Pacers' Draft Possibilities: Kenneth Faried
by Ian Levy on Jun 7, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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With the Draft Lottery complete, the Early Entry List set, and the NBA Draft fast approaching, it's time to examine more in depth some of the players who could be available for the Pacers. Over the next few weeks I'll be trying to put together as many profiles as possible. Instead of identifying players as specific targets for either Pacers' pick, I'm just going to cover a pool of players I think are possibilities. You'll find some players who the Pacers would likely have to trade up or down for. I've also expressed my opinion that the Pacers need to be focused on talent as much as fit so players at all five positions will be included.
These profiles are not intended to advocate for one player over another, just examine their strengths and weaknesses, and discuss in some detail what they have to offer. For each profile I provided Ten Important Statistics to guide the discussion. Today we'll be looking at:
Kenneth Faried - PF - 6'7.75" 225 lbs. - Morehead State University
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Pts/40 |
Reb/40 |
Stl/40 |
Blk/40 |
FG% |
FT% |
FT/40 |
FTA/FGA |
TO/40 |
USG% |
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20.5 |
17.2 |
2.3 |
2.8 |
62.3% |
57.7% |
8.9 |
0.64 |
3.1 |
22.8 |
Current DraftExpress Projection: Round 1, Pick #20
Strengths:
- Plays with maximum effort and energy at all times, provides extra possessions with hustle and pursuit of loose balls
- The NCAA's All-Time leading rebounder, uses strength, athleticism, physicality and constant hustle to make a difference on the glass
- Has all the tools to be an excellent individual defender
- Does a great job getting to the free throw line, is very effective finishing at the rim
Weaknesses:
- Lacks some height and lower body strength for an NBA power foward
- At this point he's an extremely limited offensive player. Struggles with his jumpshot, poor free throw shooter, doesn't always make good decisions passing out of double teams, won't score much in the post without some sort of mismatch
- Played in the center of a 2-3 zone in college, doesn't have much experience with man to man defense
Impressions:
More Information:
- DraftExpress Profile
- ESPN Draft Profile
- NBADraft.net Profile
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Love the insight
I just want to thank you for taking the time to put together the info on these potential Pacers. I thought the NCAA season was pretty exciting but you wouldn’t know it by looking at these mock projections. I haven’t heard of several of these guys that are listed.
Did anyone catch PTI and the “rumors” of Chris Paul for Russell Westbrook? Don’t know the truth in that but it got me thinking about a nice menage-a-trade. What about Paul to OKC, Westbrook to Pacers, Collison/parts/picks to Hornets? Just (wishful) thinking out loud.
by STLPacerFan on Jun 7, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve heard that speculated about on the internet, but I think we’d have to give up Paul George or Hibbert in addition to Collison. While I don’t like the thought of giving up George at all, if it netted us Westbrook we’d have to do it.
im not sure about that
i was really high on westbrook up until this season. takes way too many shots for a point guard. he also has no jumper, but tends to jack up shots at times.
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by wonillionaire on Jun 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
More info please...
If there is another legitimate website reporting the possibility of the Pacers getting in on such a trade, can you please post it’s web address? I had not heard about the Pacers getting involved, but the possibility of moving Westbrook seems highly likely to me. New Orleans fans seemed to like Collison and if we could package another piece that could get us Westbrook in a three way trade, Bird should do it. Even if it means that we have to trade George. George has great potential, but Granger would be a better complimentary player to Westbrook. If we want to compete with the Bulls for division titles, Westbrook is the best player we could acquire. He is a hell of a competitor and his personality would make him the team leader the minute he walks into the locker room. Athleticism and leadership would be addressed with such a move. Pacers still would need to address power forward. I would love to see Ibaka in a Pacers uniform. He is the type of player we need at the 4.
Westbrook – team leader, supreme athlete
Rush – defensive minded, three point threat
Granger – jack of all trades
Ibaka – defensive presence, rebounder
Hibbert – low post presence
That would be a balanced team if Hibbert can develop.
by thomasezekiel77 on Jun 7, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys
There is no possible way the Thunder lose Ibaka AND Westbrook for a net gain of CP3. Paul is a better pure PG than Westbrook, but remember, Westbrook’s been playing that position for only like 3 years of his life (he was only a spot replacement at PG in college when Collison was injured). He’s got a lot of growth to do, and I’m sure they don’t want to give up on him for someone older, more expensive and more injury-prone. Not to say CP3 isn’t one of the greatest-he is. But IF they wanted him, I’d be very surprised if they didn’t think Westbrook for CP3 is as much of a fair value as they’d receive…they wouldn’t want to let go of a fan-favorite like Ibaka who’s still growing and improving (and is also very cheap at the moment).
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you are correct, sir.
Yeah, the part about acquiring Ibaka is a stretch. Cp3’s contract is considerably larger than Westbrook’s. I know that we have cap room to take on a larger contracts, as does OKC. But in looking for a scenario that would please New Orleans, unless they are looking to dump salary, I would think they would want more back than Collison, Hibbert, and two mid to late first rounders. While Hibbert has a low ceiling due to a lack of athleticism, we do not have another player who can develop into a low post threat, so I would hesitate to trade him. Small forward is the position we have depth at should trade George or Granger.
by thomasezekiel77 on Jun 7, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what it would probably take to get Westbrook (without trading Paul George)
NOR gets Collison, Hibbert, the #15 and the #24
OKC gets Paul
IND gets Westbrook
Don’t think OKC does it if they have to lose the draft pick. Don’t think NOR does it until they’re sure Paul is going to sign somewhere else next year. Don’t think Indy does it if they’re left with a gaping hole at center with no draft pick to address it this year.
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Faried incites a mental death match in my head.
On one hand, he is really undersized, offensively challenged, and hails from a small school in a small conference. On the other hand, he is a ball of energy with effective rebounding and defensive skills.
The problem with his strengths is that his size could make them largely void. Then again, several guys have had success despite their size.
I’m really on the fence when it comes to Faried… Mmmm…. I feel like I shouldn’t like him at 15, but I can’t say no definitively.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
agreed, but...
The one stat that translates best to NBA (IIRC) is rebounding and this guy’s got it in spades. I agree that chances are he’ll either reach his potential as a great rebound/defense/hustle guy or won’t be in the league in a couple years.
Personally, I’m a fan. Without making other major moves, I think he would fit well in between Granger and Hibbert by filling in the holes in their games. And that would allow us to put Hansbrough in the second unit, providing some scoring punch there.
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I've accepted that we're probably not going to get a long-term starter at #15
If we’re going to be drafting a role player I like Jimmer, Singleton or Faried. What each of them does best, (shooting, defense, rebounding), they do better than anyone else in the draft does any particular skill.
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Only way I would want Faried is if we traded Hans. Although Hans doesn’t rebound as well and is a better scorer, they are both energy guys off the bench. I’d rather have Faried than Hans personally though.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
Agree
I’m not a huge Faried fan, but if we could somehow swing a trade for an offensive upgrade at PF then maybe trade back an draft Faried later. Like let’s say we did a deal for Charlotte’s 19 and 39 or Houston’s 23 and 38. We could take Faried with the first of those two picks and someone like Reggie Jackson, Kieth Benson, Iman Shumpert or Malcolm Lee with the second. Then we could offer Hansbrough and the #42 to Utah (if they end up with Kanter) for Millsap. They’d get a quick cap savings and a guy who’s not that much worse than Millsap. We’d get a more versatile scorer with a bigger body to start at PF with Faried coming in off the bench to provide help with rebounding.
For those (who shall remain nameless) who think I’m just in love with Millsap, I’m not, he’s just an easy target if the Jazz draft Kanter. There will surely be other options to pursue in a trade, just not such obvious ones.
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by Justin Arnold on Jun 7, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright I cant stand it...I tried......
but why would you rather have Millsap than Hans? I guess he was probably better than Hans in the post last year, but Hans WILL get better. Last year was, essentially his rookie year, and I thought he did great . And Millsaps even smaller isnt he? Al Jefferson, i could see over Hans, but Millsap?!?
by Justin Arnold on Jun 7, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe that Hansbrough will ever develop a legit NBA post game
His bread and butter (and I’m fine with this) is his WIDE OPEN 15-20 footer. When’s the last time he backed someone down? He was able to spastically flop through the lane in college because he constantly got foul calls, but in the pros he’s simply not coordinated enough. He has a nice little baseline face-up, jab-step jumper, but then, so did Austin Croshere.
I like Hans as a bench energy loose ball chasing rabidly crazy makes the other team uncomfortable isn’t afraid to bite you type. But as far as bodying a LaMarcus Aldridge/Zach Randolph/Kevin Love type down on the low block, throwing up a shot fake and getting to the rim for an and-1? Not happenin.
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I agree with you somewhat, I would bring in Faried for defense more on guys like that though with help if need be. Well said though, but i disagree and think Hans can develope and refine his post play etc. and you didnt really answer why you’d rather have Millsap though, because Id probably have to argue i wouldnt want Millsap bodying those guys in that situation either. Seems to me when Utah was good, they ended up getting killed( by LA ) because of Millsap and Boozer IMO.
by Justin Arnold on Jun 7, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Millsap is only one option
He’s bigger and stronger than Hansbrough, and has an old-school back-to-the basket game. Notice I wouldn’t give up much for him. If the Jazz wanted more than Hansbrough OR (not AND) the 15th pick I’d say no. There are other prototypical 4/5s out there, I’m just not sure they’re available. There are also freak athlete 4/5s out there (Josh Smith/Tyson Chandler) I’m just not sure they’re worth the money or would make the team that much better. Millsap’s unique because he’s kind of cheap and he’s a proven commodity as a low-post scorer with a big body. I can picture him and Hansbrough averaging about the same amount of points and rebounds per game as starters, I just think the weight, strength, footwork and coordination that Hansbrough gives up to traditional fours would be worth swapping him for someone who only makes $3 mil more per year (I bet Hansbrough will eventually be on a Paul Millsap-esque contract anyway).
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I can see what your saying.............
but i guess we ll have to agree to disagree, I dont think its anymore than a lateral move IMHO.
by Justin Arnold on Jun 7, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Man you think highly of Hansborough
you do realize Milsap is less than a year older than hans right?
And milsap is a better scorer, defender, rebounder… everything?
Did you not see what happened to hans int he playoffs? He got pwned.
I understand it is "officially "his rookie year last year but he is nearly 26 years old already…
And you continue to devalue him.
Based mostly, from what I can see, on his performance in one playoff series vs a much more experience opponent. But even more, based on what draft evaluators from a couple of years ago predicted.
Hansbrough is still raw, it is true, but improving. Remember, due to injury and JOB’s idiotic rotations Hans hasn’t even played a complete season in his 2 years as a Pacer.
by Manfred James on Jun 9, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather pass
I like him as a player and I think his rebounding will translate, but I don’t see him improving this team. I think drafting him would give us a similar power forward rotation as the Hansbrough McBob rotation we had last year only I think Fareid would be a step down. He’s an energy guy off the bench and we already have our energy guy off the bench of the future in Hansbrough. I’d like to see us get a power forward with actual power forward size or draft another position. I would rather see us resign McBob for another year or two than try to develop Fareid and hope he hits his ceiling of energy guy off the bench.
Wouldn’t hate it. Wouldn’t love it.
Need starter quality at PF tbh, not more bench. I’d rather have a offensively challenged rebounder like him than a defensive challenged kinda scorer like Hans personally but I have never been the biggest tyler fan…
It would signal the end of McBob though I would think… if we are stuck on Hibbert as the C of the future then Faried makes since…
But… meh
Hollinger's College PER...
Hollinger’s PER is a statistic that gets tossed around a lot and people either enjoy his statistics, or think he’s a load of dookie. I’m on the side that loves his analysis. For the 2010-2011 school year, no player had a higher college PER than Kenneth Faried. Look it up!
Granted, of the top 10 players on Hollinger’s college PER, only 5 of them are first-round talent. So, it’s not a end-all-be-all way to look at how a player could transition to the pros. However, a guy who leads the nation in PER has to be at least an above-average NBA player. Right?
PER is just another example of how good a player Faried is expected to be. While I don’t think he’ll be the best player from this draft, I think he’s a solid can’t-miss type of player. A ton of GM’s who’ve watched him workout all have the same comment in regards to Faried, “He does everything hard.”
He has the stuff the Pacers desperately need from a big – rebounding and shot blocking. There’s no way he shouldn’t be able to average 10/10/1.5 in the NBA. That’s solid production.
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Please watch his whole draftexpress interview and you cant tell me this young mans not special. I saw it in his game, I see it in his interview, the guys gonna be special. You cant tell me Hibbert, PG, and Faried wouldnt be doing Kung- Fu or something in a month or so. IMO, he looks not only like a great fit skill wise, but also a great fit in the locker room. I would love to see Hans and Faried pushing each other to higher and higher levels of play, help each other with weaknesses and covering them on the floor, by good coaching and a great big man rotation IMO.
There is guys I like better in this draft, but I doubt they are there at 15. Of guys that might or will be there, I would like to see us get in no particular order, Faried, Jimmer, Singleton, or Brooks. Second round probably corey joseph or greg smith. I would also love to see us trade back, buy more picks or something similar to add more young talent and/or high upside/ high risk guys. Also, Matt Howard and/ or Josh Harrellson as undrafted rookies to add to the camp roster for added competition and drive.
Found this nugget on Blazers edge and thought Id share with everyone.......
“That’s Dennis Rodman all over again,” Florida coach Billy Donovan said after the game. “If I were an NBA general manager, I’d be taking him with my pick. That’s what a next-level guy looks like. He just totally destroyed our frontcourt.”
How can He help us Defensively?
The scouting report shows one of his biggest question marks is his inexperience in defense. He is also undersized and has weak lower body strength.
This is not a good recipe for a defensive PF in the NBA. He can definetly hit the gym and get stronger and work on his D. Im not questioning his effort to do so. Im just worried about him being 6’7 and playing PF. Im not sure if he could hold his own. Definetly a great rebounder and very athletic, but he played against a very weak conference where he was playing against 6’9 centers. But he did play great in the tourney.
Personally I think if we take a PF it should either be Tristan Thompson or one of the Morris Twins. If these PFs are not available we should take a dynamic scoring SG like Marshon Brooks or Alec Burks.
It said his inexperience was with man to man D, luckily a couple years ago NBA made zone D legal.....
by Justin Arnold on Jun 7, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
dude youre reaching
Nobody plays zone for more than like ten pct of a game. Not to mention zone defenses are predicated on size and length. Those things help unathletic teams make up for lack of speed and quickness. Faried is not so good on the size and length departments
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by LukeNukem on Jun 8, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His rebounding and shot blocking improved all four years in college
That’s a good indication of his ability to continue to make progress.
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by incredibleFAULK on Jun 8, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Or an indication that he's topped out?
Hard to say. I know he’s a hard worker, but how much can we expect a guy his size to improve when he’s suddenly thrust into a league where he’s literally the 2nd or 3rd smallest guy at his position?
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Antonio Davis went to UTEP....
Dennis Rodman went to Southeastern Oklahoma State and measured 6-6 220 lbs. Charles Barkeley was a GREAT rebounder and is said to not have been over 6-4.
Good point but both of those players are Hall of Famers
Those are two out of a hundred or so undersized players that were not able to play at a high level like them.
But Faried has potential to be good. I personally would like us to pick up another draft pick to get him.
I would really like to see us get either Marshon and Faried or Marshon and Marcus Morris. But if we dont there is 4 or 5 players I would take over him.
Those other undersized PF's weren't being compared to Rodman or Barkley either
Faried has been.
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by incredibleFAULK on Jun 8, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Heres a few recent "undersized PF" that have been good players/good rebounders...............Kenneth Faried 6-8
Lou Amundson 6-9, Darrell Arthur 6-9, Brandon Bass 6-8, DeJuan Blair 6-8, Boozer 6-9, Reggie Evans 6-8, David Lee 6-9, Paul Milsap 6-8, Josh Smith 6-9, Luis Scola 6-9, Ben Wallace 6-9, David West 6-9.
I mean look at the blocks D Wade put on Tyson Chandler, you dont have to be 7-3 to be a force on the boards/defense. Faried will work hard and develop a better offensive game, but his team defense and rebounds willl translate right away.
woah
The only one of those guys who isn’t at least 15 pounds heavier than faried (not counting amundson bc he’s never been a real starter) is smith, and he’s not that great if a rebounder
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by LukeNukem on Jun 8, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dennis Rodman was 220......
I dont think that 15 lbs you speak of cant be overcome with technique, heart and execution. Not to mention food and getting into the Pacers strength program.
Werent you high on signing Amunson at one time?
by Justin Arnold on Jun 8, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We've had this discussion before
When Rodman was leading the league in rebounding guys like Dwight Howard didn’t exist. Look at the rebounding leaders last year. Only Humphries, Randolph and Love were elite rebounders under 6’10 (if I recall…I made this case on another thread one time) and they all outweigh Faried substantially. Call it evolution of the game, or call it roids if you’re a cynic, but Rodman played against smaller (at least skinner and easier to block out) competition.
When I played basketball in high school (and I know, people hate those “when I played” stories, but hear me out) I was the team’s best rebounder and shot blocker, despite being like 3-4 inches shorter than my competition at PF or C. I had long arms, good timing and was incredibly good at blocking out. That’s Faried. Even in a mid-major conference he’s a couple inches shorter than everyone, and he dominates because he’s really good at rebounding. But like me, when I ran against D-1 prospects like Jared Jeffries and Sean May (and even JaJuan Johnson in a pickup game) who were several inches taller and several pounds heavier and just as, if not exponentially more athletic and good at rebounding as I was, it wasn’t even fair. Faried is getting ready to see what it’s like to go against the most elite players in the world. I think he’ll outwork the lazy ones, but at least half of them won’t even have to try to reach over him. It’s not like he’s going to get calls in the league. 7-8 rebounds per 36 and some hustle plays each game is about all I can realistically expect.
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