Trade idea for Al Jefferson

by Jeffersap on Jul 1, 2011 12:54 PM EDT

Jazz fan here. Let's cut to the chase.

Chicago gets Dahntay Jones or Brandon Rush

Utah gets 2013 Indiana Pick (protected to top 17 protected; Top 14 protected thereafter), Chicago 2013 pick (top 20 protected, James Posey, Indiana filler contract (AJ Price maybe? There needs to be about 800,000 Indy salary from somewhere to make this work. Doesn't have to be Price, just an example of how to make it work)

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Maybe

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To sum up: Indy is trading a heavily protected 2013 first rounder, the corpse of Posey, JOnes or Rush and a filler contract for Al Jefferson

by Jeffersap on Jul 1, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, I'd do it in a heartbeat

The tricky part would be convincing Chicago to part with a future draft pick for Rush or Jones. Rush is expiring, and most likely sucks. Jones has two years left, and most likely doesn’t suck (at least not defensively), but he is not offensive upgrade to what they already have, so I can’t see them wanting either.

I think an unprotected 2013 Indiana pick and Posey would be a fair deal for Jefferson (and throwing in Rush would be fine with me too, if the Jazz wanted him). That’s about all I’d be willing to give, anyway. Another option would be taking back even more bad salary, like Posey, Rush, Price and the pick for Jefferson and Raja Bell, or even Jefferson and Okur (not bad salary, but a huge immediate cap savings for the Jazz, during the only year they’re in cap trouble). But with the lockout, it’s going to be a while before we even determine whether such a salary dump would be possible, let alone realistic.

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by LukeNukem on Jul 1, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions

I could see Chicago having that same sentiment on the deal...

…however. They are obviously in position to win and continue to tweak. I can see how Rush could be viewed as an slight upgrade over just about all their SGs. He’s cheap and won’t cost much to resign if he works out. He fits their better than here b/c they really just need a solid defender/spot up shooter. They have both, but he give them this in one player rather than two (Brewer and Korver).

They would probably assume, with that kind of protection on the 2013 pick and the fact that they have two picks in 2012 (thought they may not get the Bobcats for a couple years), that they wouldn’t be loosing a whole lot on that 2013 pick.

I could see the Chicago portion of this happening. Not saying it will, or should, but it could.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 2, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sorry

But I don’t see any situation where Rush is worth more than a late first rounder. Doesn’t compute to me.

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by LukeNukem on Jul 2, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Uh...isn't that what we're talking about here?

Not just a late 1st, but one that will be protected well into the future…I think.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 2, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions

No. You said Chicago might want Rush instead of their 2013 pick

I disagree. To me, Rush is utter garbage, and assuming we have a 2011-12 season, his stock is just going to sink. There’s no way he squeezes any meaningful PT into that hypothetical rotation. I think he’s a worthless sack of vagina slime. Granted, Im drunk right now. But whateve.r He is crap. No one wants him.

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by LukeNukem on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps.

His numbers say he’s not quite that bad. Besides, depending on what you think of Vaginas and their excretions…that might be a good thing.

I think we all wanted alot more out of him than he gave us. However, on a team with a good coach a dynamic back court player and some solid big men, I think he’s worth more to Chicago, right now than a future 25th-ish pick. I’m not just saying he’ll contribute more in 2011/12 than a 2013 pick; that’s obvious, I’m saying there’s probably like an 80% chance that Rush will be worth more to that franchise than anyone they can draft in the mid-to-late 20’s in 2013. If he doesn’t work out they still have Charlotte’s pick and only wasted a year with him. However, if he does work out, he’ll allow Korver and/or Brewer to be traded.

The bigger problem with this scenario than Rush’s value to the Bulls I think is the fact that I think they’d have to move some sallary to do it and I don’t think Korver or Brewer are worth what they are owed on the open market. So, that’s the problem I see.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 2, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Why would they do this trade?

There is no real value in it for the Jazz or Bulls. A first round draft pick? Jefferson is a solid proven post player. It doesn’t seem like they would be interested.

by hammond on Jul 1, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions

The Jazz would do it to get out from under Jefferson's contract because he is now redundant

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by LukeNukem on Jul 1, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Is this is a realistic trade scenario?

Luke your post “Team-by-team big men we could trade for” was really nicely put together. I noticed you had this as an option for the Pacers. Do you think the Jazz would really pull the trigger on this?

by hammond on Jul 1, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions

I proposed this trade and am a Jazz fan

Here’s the thing with Al and the Jazz a) we have Kanter and Favors, who will both probably be better than Al b) Al is expensive and c) yes, there is value for the Jazz. In this scenario, we’d get 2 future 1sters, immediate savings of about 4 million dollars (significant for our owners—they aren’t super wealthy), and an expiring contract that we can either flip or let expire and we get $13 million in savings 2 seasons from now. It’s not like Al has the trade value of Melo.

by Jeffersap on Jul 1, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Remember when we traded for Jermaine O'neal?

He was playing terribly. But, he had HUGE upside. We gave up Dale Davis, and got a gem. Is there anyone like that out there?

by hammond on Jul 1, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

...

Jordan Hill?

Thug Life. It's a Pacers thing, you wouldn't get it.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Jul 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Jason thompson?

by BenD on Jul 2, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Thaddeus Young

The FAULK

by incredibleFAULK on Jul 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

I'd do it

But just because it’d be so cheap, I’m not a fan of bringin Jefferson in. I have the feeling I’d immediately regret it as soon as we can’t flip AlJeff for a better fit.

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by IndyPacers on Jul 1, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions

Perhaps.

I’m not in love with bringing in Jefferson. But, he was a decent shot blocker at one point, not sure if he’ll ever get that back. But, he also only has two years left and you’d be lying to yourself if you said he wasn’t a significant upgrade over any big men we have.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 2, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Last season was his highest shot blocking of his career, I believe.

by Jeffersap on Jul 3, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah...

Must not have looked at his stats since all the trade rumors last summer.

So, I like this deal even more then. I know there’s alot more to post defense than just shot blocking, but I love a guy that can get his mits on an opponents shot.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 3, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Thx for sharing, great post...............

yeah, I think I’d have to do it especially now that we have G3. I I think it would be great for the Jazz. Chicago will contend for at least next few years, so their pick will be a late one, Im sure, and Rush is young and would fit in perfect for what they wanna do; as a spot up shooter/ good perimeter defender and would be better than anything they’d get at 26+ and waiting for them to develope. We would be the ones gambling the most and would probably wanna trade our 2014 or if it’s 2013 than top 20 protected, but more or less yes I’d see us getting something done if Utah called us with it.

by Justin Arnold on Jul 1, 2011 7:28 PM EDT reply actions

Are we the only one theoretically in the Al Jefferson market? Is he rumored any where else?

If not… f’em… hold out until they just need a salary dump and we keep our pick. Utah is not going to want to keep all 4 of those guys. It makes no sense. And we are one of the few teams that could absorb the salary

by dbcb on Jul 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions

Everything will change

If there’s no season next year, all of a sudden he’s an expiring contract and their cap situation isn’t so bad. If there is a season and the cap goes down significantly, all of a sudden we can’t really afford him (and neither can most other teams who need him) and Utah’s screwed.

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by LukeNukem on Jul 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions

The cap ain't going down much....

…I don’t believe it at all. There may be a signing cap that is slightly lower (or maybe slightly higher) and there may be a hard flex cap above that signing cap. How freakin’ low do you think it will go? Even if we re-sign Hibbert, we’ll have plenty to take on Jefferson unless the cap is like below $40mil. or something. So what happens to all the GUARANTEED money that teams owe above $40mil. beyond 2011/12? It ain’t happening.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

My assumption is that they will give teams time to get down to a hard cap

Like until 2016-17, as that would give last summer’s deals 6 years to expire. Ideally, they would give teams until 2017 to reach like $62 million, and whatever they did in the meantime was penalized in a similar fashion to the current CBA (like luxury tax). That way the Pacers could absorb bad salary that was only bad for the next couple years (like Jefferson) and not suffer any long-term consequences like they would if they signed bad money via the free agent market (like David West is likely to command).

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by LukeNukem on Jul 2, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok. I thought you were talking something a little more bleak.

I think that sounds quite possible. I feel like there’s so much wrong with the NBA, I have to wonder what all they can fix.

peac.e

by trucutter on Jul 2, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions

If this trade was to happen!

I think it would put us as a fourth seed. I also we have the chance to beat any of the top 3 teams in the east.(chance) I also feel that we would have the best front court in east.I really think we would be solid all the way round with this trade.

by Trent Sutton on Jul 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions