergraph has a concussion
Doubt he plays at least the first game. And he is 1-6 on the season, with two of those misses coming from within three inches of the basket. I don’t think he counts. At least not yet.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Depth at the 3 and the 5 is achilles heel of this team
Hibbert cannot play the whole game. Without Foster there, we are left with Lou Admunson (sp?). That is razor thin. Hibbert has to go up against Cousins, Bynum, and Dwight Howard twice in the next 7 games.
I’m with Luke. Sign a D League player for the year to soak up fouls if nothing else.
As much as I ‘d like to think otherwise, it just doesn’t appear the Pacers management has their head screwed on straight regarding the center position. Here’s some points in this regard.
1. Didn’t sign McRoberts as a backup center
2. Haven’t extended Hibbert
3. Roy seems to have advanced his skills better during the lockout (w/o the help of the coaching staff) :0
4. Questionable signings of Amundson and Pendergraph when we actually needed a true center
5. Signed Foster who has obvious health issues they should have uncovered with a precontract physical (possibly forcing retirement?)
6. Are $10M plus under the cap, yet still without a legitimate backup center
7. Have two open roster spots, ditto
I’m sure the Pacers will make a move by the deadline.
-I miss McBob, but he’s soft on D. Hibbert has picked up his D and is just much bigger. Can’t play smash mouth with a guy like McBob.
-I didn’t like the Pends singing, but it was minimal, so nothing to get worked up about
-Rush had little value, and while I’m not thrilled with Amund (i think he’s the “Foul Super Soaker”), at least that lazy smoker is off the team.
-Not worried about Hibbs. We can easily match another team. I think the Pacers are waiting to see if Hibbert has turned a corner or if he’ll start to fade like he did last year. They were going to have to pay him (aren’t all bigs over paid?), so waiting to the offseason isn’t that big a deal. Hibbert could still be traded for all we know.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
number by number
1. McRoberts is a PF, not a center. He’d get pushed around as a backup center just as much as Pndergraph or Tyler. I do wish they’d have been able to pull off the Mayo trade though.
2. Rumors are that Hibbert (probably correctly) thinks he can get a better deal by waiting to hit the open market, so you can’t pin this one on the Pacers.
3. I don’t think Roy ever works out with coaching staff during the offseason. Last year he worked with Bill Walton, this year it was Duncan.
4. Amundson and Pendergraph both came on the cheap. Pendergraph is apparently a good 12th man guy (good at cheering on, hyping up his teammates), Amundson, shooting issues aside, is non-stop energy on the court.
5. Everyone who followed the Pacers at all closely knew that Foster had issues with his back. Commisioning a precontract physical would be like hiring a private detective to see if Lance Stephenson has a criminal record (whoops, the Pacers actually did that). The point is, management knew what they were getting into signing Foster for this year, but I think most people will agree that having Foster available for some games is better than not having any Foster for any games.
6. True centers are hard to find. Some teams don’t have any. The Pacers have a luxury with one to start, and a PF-C in Foster to be his backup.
7. Maybe Bird was traumatized by the Magnum Rolle incident, and now vows to always keep roster spots open, just in case Stanko Barac becomes ready for NBA action.
what Magnum Rolle incident?
him being a 50 something pick and not good enough to be in the NBA? not like that’s uncommon.
"He's like Darth Vader." - Frank Vogel on Larry Bird
No WAY....
…Is Pendergraph a better cheerleader than me. I would play for a 10 day contract and come in and foul and miss shots at the end of games just as good as him. Why didn’t they call me.
Kiding. I pretty much agree with all of that. except for tha Rolle incident. I also feel it would have been well worth our while to offer Dalembert a deal that (without us knowing it at the time) would’ve been better than what Houston gave him. We could really use him…and hey, it would’ve kept Hibbs on the bench/fresh a bit more and he wouldn’t be getting this chance to prove he can play effective starters minutes for the first time in his career, earning himself money we’d rather not pay…b/c as I’ve said in the past, he’s never been effective for more than a couple 4-5 minute bursts in a game up until now.
peac.e
this
Karl just hates the establishment, man! But seriously. He hates everything LB does. None of your logic or reasoning will change that.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Nope
I just hate idiots and incompetence.
I loved Larry Bird as a player. He wouldn’t have been successful as a coach with out superior assistants and players. Now (via the Peter Principle) he has been promoted to his level of incompetence and the brawl gave him an out. Finally, the franchise is getting back to notch below where it was when the Pacers went to 5 consecutive Eastern Conference Finals. Larry deserves credit for getting the team where it is now – in good financial shape as far as payroll, with a good core of young talent, and (finally) winning. However, if he wasn’t Larry Bird – I doubt any other GM would have been cut as much slack. So given all of that, I’m (relatively) happy with this team, but I think the majority of GM’s in the league could have done the same or better, given the same circumstances.
Holding to the above opinion doesn’t invalidate any of my criticisms of Pacers’ management, which is based on their performance, rather than blind loyalty and my love for the home team.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
If I remember correctly
that unsuccessful coach your refering to, actually guaranteed he would get his team to the championship in 3 yrs. And guess what? – Promise Kept
Giving credit to his superior asssistants…seriously?
If I remember correctly that same individual as GM guranteed he would get us to the playoffs in 3 years. And guess what? – Promise Kept
Holding to your opinions doesn’t invalidate any of your critism, only if your critisms are valid. Unfortunately stating that the majority of GM’s in the league could have done the same or better, proves they are not.
You've "proved" nothing.
The best season results we’ve seen from Larry is the 16th best record out of 30 NBA teams. Actually this would put him below average and not as good as the average GM (by actual mathematical definition in terms of win/loss)… Even given 2 years of training and what… 3 years of slack. Definitely below average. Now I (along with every other Pacer fan) am hoping that this year proves exceptional, but it’s taken 5 years of learning on the job and underperforming to get to this glimmer of hope where we’re at.
It could hardly be argued that he was as good of a coach as he was a player. And it could hardly be argued that he is as good of a GM as he was a coach. There is a trend downhill there and that’s why I cited the Peter Principle.
Now with regard to the team, I’ve stated claims+opinions, which are reiterated in the 7 points below… These in response to user full sail’s posts above for the most part sidestepping my original arguments.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Larry Legend Principle
3yrs = Championship
3yrs = Playoffs
Get back to me in 3yrs…
That sure sounds good.
When you say it like that. But, I wonder if he just meant “Conference Championship?” Wonder if he meant “One of the Losingest teams to ever make the playoffs.”
peac.e
Nope.
1. IF McRoberts was playing center, then Tyler could play PF. The point is depth. That would have certainly better than Pendergraph at center and Tyler at PF. It boils down to Amundson/Pendergraph vs McRoberts. Just have to take McRoberts on that one.
2. I’ve posted elsewhere that the Pacers should publicly put pressure on Roy to extend before the Jan 25 deadline. Could work, but they don’t seem to be trying at all. This isn’t smart.
3. If the coaching staff wasn’t working with Roy during the off seasons, they should have been fired sooner. Just because Hibbert worked with Walton, doesn’t mean JOB coaches weren’t working with him. I’ll bet the Pacers paid for Walton’s time, not Roy.
4. My point is depth. I’d rather see Amundson and Pendergraph as #‘s 14 and 15 on the roster rather than #’s 12 and 13.
5. If Foster ends up playing less than half the games, I hope his contract was prorated or he doesn’t earn bonus. I doubt this is the case. Not smart. I really like Foster, but he’s old and always injured.
6. Two open roster spots is a luxury too. At least one of those should be filled with another true center. I’m not excusing the Pacers’ management for being lazy, stupid, and cheap in this regard. It’s hurting the team now and will hurt the team more down the road. Amundson and Pendergraph are garbage and practice time players. It hurts the team anytime they see real minutes.
7. Then Bird should see a psychiatrist and/or get someone to do the math and analysis he seems incapable of doing.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Right...
1. McRoberts costs almost twice as much as Pendergraph and Amundson together, and we’d have to long-term him. If Bird never addresses backup center post-Foster (or at least gets another cheap piece this year for injury reasons) then this argument is valid. McRoberts was not brought in to backup center in Los Angeles because he can’t. Why pay him what he was asking for here when we didn’t need what he could give (backup PF minutes)?
2. Why are you suddenly a player psychology/PR expert? What if that backfires? How on Earth do you propose to do this? It sounds so far-fetched I’m surprised you typed it the first time, and now you sound like a raving lunatic repeating it.
3. True. I just don’t see why you’re so pissed that he’s gotten better. I don’t understand why it’s their fault that…um…he’s good? What is your problem with Roy doing well for himself? Are you saying his improvement would have been more dramatic if the coaches had been allowed willing to work with him? Okay, Karl…
4. Good point. But you understand we only have 13 players…I don’t know why Bird didn’t spend a few bucks to fill out the roster, and I think we’re going to pay for it starting tonight. But on a 13-man team those two ARE “#14 and 15.” They’re the last two guys off the bench.
5. Jeff’s contract is reasonable. It’s for one year, $3 mil. He could’ve gotten almost the exact same in a mini-MLE almost anywhere else, or maybe even more, and he chose to stay here. Quit bitchin. He’s always had back problems. When he plays he’s a stellar rebounder. It’s no coincidence that title contenders (or at least teams who think they are) are always asking about him. Now, Larry’s decision to not sign anyone to back him up is an entirely different story, but there could be several explanations for that too (like maybe no one he wanted was willing to sign a reasonable deal…you know the premium on centers these days).
6. I agree with this but I’m not willing to call mgmt. “lazy and stupid.” Definitely cheap, but I’m not ready to say that’s a bad thing either.
7. Eh. Who cares. Dude was kidding.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Now we find ourselves agreeing more, but...
1. The McRoberts deal you’re citing is what LA paid. No doubt he could’ve been gotten for less if the Pacers hadn’t sat on their hands.
2. WTF??? Just fill out an offer sheet to Roy starting at $10M a year and leak it to Wells. What’s so hard about that. The pressure would then be on Roy to stay. If he doesn’t accept, the pressure is on Roy to keep up his performance so he’s in a better negotiating position next summer.
5. If we paid Foster $3M for less than a half a season of work, then that’s like paying him $6-7M, which is too much.
6. Yeah, I think they’re both of those.
7. I wasn’t. :)
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
You're overblowing the whole Foster thing
We STILL have money to spend after amnestying Posey, which is looking more and more like a great move. Even if we paid him $6-7 mil for one year (which is close to what I thought they’d pay him, just because they love him) it wouldn’t have affected our ability to sign someone else down the road. It’s not like Tyson Chandler was sitting around waiting for the Pacers to offer him $12 mil to be their backup center and when he saw they paid Foster said “eff it, I’ll sign with NY…”
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
You made me laugh, but...
I’m kinda wondering if Foster would have retired if the Pacers hadn’t made him an offer…. Guessing the odds were like 50/50.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
On Posey...
Because we have the biggest cheap @ss owner in the league (measured by payroll), the most he’d spend of the Posey money is half, because although it doesn’t count against the cap it does count fully against the salary floor and since he only has to pay Posey half this year and half next, then the most he’ll spend is the half saved this year which is $3,574,400 and not a penny more. :)
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Who else were we likely to amnesty?
Hold onto it for 2 years in case Dannys production falls off a cliff?
Dahntay? Ok maybe, but Dantay always seemed likely to get some minutes, regardless of what you think of his value.
Posey was a shell of his former self, and Frank was probably never going to use him.
Posey was the obvious choice
I was just pointing out that Simons likely won’t use that money to make the team better, but instead bank it.
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you on this one.
Unless we would’ve put that money towards a better, more reliable option. I’m not even going to continue to mention the one I wanted.
peac.e
We need a healthy Jeff.
And I don’t mean Pendergraph.
I’m crossing my fingers that this is a much precautionary as anything. I still think we should’ve looked for better quality depth than Pender and Amundson…however, I’m crossing my fingers that we can out hustle/smart some of our road opponents by giving a few of those Foster minutes to the small duo of West and Tyler. I really wish that West had enough confidence (justifiable confidence) in his knee to be as active as Tyler and I really, REALLY wish Tyler had West’s feel/touch with the ball in his hand and smarts to get rid of the ball in a more productive manner.
peac.e
"How the hell can I make my teammates better by PASSING?!?!"
Not a shot…not a shot…BUT PASSING!
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Complicated
I think it’s hard now to change the roster for 2 reasons:
1 – what’s the point now to add a D-leaguer? is he gonna be better than D-Jones for the 3/2 back-up spot or better than Pendergraph as the 5th rotation at 4/5
2 – When everybody is healthy our rotation is good and we don’t want to take playing time from our young (maybe a backup 3 would be an improvment over D-Jones) so we need just an insurance in case of an injury. Find a player who will be agree to sit until there is an injury but good enough to not decrease the rotation will be very hard I think.
So the solution to keep our roster spot open is probably the best thing to do now, and if we’ve got a big injury we’ll have cap room to sign a good player.
We have two roster spots open and tons of cap space plus injuries to two of our backup bigs
What’s the point of NOT adding a D-leaguer?
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Pendergraph is healthy for now
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/jeff_foster_injured_2012_01_17.html
but yes we can add a D-leaguer for a 10-day contract I just don’t think it will bring something to the team.
asian girl white guy
Should an abysmal iron misprint the corrupting craft? The assigned carpet rots within a signal. Why does the meaningless parody boil? The inaccessible constituent barks. How does the bog case an emptied feminist? The circle breads a twenty doctrine.
by erandilina123@gmail.com on Jan 18, 2012 7:28 AM EST reply actions
white guy bad back
Crashing, crashing to the floor. Hopes, dreams. All he sees. Ugly mouth piece, growl. How the years have ravaged him so. Give me that, it’s mine. No, don’t give it to me now! “Shoot the ’jay” says the little man, “SHOOT IT!!!!” The game is life and life is the game. Has life passed you by?
peac.e
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
NBA Playoffs Content Module
Related FanPosts on Indy Cornrows
Related FanShots on Indy Cornrows
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Jrue Holiday needs to shoot more for Sixers to win, according to Doug Collins
- Create-a-Caption: Jeff Pendergraph scares his Pacers teammates
- James Harden is a cake now
- Mike Miller loses shoe, plays two possessions without it, Pacers don’t score (VIDEO)
- Larry Bird calls his Indiana Pacers ‘soft’ following the team’s physical Game 5 loss to Miami
