NBA Free Agent Frenzy Should Include Veterans, Leaders For Pacers
Last month on a long drive home at the end of vacation, I found myself hooked on Jason Whitlock's podcasts while rolling through the Smokey Mountains. It started with a great NCAA debate with Seth Davis, then a surprisingly candid and informative discussion with Keyon Dooling, a VP for the NBA Players Association, and wrapped up with a hilarious and highly entertaining podcast about Las Vegas. J Witty, Warren Central alum, is never afraid to mix it up on any issue and is now in my regular podcast rotation.
The Keyon Dooling conversation put a thought in my head about the Indiana Pacers that continues to hang around. Of course, Whitlock is a huge Pacers fan that has been critical and dismissive of the team during their struggles the past few years, so I nearly swerved off the road when I heard him praise the Pacers and suggest that Dooling would be a great fit for the young team in need of veteran leadership off the bench and in the locker room to take the next step.
Whitlock's praise was yet another indication of how the perception of the Pacers changed and changed in a hurry at the end of last season. Whenever the labor issues end, the Pacers will be in the middle of a free agent frenzy and while much of the free agent focus is on landing a productive power forward, there will be at least five open roster spots to fill before the seaons starts which need to address other issues to help the Pacers improve.
Team chemistry and leadership are among those issues when you consider the Pacers locker room struggled to stick together through the tough times last year. There certainly weren't enough strong, veteran voices to keep things together. Danny Granger, Mike Dunleavy and Jeff Foster are follow-my-lead-on-the-court-type of guys and not the type to stand up and call players out or hold anyone accountable in the locker room. T.J. Ford pretty much stayed out of the fray as his minutes disappeared.
James Posey seemed like a good candidate to add some veteran help until we find out he challenged Frank Vogel's authority which now takes the teeth out of anything he can offer in the final year of his contract. Dahntay Jones has the strongest voice in the locker room despite is soft-spoken ways when the media mics click on. That voice can stir things up as much as it can help, but with a bigger role under Vogel, Jones delivered when called on. Still, it will be interesting to see if both of these guys remain with the Pacers through next season.
Assume both Posey and Jones remain on the roster, the Pacers still need to use a roster spot or two on a vet willing to play off the bench and stay in the ear of the young core of players. The veteran leaders that are part of the team over the next two years can help shape the future success of the team regardless of what kind of minutes or production they provide on the court because of impact they can have on a Darren Collison, a Roy Hibbert, a Paul George.
So what veteran player or players would you like to see the Pacers add to the roster to help improve the chemistry of the team?
After listening to Dooling, I'd love to see him with the Pacers as well, simply because he'd be a well of great quotes. But I'm selfish like that. Dooling's NBA career certainly hasn't gone as he envisioned when he left Missouri, yet he's carved out a nice career. I'd consider him, or any veteran point guard (Earl Watson?) a long shot for the Pacers unless they let A.J. Price and his non-guaranteed contract go.
Price could certainly be let go, especially if the Pacers are ready to go all in with Lance Stephenson, which seems plausible. Now if the team is left with Collison and Stephenson, then they will be desperate for a steady, veteran point guard prepared for a fluctuating role on the roster. So who do you want?
Another player that I'd love to see in blue and gold is Shane Battier who could be a quality asset for the organization beyond the minutes he plays. We know he's a scouting report fiend and with his reputation around the league, every team will be interested. Battier turns 33 next week and could easily join the Miami Heat or some other title-contending team as his playing career winds down.
But while he's thinking about his playing career winding down, the Pacers could lure him a little more money in the short term and a spot in the front office for the long term. I realize they can't put the front office part in the contract but they can talk about the next phase of Battier's basketball life. Whatever it takes to get him in the building would be worth it to add a quality asset and basketball mind to the organization.
Plenty of other leaders lingering out there. Who else would work well with the Pacers?
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Doneleavy's gonna be GONE
NO ONE WANTS Mike Doneleavy back,the Pacers don’t need him any more all he does is sits the bench for Brandon Rush, Paul George and now likely George Hill. Serously people would rather have Ron “Rappin Ron” Artest back then Mike Doneleavy. So stop saying the Pacers need to keep him BECAUSE IT’S NOT HAPPENING HE’S GOING TO BE PLAYING FOR A DIFFERENT TEAM NEXT SEASON. HE ISN’T WORTH MUCH MORE THEN MIN WAGE TO THE PACERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
There is something seriously wrong with you.
Did “Donelevy” sleep with your girlfriend or something? Give it a rest we all know how you feel about him, you don’t have to repeat yourself.
LET THE HATERS HATE.
by INdymayneNVegas on Sep 2, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No I just think it's stupid
That this site actually thinks the Pacers should keep a third string bench player with a PER of 5 in the playoffs in Mike Dunleavy Jr. When the Pacers need his roster spot for younger talent. Plus everyone I have talked to in person agrees with me that Mike Doneleavy and TJ Ford need to go.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 2, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Where....
Is this PER of 5 coming from? link link link<<<
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 3, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It was actually a fans word
And personally after watching Mike Doneleavy play in the NBA playoffs I think that word seems pretty valid considering the fact that Mike Dunleavy played worst against the Bulls in the playoffs then TJ Ford.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 3, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Just for the record Mike Doneleaving's playoff stats
PPG-5 (would be lower if Paul George knew how to stay out of foul trouble)
RPG-1.2
Assist-1.6
NO WAY IN HELL THAT IS A PER RATING OF 14, his playoffs per can’t be higher 7.
And I will give credit where credit is due those stats are better then TJ Ford’s, but their still not worth much more then min wage.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 3, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunleavy's playoff PER was 14.9
Third best on the team, behind Danny and……..TJ Ford
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2011.html
72 and 14 minute sample sizes. PER is a beyond worthless state for a sample that incredibly tiny.
OK I am sorry but
5 PPG, 1.3 RPG, and 1.6 Assist per game IS NOT A PER RATING OF 14.9, I think this site got Mike Donleavy’s average regular season stats mixed up with his post season stats. This season Mike Doneleavy started when Jim O’Brien second only to Kelvin Sampson as the worst basketball coach in Indiana history was head coach. Also of the 12 guys the Pacers dressed for the playoffs the only 3 who scored less points then Mike Doneleavy were TJ Ford, Brandon Rush, and Jeff Foster. For christ sakes Dahntay Jones a 4th string shooting guard scored more points then Mike Doneleavy. I think Mike Doneleavy is pretty much officially done as a Pacer.
PS. Here are some other fun filled Mike Doneleaving playoff stats
Of the 12 players the Pacers dressed for the playoffs only Dahntay Jones and TJ Ford has less rebounds then Mike Doneleaving and only Brandon Rush and TJ Ford had less field goals then Mike Doneleaving. And finally if Paul George and Brandon “I Suck” Rush knew how to stay out of foul trouble they wound have both had more rebounds and points then Dunleavy in the playoffs. I don’t know why the hell anyone would want the Pacers to keep Mike Doneleaving, his stats in the playoffs aren’t good and he plays the same position as Danny Granger, Paul George, and George Hill.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It's something that shouldn't be at 14.9 for Mike Doneleavy
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
it's also something
that you shouldn’t use at all in an “argument,” regardless of how terribly inaccurately you reference it. forget the insanely small sample size, you have no idea what it is. Dun played like shit in the playoffs. 72 minutes of PER data makes it seem like he was a league-wide average player, which he was anything but.
Honestly, how old are you? Statistics have meaning, there are many of them, they all mean different things. You cannot continually misquote a player’s playoff PER as under 5 (which’d literally be a historical low, I’m not even sure that low is mathematically possible) and then when you’re corrected with strictly factual information immediately discount your own previous argument. GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU ARE STUPID.
Dunleaving is so league average
And btw he should leave the Pacers, because the Playoffs ARE WHERE IT COUNTS. And if he’s not good in the playoffs then as far as I’m concerned he IS NO LONGER A PACER!!!!!
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like someone likes Red Bull.
Chill out dude. No one thought it would be a good idea to keep him around in major minutes. He would be a nice offensive option if we needed it in a particular situation. He would play a reliever sort of role with his 3 point capabilities. They’re always nice to have to stretch the defense out. And if you can get him for a decent price… ehhh why not. But he will end up somewhere else. He won’t take what the Pacers would offer unless it was a one year thing or something.
Doneleavy has to go
The Pacers need his spot for younger talent.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 6, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait let me re-phrase that
Mike Doneleavy will be gone next season because the Pacers need his roster spot for younger better talent.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 6, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone see Dunleavy play “defense” on Dwyane Wade? A guy in a wheelchair couldve guarded him better when went for 25 in the 1st quarter against the Pacers. I could not stand to have Dunleavy back either. Well Nick Young would be available and is cose with Paul George and Danny Granger. He’s certainly a scorer but our backcourt would be crowded. Grant Hill would be a nice choice but he prolly either is gonna stay in phoenix or try and get a title which he wont here. Kris Humphries could solve our rebounding problem. Aaron Afflalo would be a GREAT pick up.
Just saying...
But Dwyane Wade is probably the 2nd best player in the league. This is a guy that the best defenders have trouble guarding. I would lament the signing of Nick Young far more than the resigning of Dunleavy. Young is worse defensively than Dunleavy. I think Young is one of those guys that look better because they could pad their stats on a bad team.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 3, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
But i mean…. I understand it’s somewhat impossible to guard dwyane wade…. but it was literally like a shootaround for him. I was there and it was painful
yeah..
I remember.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 5, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense
That my friend is why the Pacers bringing back Ron “Rappin Ron” Artest (who I would hate to see in a Pacers uniform again) would be a better move then re-signing Mike Doneleavy. Although it would be a huge mistake bringing him back Rappin Ron would do better on the Pacers then Mike Dunleavy because at least he can play defense. All MIke Doneleavy is good for is sitting the bench behind Brandon Rush and being a mentor and that’s just not worth much more then min wage and the ability to move off and on the Ft .Wayne Mad Ants. Also in 2 seasons the Pacers will be close to 40 million under the cap, personally I would rather them go after a superstar like Dwight Howard or maybe even Kevin Love.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Sep 3, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey I'm new here!
I’m somewhat confused as to what “rebounding problem” people keep referring to. Didnt’t we finish fifth overall in rebounding??
Since your new
you should learn early that bringing in “facts” only confuses some of these people…
and one
Some of these people just like to argue about anything.
by warsawpacersfan on Sep 6, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The Pacers were only a mediocre rebounding team once you adjust their rebounding rate to their pace
the Pacers got abused by the bulls on the rebounding department all series. If the Pacers had someone like a dale davis at the 4, that bulls series might have been a lot different.
by latrell spreewel on Sep 3, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Dun
Since this idiot can’t stop talking about him,how’s him falling down not become an internet meme? Seriously, every single game he’ll take the slightest little bump in traffic, offense or defense, and just go sprawling at least 5 times. Rewatch some games and look for it, guy spends at least 40% of his floor time on the ground.
I suppose...
Just guessing, that it could be his attempt at garnering a foul call. Similar to how Reggie would flail after a shot. Or, he just has horrible balance.
I agree with you that PER is a flawed stat and is largely pointless in an argument regarding a player’s worth. Bruce Bowen had a horribly low PER (actually had a 5.4 PER his last season), but he was far from a bad basketball player.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 4, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
We did get abused in that first round, but I feel like we had the right pieces and could have won that series, we just didn’t close. And I really thought Hans would be that Dale Davis type player, especially with how he handled Boozer in game 1. Too bad he fell off after that. He’s got more of an offensive game, but if he can continue to develop I think he can be a very solid option at the 4. Getting a guy like Hill who can play very well on both sides, is going to get us going on the defensive side, which IMO is our biggest hole. I feel like we are one or two moves away from getting where we want to be.


























