Shumpert & Brooks Deals
Looking around the league there are a couple of rising stars that would be great to get our hands on.
1. Inman Shumpert - PG Knicks
In the 2010-11 season, Shumpert led his team in scoring (17.3 ppg), rebounding, and assists, becoming only the seventh player in ACC history to do so. He ranked fourth in the ACC in scoring, 15th in rebounds, 10th in field goal and free throw percentage, and first in steals (seventh in the nation). He was named to the second All-ACC team and was a member of the conference's all-defensive team.
He was the 17th pick of the Knicks and has started the season on fire even though he was injured for a few games. He has hit double figures the last six games since his injury. In collage he also spent a lot of time at the 2. I think he would be a great addition, and I think we could offer Lance Stephenson and a first to get him. The Knicks are still in trade mode with rumors now about Dwight Howard. They could use the pick in package for a later trade. Lance could go on to be the next great Knick
2. Marshon Brooks - SG
As a senior in 10 - 11, Brooks averaged 24.6 points per game, first in the Big East. Besides leading his team in scoring and rebounding, he was second in Division I in scoring. On February 23, 2011, Brooks scored 52 points against Notre Dame. He was drafted 24th by the Nets.
Brooks has been on a tear with the short handed nets. Scoring in double figures in eight of his last nine games with a season high of 21 in two games agianst ATL and Us. The Nets are also in trade mode trying to desperatly keep Deron Williams happy by bringing in more star power. I think we should trade Lance Stephenson and a frist to get him. Lance could go on to be a hometown hero.
I think the Pacers would be set on a solid playoff run with either of these guys. They can both handle the ball well, and create thier own shot. They are both ACTUAL scorers. They are not a project player from the hood that we hope in two years will be good, because he scored 12 points once in two years. Hopes don't win games that is for Suckers and Dreamers. Those players are good young talent that want it and are NBA ready. Their teams are looking for ways that they could improve theirself for Dwight Howard. I say take advantage of that, and we send our worst and most problemed player away. These deals are like throwing two girls down the stairs at the same time. I think Shumpert and Brooks are going to be stars in this league, so its time to cut bait and jump on some real born ready NBA talent.
Go PACERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, I like Brooks...
Don’t know about Shumpert. So, I’m gonna say I like Stephenson’s potential for a more complete game. Plus, I at least know that Stephenson is willing to try hard to be the best basketball player he can be.
I know, I’m a Lance apologist.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 13, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions
If you would rather have Lance than Shumpert and Brooks . . . . Then I got nothing for you.
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Well..
I see Brooks being a good/great scorer, but I don’t think he gets past that. Brooks will be a poor-average defender and he won’t create much for teammates. I will say that he rebounds well for his position.
This whole thing comes down to potential for me. I think Lance has the ability to be the whole package while creating a huge mismatch at the point guard position. I have a dream… a dream where a team’s starting lineup is 6-5, 210lbs and up. I dream of a world where opposing teams/fan bases shake in fear at the unfairness of the match-up. I have a dream where I take a great speech and demean it for a really inane purpose.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Damn DD
Maybe you and Lance should have diner and talk things over.
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by rockguyinindy on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
prefer brooks but
nets won’t do it for lance straight up.
sorry. didn't see you included our 1st.
i don’t think bird would do it in this case.
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I don’t know why we would trade for either of these guys when we could have drafted either of them and chose to trade out of the draft. If we’re trading an unprotected first for either it would be stupid. There are several guys projected to be available in the 15-25 range who are better than either of these two, or at least as good with more potential (at least more potential than Brooks). I’d much rather have Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, Tyler Zeller, Marquis Teague or Alex Young (and no, I’m not a Kentucky fan, but yes, I am a state of Indiana basketball homer). I’m sure between now and the draft several more will emerge. Both of these guys seem like products of their thin and shallow teams; Brooks would be a nice bench scorer for us, but that’s all. Shumpert would basically play Lance’s role (Shumpert looks horrible as a PG so far, by the way with his turnovers and wildly inconsistent shooting). I doubt either would help us for a playoff run any more than the guys we already have, and there’s no way I’m sacrificing a pick in a deep draft for either of them after watching them for a few games. If anything, Kawhi Leonard has made a better case for us keeping him over trading him for Hill than these guys have for trading for them.
Also this sounds like just a blatant attempt to find a way to get rid of Lance Stephenson, who for some reason you hate more than that Patsrdone guy hates Mike Dunleavy.
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Well we obviously didn’t know how good those guys where going to turn out. Right now I would take Brooks over Hill, even though I love hill. Now we will see if he can keep it up. Brooks and Shumpert are right now 10 times better than Leonard in my veiw.
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I'm not the least bit surprised.
I liked Shumpert as a solid utility combo gaurd in the league. I watched him quite a bit two years ago when I was doing my meaningless amature scouting of Lawal and Favors (and even a little the year before when I was just watching Lawal). To me, he’s pretty much Lance Stephenson with less off-court issues/character flaws and a more slender frame. He’s nothing close to a true PG and I doubt he ever will be. He’s a solid player and his numbers were greatly inflated at GT last season b/c they had no one else on their roster. I’d love to have him. But not for Lance and a 1st, even though I’m doubtfull Lance will be back next season.
I like Brooks a little better. If I knew where the pick was going to be, I’d pull the trigger on that deal for Lance and the 22nd or later pick (I’ve got my eye on about 20 or so players this year that I like as much or more than Brooks). But, I actually think that Brooks is someone that NJ wants to hang on to and probably wouldn’t even trade him for a late 1st and Lance.
Though, with the move back to Brooklyn they might consider it. For now I’d say no, but, if we can’t always rely on ball movement and continue to need a guy that can create his own shot…come the deadline…I might reconsider this one.
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by FortWayneKarl on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING locked in your basement Karl?
I bet he’s putting the lotion on the skin right now. . .
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Is that guy seriously not coming back? Say it ain't so...
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a lil much ...
shumpert is not worth a 1st wrong draft pick and lance stephenson .. that’s stupid .. if it’s a first and lou amundson maybe but NO … 1st and Lance for Marshon MAYBE but i can see Marshon and Lance being similar players in the NBA … Pacers aren’t trading Lance … if he doesn’t mature more after this year they might but he’s come A LONG WAY in 2 years … I’d rather hedge my bets with Stephenson and use our first with granger to get an all star .. my take only
mid-to-late 1st round pick and Granger....
…will not get you an all-star. Sorry. Maybe an aging all-star that won’t help us.
peac.e
Shumpert, Brooks, NY1st and NJ1st
Otherwise No Thanks!
In this scenario....
…are we simply trading Lance back to the Greater NY metro area? Or a particular team?
And another question. Are you Lance Stephenson?
peac.e
I think Lance could put up Brooks-type numbers were he also getting lots of playing time on a bad team
And to throw in a 1st rounder from the talented 2012 draft? No way. Not for players whose professional basketball resume consists of 10 games.
Also, teams are usually hesitant to trade rookies that are performing well. If they are worth acquiring, their respective teams will want to hang on to them.
Your last point is exactly why this would cost more than it's worth....
…however, I think Marshon’s college experience clearly makes him more likely to perform…well, like he is now, than Lance’s up-and-down experience at a school that I consider to be a place where talented kids now go to not be well coached….from what I’ve seen.
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