IC Cold Links: Can Lance Stephenson Handle A Little Success With Pacers?
One of the highlights from the Indiana Pacers' win over the Atlanta Hawks last night was the play of Lance Stephenson. While he pushed things to the edge a few times, he was still able to make plays for himself or others and considering he can create his own shot, when he makes more than he misses he can be quite valuable.
But there's another edge Stephenson seems to play with that has nothing to do with being out of control with the ball. At one point in the second half, the Pacers had the all-agitator team on the floor with Stephenson, Dahntay Jones, Tyler Hansbrough and Jeff Foster, four guys that can drive opponents nuts in their own unique way.
Stephenson is a physical guard and doesn't mind engaging in some chippy play which showed up a couple of times last night as he played through the whistle, to borrow a football term. Jannero Pargo took exception to Stephenson's flailing after drawing a foul and heard something from Lance that set him off.
Later with the game in hand, Atlanta beat writer Michael Cunningham reports that Stephenson was making his presence known with the Hawks bench.
Lance Stephenson, noted head case from his days back at Cincinnati, seemed to be really proud of his career-high 12 points. He kept flexing at Atlanta's bench in garbage time. Hawks players didn't like it, though a couple guys just laughed at him.
This is the perception of Stephenson around the league and he will have to mature much more to shake that reputation. I found it interesting on Tuesday when Roy Hibbert was asked about Stephenson's progress on the Query & Schultz show, he didn't sugar coat his status and made a point to say that Lance still needed to develop a professional maturity to go along with his skill.
I also noticed in his post-game comments, Frank Vogel was quick to minimize the hype for Stephenson's game, pointing out the issues of playing out of control at times even though it didn't cost the team. Considering Vogel is usually quick with over-the-top praise for any of his players, there is obviously no need for the coach to bolster Stephenson's confidence.
All of this isn't to say, Stephenson isn't serious about his game. He's put in the work and even seeked out shooting legend and Pacers consultant, Billy Keller for some extra work before last night's game. After the game, Stephenson credited Keller with helping him adjust his release and arc on the shot which obviously worked. Also, I love the little chippiness that guys like Foster and Jones bring which can take opponents out of their game. It is a fine line to straddle sometimes and takes a measure of control not to go too far.
Stephenson has the ability to provide such a dynamic boost off the bench for this team if he can harness his game and find some level of consistency. I just hope he is able to handle that role like a pro.
Check out the links after the jump.
- Box score: Pacers 96, Hawks 84
- PACERS: Rewind: Pacers vs. Hawks 120111
- That's more like it - Pacers drop Hawks, 96-84 | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
- Pacers notebook: Hibbert's early exam | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
- Short-handed Hawks fade to loss at Indiana | ajc.com
- Atlanta Hawks: Pacers 96, Hawks 84 | Atlanta Hawks
- Granger leads Pacers past Hawks - NBA - AP
- Post-Game Grades: Indy Smacks ATL in the Jaw | Eight Points, Nine Seconds
- NBA Scores And More: Clips Tip Heat In OT, Lakers Do The Same To Jazz, Blazers Fall At Home - SBNation.com
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I feel like this wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for his previous history.
I’m fine with guys like Foster talking a bit, because I know it gets under the other team’s skin and maybe throws them out of their comfort zone a bit. But with Lance, I feel like he needs to show he can be responsible and mature for a whole year before he earns the right to agitate like the others.
I liked a lot of what I saw from him last night, but I almost hope he has a few setbacks to help remind him to stay humble and not get ahead of himself (as long as the Pacers keep winning, that is). I’m glad though that he has mature veteran leaders around him to help along the way – glad to hear Roy said that publicly about him, it shows that he’s got an eye on Lance.
He’s certainly got the talent to be a top player for us, it’s just a matter of making sure his self-image doesn’t get out of hand.
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Lance gets 12pts in garbage time and you think he’s the next MVP.
Ok so the worst guy on our team is over Flexing at Atl, one of the teams that we will be competing hard with all season. I don’t think they need any more motivation. Lance did not get any home training and every chance he gets he leaves everyone scratching their heads. Hey, Lance this isn’t the Ghetto in NY! Learn the game and get some skills before you go out there and make a FOOL of yourself.
Last guy off the bench Flexing . . . OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOk that made my day.
What a freaking joke. . .
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To be fair those weren't garbage time points
He had 8 in second quarter and other four when Pacers pulled away in third quarter. He did play through garbage time tho.
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He is a joke
I think he needs to mature somewhere else. I can see him becoming a big distraction at some point.
by warsawpacersfan on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Distraction
I don’t see him becoming as big of a distraction this season, like he did last year after Vogel took over. We now have some added continuity and veteran presences.
Plus, after going to the playoffs last year, these guys seem to have realized that they have some potential to make some noise. Hopefully he will get his act together, but comments like you see from Roy are a good sign to me that the team understands where Lance is at. Also, West (or maybe the playoff experience) seems to have had some impact on Hibbert this year in terms of leadership and assertiveness.
Mark Boyle and Slick Leonard named Lance Player of the Game. He seemed humble in their postgame interview. Mark and Slick didn’t say anything about Lance flexing in front of the Atlanta bench… So I don’t know what to make of that other than maybe they missed it (I doubt) or ya’ll are making too big of a deal about this (probably more likely).
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
it came from the Atlanta beat writer
so either some Hawks players whined to him after the game, or he noticed it and asked the team about it, in an attempt to garner a snarky story angle.
If that’s true, then the haters in these postings should feel obligated and check their sources – and if what you said checks out, then IMHO guys like “The Fake” dale davis should be sending Lance Stephenson a dozen roses w/ an apology letter too!
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 12, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Be careful DD....
…he might take that as a sign of affection.
And throw you down a flight of stairs.
Kidding. I can only give him the benefit of the doubt with that whole incident.
peac.e
the worst
Lance is not the worst player on our team. I can think of three different players with inferior skill sets. Aj Price, Amundunson, Pendergrapgh. He had his best game as a pro. Its only natural he get a little excited and flex a little. I actually enjoyed it. It not like he punched somebody, or got a technical. Because of his past there always a red flag, If he does anything people are ready to assume the worst. I rather have a player play with a little emotion, than be mum.
i agree
too many ppl hate on lance
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by wonillionaire on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
"None of those guys even Flex after a play why would you want them?"
All three of the guys you mentioned no their roll and take care of the ball. I would much rather have any of them over Lance.
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they don't flex
those guys don’t flex cause they never create a play worth flexing over. At the end he’s 22 years old. He has a much higher ceiling than those bums. All the greats do some sort of flex, until the flexing hurts via technical foul, or ejection. Flex on
When your the worst player on the team . . . you should't be Flexing anything. . .
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The worst player on the team wasn't flexing
though he did almost get in a fistfight, and he can’t even hit the rim when he shoots free throws.
Oh sorry, you weren’t talking about Amundson (who I actually like, but goodness is he a terrible shooter).
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I saw Amundson almost get into a fight. He’s terrible, can’t shoot or dribble. The only thing he is good for is a rebound. People hating on lance cause he’s the darkest guy on the bench and young dumb and full of # but don’t hate on his talent and ceiling. You can have one crazy on the team you can;t have two. I think we are good.
"the worst guy on our team"
Clearly someone’s never watched Dahntay Jones try to drive to the basket. Every offensive possession he’s involved in makes me want to bleach my eyes
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Or apparently Jeff Pendergraph...
I’m not sure anyone else in the LEAGUE is capable of that atrocious layup/dunk double miss that actually WAS in garbage time.
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At least he has an excuse
unless I’m mistaken, he hasn’t played in a game since the end of last year’s regular season. Dahntay is just old and not that good, and doesn’t do a great job of managing his role on the team (unless his role is vastly different from what I think it should be, which is “the guy who carries the ball downcourt to give it to the point guard, then satisfy the rule that says you have to play five guys”).
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
actually, Pendergraph hasn't played an NBA regular season game in 2 years
he blew out his knee last preseason
Oooooh, I didn't know that
my point stands even clearer, then.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
(and I was mistaken, SHOCKINGLY)
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
couldnt agree more
d jones is by far the worst player on the team..i hate watching him play…he cant shoot and is absolutely terrible…and gives that same dumb look after every foul he commits…I hope he gets traded soon…the guy is awful
Dhantay is not are worst player
he is not. but he has the worst shot decision making. The shots he takes are dumbfounding. He is by far our most athletic player on our team. He also gives a 110% effort when he plays. The problem is we don’t need that extra % he gives when he plays. Vogel just needs to tell him to pass more and shoot less.
It seems like
Every time i post, i nitpick someone else post..but o well. My nitpicking this time? Dhantay is not “by far our most athletic player on our team.” That title would definitely have to go to Paul George. While Dhantay is very athletic, George’s athleticism is on a whole different level, at Kobe or Lebron kind of athleticism. But other than that i agree with your post. :)
NY-style PGs???
He reminds me a lot of Jamaal Tinsley when he plays. He has great court vision, but he too often seems to make the flashy, no-look, behind-the-back pass when a simple chest/bounce pass is all that is needed, and much less risky. I think he has matured, but still has some way to go if these reports are true. I think that his physical gifts as well as his bball IQ could make him one of the most talented guys on the team, but maturity, control, and experience must be added to that mix to mold Lance into a true force. By the time Ron Artest found this formula, his Pacer days were over. I just hope Lance can find it sooner to the benefit of both him and the team.
He has court Vision?
From what I’ve seen this year he see’s two parts of the court. The ball and the rim. And he’s no MJ, so that’s not good.
peac.e
Garbage
Garbage time wasn’t entirely accurate …Stephenson scored meaningful points. IMO his best game as a pro. Isn’t saying much but its refreshing to finally see something positive from him on the court.
by GrangerSCK33 on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I see a disturbing trend developing
Paul George’s minutes have gone down drastically the last couple weeks, Frank takes him out at the six minute mark no mater how well he is playing and lets him sit until he takes out George Hill. I don’t understand why he doesn’t play PG at any other positions other than the two he should get more minutes at the three as that’s his natural position. He has improved a lot since last year and now he is starting to cut minutes. I think PG should play as much as anyone since he is young and his ceiling is higher than anyone on the team. Oh yeah and he has game.
I'd bet this is more due to the schedule
We have a back-to-back coming on Friday/Saturday, so it’s possible Vogel wanted to put a little less mileage on him before the weekend.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
except PG's minutes have been fine
the games he played under 25 the last week or so have been blowout wins. I’m GLAD he’s not playing 6 extra minutes of garbage time in this crazy season.
"He's like Darth Vader." - Frank Vogel on Larry Bird
I think Vogel's Managing Minutes Well
Team Averages for Minutes Per Game:
Granger – 33.8
Collison – 32.6
George – 31.9
Hibbert – 29.2
West – 27.3
Hansbrough – 26.3
Hill – 24.6
No one over 35 mpg. West is also barely playing more than Hans, but still effective on a per minute basis (18.3 PER), although some may be disappointed in his overall numbers so far, I would expect both his effectiveness and minutes to increase later in the year, and it will show.
PG is averaging the 3rd most on the team, he did have some high minute games, but the last few he hasn’t played quite as much, him and DC can probably handle high minutes more than anyone else at this point.
In contrast consider some other stars who may be hurting down the road due to excessive minutes, some will probably effected more than others:
Loul Deng – 39
Lebron – 37.4
Howard – 37.2
CP3 – 37.1
Kobe – 36.8
Numberzzzzzzzzzz
Nice points. I like the “spread the wealth” approach as well, I just hope Vogel doesn’t become too doctrinal about taking certain players out at certain times for certain other players – you have to read the game and manage accordingly. But so far I haven’t been unhappy with his management of the team, nor his coaching.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
OH
I forgot to mention this: I bet Kobe crashes HARD later this year. Hope not because he’s on my fantasy team, but he probably will.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 13, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lance
Lance is going to talk some sh**. Comes with the package. However, like Bill Simmons has said, its ok to have one guy like this on your team. It becomes a problem when he is surrounded by guys like Jamal Tinsley and Stephen Jackson. Its not a problem when you have guys around him like George Hill, David West, Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, and Jeff Foster. When multiple veterans who are professionals stay in his ear, a player like Lance will prosper. Plus, as you can see, he has put extra work in, is seeking help from high level people, and is saying the correct things in interviews. Lance has always had the talent since he was a top 10 recruit in high school. He is starting to grow up, and when he comes used to performing like he did last night, sky’s the limit with this guy. I have been saying for 3 years now Lance has some major talent, but he is starting to come around as a professional. Save the hate, and root for a guy like this to come around. You say he’s a joke; I say he can ball on all of you haters.
To bad for Lance he doesn’t get paid to “BALL” on me . . . he gets paid to “Ball” on guys like Derrick Rose and CJ Watson who used and abused him all night long. I didn’t see him flexing that night as CJ Watson had his best game of the season running by Lance.
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dude - erase the hate
He had a good game and much of it was done in non-garbage time. Just be happy for him and the team. Thus far he’s worked hard and stayed out of trouble. If he was flexing his pipes in front of the Hawks’ bench…big deal. He’s a kid. Hibbert and others in the past have done silly antics when they played well. As much as we’d like it, these guys in their early 20s will not always play or act like seasoned pros.
by pendulum55 on Jan 12, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"BALL" on you
I’m sure he’d do it for free..
I don't understand either of these perspectives
The Lance love is overblown. He was very good last night for a few important minutes, and he’s looked like an absolute beast for seconds at a time in the past. I really love his potential to be a great passer, and I love his size for the position. The sample size has, however, been pretty damn small, and he clearly needs to spend A LOT of time on his jumper and on playing under control. Half the time he simply doesn’t look like he knows what he’s doing. If we can say anything definitively positive about Lance this year it’s that he looks like he cares.
On the other hand I’m not getting the Lance hate either. Calling him the “worst” or indicting him for the staircase incident at this point in his career both seem like tactics to piss people off, rather than legitimate points of conversation. I don’t really like him as a player yet, and I think he needs to mature, but damn, it’s not like he’s had three years to prove himself and has yielded Brandon Rush like numbers, and there’s no denying he’s talented enough to make the end of most NBA rosters. Same can’t be said for a few other guys on our squad, starting with Jeff Pendergraph and perhaps Dahntay Jones.
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by LukeNukem on Jan 12, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, basically this
though I don’t know how he looked on TV (or if you were also at the game, I guess) but in past games where I’ve seen Lance play even this year, he’s looked just okay. In person last night, you could see what Larry, etc. see in him. I’m really hoping he can learn something about what it means to be a professional and an adult from the rest of the guys on the team and really get a chance to develop. Guys like Foster and West have a lot they can teach him; I hope they’re willing to try, and he’s willing to listen.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 12, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve seen him in person play meaningful minutes once or twice. Like I said, he has that “wow” factor just watching him move, but it only lasts a few seconds before he either does something stupid or does something just regular. The best way I can describe him is “anti-climactic.” But that said, you catch your breath a little every time he has the ball on a break, even if he hasn’t regularly delivered. We haven’t had that kind of player, aside from Josh McRoberts on wide open fast breaks, since, I don’t know, maybe ever. So I think I see what Larry Bird saw/sees, at least to some degree. I just don’t think we’ve seen enough yet, and there’s no reason to hand him minutes (but at the same time no reason to bench him indefinitely). Paul George, on the other hand, needs to be handed minutes. I could see people getting really passionate about him, but then, he doesn’t really have a polarizing personality like Lance does.
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I think we agree
I don’t want LS handed minutes, but when he earns them he should get them, as I think he did against Atlanta. He’s certainly not the finished product (his nickname is a joke), but when he’s on, he’s on. Hopefully with some minutes he’ll develop into a player where we can rely on and expect his “wow” moments and minimize or eliminate the “anti-climactic” ones.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
so safe to say Lance Stephenson's still a somewhat divisive Pacer I suppose
the kid played GREAT. you see his D? it was actually…well probably just a bit above average, but that’s a leaps and bounds improvement. it was by far his best pro game and you could see his good play giving him more and more confidence as the game went on. he seems to have come a long way in his maturation, if getting a little mouthy with the opposing bench after (finally, which is how I’m sure he also feels) having a good game, I’d say there are worse basketball sins. hell, look at Amundson trying to get an under 10 second dunk in a blowout win and rightfully getting clobbered for it.
far as guys not heaping praise on him, one, it wasn’t THAT great a game. two, I’m sure that’s by design. the kid’s nickname is friggin “Born Ready,” he’s had his ass kissed his entire life because he’s a good basketball player. you don’t start that up again and show him that if you can play ball you don’t have to continue to improve upon yourself.
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by IndyPacers on Jan 12, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
oh yeah
Al Horford tore his pectoral last night, out 3+ months. I don’t mean for it come off as me saying “awesome, another team’s best player got hurt!” but that’s going to help us in the standings. I REALLY want to host a playoff series.
"He's like Darth Vader." - Frank Vogel on Larry Bird
I hate seeing anyone injured.
It cheapens wins and hurts the game as a whole. I’d rather beat a team when they’re at full strength to truly test our mettle as a unit.
I really like Horford as a player
so I hope for a quick recovery by him.
That said, IndyPacers point was that this does make things more difficult for the Hawks, at team that, along with the 76ers, is going to be the Pacers main competition for those 3-5 seeds in the playoffs.
Josh Smith is really going to have to step up. I’m not sure he can do it though cause of his temper.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
Last night Josh Smith had 30pts 13rbs
He has a motivation problem . . . But he is on my Fantasy Basketball team so I hope he keeps being motivated.
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Maybe he should have gone to college.
/bitter IU fan
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Get behind the kid!
He’s a Pacer, he’s giving a lot of effort to improve. I enjoy watching his style of play. Very creative, almost to a fault you could say. I thought his defense was impressive last night too. I don’t find any of his antics are annoying as say someone doing chin ups on the rim before every game or whining if a foul isn’t called because they missed a shot. He gets to the rim with such ease. SUPPORTING LANCE IS SUPPORTING THE PACERS!
Dang.
I got in late on this one. Not that what I’m going to say will really require a ton of feedback.
Anyone who’s followed what I’ve wanted out of this team over the past few years knows that I love having young, potential stars on the team.
I’m not so sure a top 10 HS recruit (once the clear cut #1 in his class) that goes to a solid program and ends up being a 2nd round pick after his Freshman year still has the kind of superstar potential he once did.
The physical tools are there. He’s not a 5 star athlete at the pro level, but solid size for a combo gaurd and probably 4-4.5 star athlete.
How many minutes he should get in the future, and whether he should go to D-league for some seasoning may depend on how the team is doing as a whole, how Hill is doing in his spot minutes at the 1, and how AJ is doing in his minutes….and of course, most importantly how Lance is doing in his minutes.
I can see two likely trajectories for him at this point…but, it’s still early.
1. He quickly gains confidence, a reliable jump shot, and a better feel for the game and becomes one of the better bench scorers in the league.
2. He continues to look out of place at either gaurd spot, but does enough good things and improves slowly, but steadily enough to remain at the end of our rotation…but we continue to search for our backup point gaurd and 6th man spark plug scorer off the bench…and someone else pays Lance for his unrealized potential next season.
I’m hoping to see #1 happen, but I fear #2 is slightly more likely.
As for his play in the ATL game. Not hating, just calling it like I see it. That looked to me like a self-absorbed underacheiver having some better luck with the ball going in the hoop. He rarely passed, played pretty reckless….but he was effective so I can’t take that away from him. It always looks better when the ball goes in the hoop. I can tell you this for sure. Nothing I saw last night made me think that the words “point gaurd” or “reliable backup” should be any less of a pipe dream than two days ago.
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I don't think he's seen as a point guard by the club, though
everything I’ve seen from the team says that when DC or Hill are on the court with Lance, he is the 2 and whichever of them is playing is running the point. I think he may be a better bench player than starter anyway, in our team – he does best with the ball in his hands as the scorer, rather than the 4th or 5th option on the floor at a given time. Hopefully his passing will develop as his maturity does but for now, he’s not in my picture as a point guard.
I think I agree with most of the rest of what you were saying, other than this: I think I see what the team sees as well, and I can see a road to Lance becoming a weapon for this team rather than a liability. It’s on him to become an adult, though.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Don't get me wrong.
I see the potential and hope he does well. I’m encouraged to hear he’s working hard and even though I think he was kinda dousch coming out of HS and in college, from what little I know, but I love a redemption story as much as the next.
I guess all I’m saying is that his jumper and decision making are a long way from being where they need to be for a instant offense 6th man, which is the best I think I can hope for in the future.
I just don’t think I was all that impressed from one game, that’s all.
peac.e
Yeah, that's fair.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jan 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Lance
is going anywhere..he’s just getting started.
Once I got past the shoes......
Once i got past the shoes and watched the player, I was impressed. Lance plays at a fast pace (yikes!) So far it seems he’s trying following directions on and off the court. Surrounded by good influences most any kid can survive.
Nice Job fellas…keep bringing him along…I do like his game
by neto? r u serious? on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions
I don't mind Lance talking some.
If he can irritate the opposing team with his mouth, I’m perfectly fine with that. Reggie Miller was one of the biggest trash talkers ever. It has a place in basketball because some players will become agitated and start trying to do things they can’t do or shouldn’t do. If you can gain a psychological advantage, do it. Now obviously Lance has to back up that talk with his play.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jan 13, 2012 2:20 AM EST reply actions
If Lance turns out to be half the player Reggie was, he can be twice the trash talker, as far as I’m concerned!
by FortWayneKarl on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
He is not even as good as Dwayne Schintzius. . .
I wouldn’t even worry about him being half as good as Miller. . . . thats a Pipe Dream.

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