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Pacers' Early-Season Winning Breeds Deserved Confidence, Brashness

Danny Granger has always seemed to want to be the tough guy. Whether it's coming to his teammate's defense, or taking exception to an opposing team running up the score, or inexplicably picking a fight with a what was almost a teammate (O.J. Mayo), Granger often finds himself on the confrontation prowl. In the past, it could be argued the tough-guy approach was a logical ploy. Someone...or something had to counterbalance the perpetual mediocrity, and the persona of toughness was as good a bet as any. While Granger's past antics had noble aspirations, something was missing. The tough-guy venture always felt a bit hollow when the man or team doing the talking was a participator in years' worth of mind-numbing Ls.

Well, if early-season performance is any indication, times are a changin'. Danny no longer needs to rely solely on feigned aggression as a respect or attention getter. No, no...now when Danny talks people will listen. Why? 9-3 is why. The Pacers are winners again, and, as you can imagine, success has Danny's tough-talk meter going up a notch. He even recruited a fellow teammate to join the cause:

Granger:

"I think the message is that we’re a force to be reckoned with in the East, " said Pacers forward Danny Granger, who scored 21 points. "It’s really not one of those fluke things where we just started having a good beginning of the season. We’re actually a legitimate contender in the East. We’re right there, and we should be recognized as that."

Hibbert:

"I like to say to the guys in the locker room, we’re the best kept secret," Indiana center Roy Hibbert said. "Nobody’s talking about us. Indiana Pacers are best kept secret. Let everybody talk about the teams and have them ranked ahead of us, and we’re just going to go ahead and just do our business and chop them down."

Call it bravado, or swagger, or whatever, it appears these Pacers have it. And, unlike the tortured past, they're dangerously close to deserving such bold lingo associated with their name. That's what winning does for you. It puts once empty tough-guy threats on the path towards credibility, because gameday will back it up.

I suppose this all started just before the 2010-2011 playoff series against Chicago. Granger went into his familiar "be brash" routine when discussing his desire to play the Bulls and the league's MVP in the playoffs rather than more playoff-tested vets such as the Celtics. Obviously, the Pacers didn't win the series, but Granger gained a renewed respect from many fans after playing well during a competitive series. Suddenly, the tough-guy mantra had some clout; it had some substance.

"Clout" and "substance" is exactly where it appears this 2011-2012 Indiana Pacers team is headed. A gameplan of board crashing and suffocating defense has the franchise off to its best start since the pre-brawl days. And excuse Granger & Co. if they decide to celebrate through a little verbal strutting. After all, on-court performance says it isn't empty talk anymore. Just ask Boston's Big Four/former Champs who took it in the chin on a smash-mouth Saturday night. In fact, ask them twice...

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I am completely, 100% okay with this

I like having a bit of an edge, as long as it’s a responsible edge and it’s backed up on the court. Hell, it’s not like Reggie wasn’t one of the preeminent trash talkers in history.

Hey, maybe he can come in and do a seminar!

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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 15, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

I could give a cr@p if you’re the biggest wimp on the floor Danny, just keep putting the ball in the basket!

by FortWayneKarl on Jan 15, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Hibbert on the other hand hasn’t been as soft this year and the Pacers need him to keep stepping up to be the man in the middle instead of the big softy he’s been previously.

by FortWayneKarl on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Some of us are willing to give Danny time to adjust to his new role...

…We need to remember that Hibbs had a different role under JOB and before that played in a Princeton offense where he was moving and screening all over the court not banging down low.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 15, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The only win we have over a .500 team is Atlanta

sorry if I don’t get too excited when Philly and Miami beat our brains in.

The upcoming stretch of @ LA, Orlando, @ CHI, @ BOS, @ Orlando will tell us if this team is a “force to be reckoned with”

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by dbcb on Jan 15, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

c’mon man, have some optimism. This is the first time in years we’ve got a reason to be excited!

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 15, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the development

And they have been a joy to watch in a sick kind of way lol. And they are MUCH improved and should continue to get better for the next 5 years…

I am just not ready to consider them a top team until they prove it. They haven’t proven it yet.

I can be cautiously optimistic.

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by dbcb on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you.

I think the confidence will go along way on the court, but we are still a team with average-to-below-average talent.

So, I’m with you.

.500 for the rest of January would be really great in my mind. Fantastic even.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Team Captain

Granger said it best, “no fluke”, this teams for real.
To think, even if we lost them all (LA,ORL,CH,BOS,ORL) we’d still be .500+

by jonjonNYC on Jan 15, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Lmao

Even when they win, always gonna have people who bitch, and not app what they have done so far. Like beatn the teams that’s needed!!!

by Engalwood on Jan 15, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

I am not bitching

I am just not going to go into fan boy mode over smashing shitty teams.

This team should be doing what Philly is doing right now, but all our parts are not firing yet. Need to stop shooting under 40% and I will consider this team a force to be reckoned with.

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by dbcb on Jan 15, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to agree with you there

Just as it’s wrong to start bashing everyone on the team when they lose, let’s not spray our shorts just yet because they’ve gotten a few wins against sub-par opponents. I’m also cautiously optimistic because I’ve been overly optimistic too often in the past, only to be let down. There is no doubt that Pacers are a good team, a much better team than the one we’ve seen the last few seasons, but whether they are truly an elite team remains to be seen. That’s all I’m prepared to say for now.

by knuman on Jan 15, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

See...

I might have been mis-judging the excitement of others. I thought people were just happy that we were competative again.

Does anyone on here really think “Elite” is even in our grasp this season? I’m not expecting that.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jan 15, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You Know What Man!!

I feel the same and posted it last week a couple of times. Yeah, I missed some of the games b/c of work schedule but when I rewatched them or part of the games I realized we are def smash mouth ball. I bitched hard after the Philly loss, the barely win over Toronto, but they fought back. My problem was/is that I figured this team to come out smoking like the Thunder, Heat, Philly and shoot well beyond 45%. But with this group they will get there by the next 10 games. It was prooved last night when West throws a dunk off of O’Neal’s head. Hell, West didnt have that spring the 1st ten games. I have seen the light man. I AM and have bought into the grind games for now and be in extra dangerous form by 25 games when they all start hitting they’re shots. Still, I see this team avg 45% shooting and a top 3 defense (or at least a top 5) and top 4 rebounding team with Big Roy being the big man he needs to be avg double-doubles. West/Granger both avg around 15 and Collinson/George 12-15 with Hill and Tyler being relentless off the bench by mid season.
One thing I do wish, is we have another hot shot off the bench, like Mayo, which probably wont happen now or wait on Wilson Chandler to come back from China in Feb or Mar to play behind the 2 & 3 spot. But, bottom line since I have seen the light is Smash Mouth-Grind ball.

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by rockguyinindy on Jan 15, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

At least we are beating the teams we should. We’ve come back from behind and won. We’ve been doing a better job closing out games. All these things should help us when we play better teams.

We just have to start shooting the ball better and more consistently.

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by Sparhawk on Jan 16, 2012 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Granger's Bravado

may have started before the playoffs, but the team turned the corner when they transformed from a soft, 3-point shooting team into SmashMouth, courtesy of yours truly Head Coach Vogel.

by jonjonNYC on Jan 15, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

This is the best team we’ve had since 04-05. I think we are the only team that can athletically compete with Miami. Chicago will fall because Rose can be made a volume shooter

by rogersb11 on Jan 15, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

I think the preseason games vs. the Bulls...

…Showed that the Pacers need to keep making a leap to reach the Bulls’ level.

Plus Rose will get every “superstar” call in a playoff series and shoot a million free throws.

Indiana sure didn’t compete athletically against Miami.

The Pacers have had an easy schedule so far, the record is great but they’ve had a lot of cake games they’ve only squeaked through.

This team will need to improve majorly on the offensive end to compete with Chicago and Miami, but could end up being the 3rd best team in the east.

by jeffshireman on Jan 16, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a fair point

The Pacer certainly have a bit to go before they can compete with Miami and Chicago. But, you have to keep in mind that in the pre-season and the playoffs last year, the Pacers didn’t play/have their best finisher, David West.

I’m not saying the Pacers are title contenders, but it’s nice to see that they aren’t dropping “easy” games like they did last season. They’re winning the games they’re supposed to win, and that can do wonderful things for a team.

by StewStew on Jan 16, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Long time coming

it has been a long time since any of us had any optimism——and the schedule is what it is, this team is doing what we have wondered why they couldn’t for the past 5 years——-beating the teams they should beat, and putting separation between themselves and the also rans, and being a team that the contenders pay attention to——-I have watched the Lakers get hammered by the celtics by 30 in the first game of the finals, only to come back and win in 6——it is a marathon, and a learning process, and a team thing——and the pacers got the pieces and the coaches, so if the players are chomping at the bit, and talking about it, that is great!! Go Pacers

by dbcircle on Jan 16, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

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