Pacers Shift Direction With Scouting Department Changes
According to Adrian Wojnarowski, the Indiana Pacers didn't renew the contracts of their veteran scouts, including former scouting director, Joe Ash who has been the director of international scouting since Ryan Carr took over the scouting department (thanks for the FanShot Vernon Howell).
Woj reports, Ash along with Brian Winters and Leonard Perry weren't brought back as part of a "lockout-related cost-cutting move" by the Pacers. But it sure seems like there is more to the story when you ponder all of the possible reasons for the change in the scouting department which still includes Carr and scouts Carl Nicks and Kevin Mackey along with Kevin Pritchard as the director of player personnel.
Before Pritchard's hiring, the Pacers expected to keep their scouting department intact, which would mean renewing their contracts in July. At first blush, thinking this was merely a cost-cutting measure, I had two thoughts. First, was that this is likely temporary until the lockout is over. Also, I thought this doesn't bode well for anyone (ME) holding out hope that there will be NBA games before Christmas. If the Pacers suddenly decide in August that they're going to start trimming staff, they must not think they'll need said staff for quite awhile.
But no, I'm not giving up hope on a milder than expected lockout and the comments from Ash suggest he's not expecting to return to the Pacers which means there must be mor to the story.
"I had a great run there with Larry Bird, and appreciated the opportunity to work with Larry and the Pacers," Ash told Yahoo! Sports when reached at his Naples, Fla., home on Monday. "I would've liked to continue, but I understand the nature of the business. Hopefully something else will turn up once [the lockout] gets sorted out."
This news appears to be more of a shift in direction than a mere cost-cutting manuever -- although, it could serve both purposes at once. With Pritchard on board along with Carr, you have two quant-friendly leaders in the scouting department. Prichard may have an eye on other scouts he's familiar with who are adept at applying advanced statistical analysis.
Ash is an "old school" scout who was likely making good money as a long-time scout with the Pacers. Plus, the Pacers haven't had much success trying to tap into the international player market. Don't worry, though, we will certainly give Ash his propers should Stanko Barac arrive in Indy to make a positive impact in the future.
Still, I can't help but wonder how much of an impact Pritchard had on this move. He's been reported to be a candidate for the Toronto GM job. Is he using a little leverage to bring in a scout or two?
According to this staff listing published on July 21st, which include Frank Vogel and all of his assistants, the full scouting staff, with Ash, Winters and Perry, was still included. Seems like they would've been re-upped by late July so we either have a plausible clerical error or an equally plausible change in the directrion of the scouting staff.
Well, change may be a little strong, more like a shift in direction with the leaders taking on a bigger role and more control.
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There is also one other possible side note to this. Pacers dont want younger players and this could be a sign of Larry (probably in his last year) looking to trade his 1st rounder for next year. One domino had already fallen seeing Larry didn’t want rookies in this last draft and since we’ll be even older i don’t see him wanting another rookie. Now he’s majorly cutting down on his scouts before the next draft because he knows he wont have anymore draft picks here anymore. Just a thought.
We trade our 1st for something other than a no brainer
I’m pissed. Really pissed. Say we top out next year as a 6 seed, which I think is a legit top end, in the East that probably puts us in the 17-20 range. This draft is LOADED. There’re going to be a lot of 2nd rounders that’d be top 20 guys this past year. I’m looking at you Thomas Robinson (even though he’ll surely skyrocket into at least the top 10). Yes, we’re young. But we’re not OKC.
Would you trade it for Pau Gasol?
I don’t really think the Lakers would do it, just trying to get an idea of what it would take.
I’m not against trading our 1st rounder next year, especially if we could get a proven player (preferably a 4). It’d be interesting if we could rope Kevin Love, though I’m sure Kahn wouldn’t listen. There’s obviously a lot of players that I would give up the 1st rounder for. I won’t going listing them all since there are tons and they’re all pretty self-evident. (I suppose I’m agreeing with your thought process then)
Like you said the draft is deep next year and I’m really excited about all the possible moves that could be made, should be interesting.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 9, 2011 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely not
I have absolutely no interest in Gasol. And it’s not a knock on Pau, but think of the fit. It’s not really a just comparison (at all) but Pau and Roy have somewhat the same strengths/weaknesses, Pau’s just FAR better offensively obviously, but he doesn’t defend outside the paint (or inside it compared to Roy) any better and certainly isn’t the mobile tough minded big we need to take the “next step.” The guy’s 31 and gets paid 17+ the next 3 years, that alone is a complete nonstarter for me. Makes us a lot better? Clearly. Makes us legit contenders, which is what he’d have to do given the salary and what we’d have to give? A strong probably not. I want to get better as much as the next guy, but my better doesn’t mean something like a 2nd round exit/weak ECF contender, and that’s what I think Pau’d take us to; and then what?
Want the truth? I think Varejao makes us a better team than Pau next season. In a vacuum, not even taking into account money/what we’d have to give up. Just strictly put one on the squad for free. And I don’t give a shit what any Cleveland media says. that franchise is downright stupid if they don’t put him on the market. He’s got a market value salary, still plenty young (28 I think). He’s not “tough and hard nosed” but who is today, but he boards and defends, plays the backside of penetration better than anyone not named Horford to let Roy either stick to his man or float to the rim and protect with just enough of a back to basket game to keep interior defenders honest. Win us a title? Pretty doubtful, but at 3 years younger and less than half the price, get that shit done Larry.
Varejao + a 1st down the road for a 2012 (or whenever the next draft is) top 20ish protected 1st + Hans provided we can keep McBob at a reasonable deal, we’re in business. Still leaves us plenty of in-season capspace to get a playmaking wing or just be patient and try and deal for one in the future. We’re honestly not THAT far if DC, PG, Hill, and dare I say it, Lance mature like they should.
Or we just luck into Thomas Robinson. There’s no NBA next year, there’ll be plenty of time to watch Kansas. You’ll see what I’m talking about.
Good point.
Pau isn’t the answer, probably.
That seems like a reasonable trade for Varejao, not something that I’d really love, just solid. I would feel inclined to just keep Hans and the 1st in this situation though. While Varejao would make us better, I’m just not sure it would be enough to rationalize his acquisition.
Checked out Thomas Robinson, dude is really athletic/physical. He would fit very well next to Hibbert, if he plays up to his potential. However, from what I can read up on him, it seems like he’s raw offensively and foul prone. Obviously, those are areas that can be improved with work. He’s certainly going to have the opportunity to show up now that the Morris’ twins are gone. The biggest problem with him is probably just the fact he went to KU.
I’m holding out hope that we can get a top PG in next years draft, specifically Myck Kabongo. He would be everything I could ask for in a point guard, <3.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 9, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What team you watching???
The Pacers are set at PG!!!
by FortWayneKarl on Aug 9, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Please not Varejao...
Every time they flash him on TV during a game, I think for a split second that I’m somehow watching the WNBA! We don’t need a softy like him or Gasol playing next to Hibbert, who is already a softy himself (at least between the ears).
by FortWayneKarl on Aug 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm looking young here.
Al Jefferson maybe, even though his contract is ugly. A package for Eric Gordon is a dream but that won’ t happen. I mean honestly I don’t really know. The last two trade acquitions by the Pacers were ones where people thought they were unattainable. I’m waiting for someone to say Blatche or Beasley and you can go ahead and forget it. Jason Thompson along with something else would be nice. Hell a three team trade involving Josh Smith wouldnt be outta the picture. They wouldnt want a draft pick but something could be worked out where we send another team a draft pick and they send the Hawks a center. Maybe even Al Jefferson to the Hawks and we get Josh Smith. Who knows?

























