Where to go in Free Agency for SF, PF, and C?
by actionjack853 on Jun 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
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too much wrong with this post
like mentioning Dalembert as a SF…
nah my computer has a wonky spyware thing so I had to post this in a different HTML version so i couldn’t put spaces … dalembert was the last C option …
by actionjack853 on Jun 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thx for clearing that up........
IMO George, Rush, and Posey will be fine.
by Justin Arnold on Jun 25, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a couple of names I would like to add to this roster
Re-sign McRoberts. It will cost you 2-4 million a year. He is 24 years old and he is very full of potential. He has gotten better every year and I only look for him to improve for the future.
Dalembert is not going to the pacers unless you overpay him. He will prolly play for a team that has a chance to win a championship, I can see him in Boston.
D. West is intriguing to me. IDK how he can opt out of 8.5 million coming off of an ACL injury. But if he does, do you give him 4 yrs 45 million at 31 yrs old. IDK about that.
I dont see a need at the SF position. Between Jones, Granger, and George I think that you are very well set in that position. Point Guard and Shooting Guard are pretty well set now with DC, LS, GH, and PG. Brandon Rush will likely be on the way out as well as James Posey.
You will have a manageable rotation at the PF if you can Resign McBob. Hans and Mcbob can continue to develop. I think you need a Defensive 4-5 guy via trade of free agency.
Earl Clark
Would be a cheap for guy for depth at the 4 behind Hans and McBob
Sheldon Williams
Cheap 4-5 guy that can fill minutes
Shawne Williams
Why not go and get the player we drafted now that he has matured and he would be pretty cheap and efficient. Did a well job on lebron also.
Nazr Mohammed
He would be a good back up center for cheap
Reggie Evans
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by rockguyinindy on Jun 24, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Wilcox
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by rockguyinindy on Jun 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
my take
I like dalembert a lot as a backup c but I heard somewhere that Miami wants him, and if there’s still a mle they’d prolly use it on him. Don’t know how true that is, but if so he still has more value than id want to spend on him
I like Thad young and kris humphries to some extent, but id really like a guy to backup both pf and c, and neither of them can.
Shooting for the moon would be a trade for al jefferson, which im 50/50 about. More modestly we could approach houston for jordan hill, as they try to make room for their new rookie forwards. I still like brandon bass, though he can’t guard centers. Same for chuck hayes. Anyone who knows me knows id love to explore a Paul millsap trade. Any one of those “big” name types would likely ensure that wed have to resign foster and/or dunleavy because they’d be cheap. Im also intrigued at the prospect of bringing over stanko. Glenn davis is not my favorite but he could be affordable. Jonas jerebko is one of my favorites and he will be too. Tyrus Thomas could likely be had in a salary dump now that they have bismack. Don’t know if I want him but he would improve the interior defense (see smackdown at the hands of Utah frontcourt)
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by LukeNukem on Jun 24, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
MILSAP!
I love me some Milsap. Even if Jefferson fills more of a need (back to the basket scorer).. Milsap is Hans on steroids.
If you want Al Jefferson, I'd trade him for your 2012 pick (top 5 protected)
If you’re far enough under the cap, Posey’s expiring deal and the Murphy exemption should cover it salary cap wise.
i woudln't trade our pick unless it came with a top 20 protection
next years draft is going to be DEEP
ditto.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 25, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't
Can’t trade in consecutive years…have to make a draft pick every other year
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Mm..
You can actually trade a draft pick in consecutive years after the previous draft has ended. So, technically we can.
The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can’t trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.
source:
<http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q74>
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 25, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Still wouldn't EVER trade out of 2012 draft
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Agreed.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 26, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade exemption was traded for George........
you sure you dont want Granger and Paul George too?
by Justin Arnold on Jun 25, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't need the exemption anyway
We’re far enough under to take back all of Jefferson’s contract for only a draft pick, not that I’d say we should do that.
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Fav 4's that we could get
Landry, Jermaine via trade, Wilcox, R. Evans, West (50-50), Dalembert, but we all know he is joining the 3 kings. DeAndre for damn sure BUT Blake and him are best of pals and he’s not goin anywhere. Not to sure about G.Davis. However we go with the bigs we need a couple of SOLID VETS to mentor Tyler and Roy. So a couple of guys like Jermaine, Wilcox, Evans as well as Dalembert and West should be a target. SF’s, Earl Clark or Al Thorton would fill that spot even though they will only play around 15-18 mins a game. We have a good team guys…..These free agents are starting to realize it.
PS…..Yeah Luke, Milsap also, but we would have to give up too much prob.
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We'll never pry him from Philly
Thats they’re man…I would love to see him come here and even take over for Granger….Perhaps a sign and trade???? But hells yes.
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by rockguyinindy on Jun 24, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He would be a great fit. Gives a lot of hustle. Plays 2 positions…. which would be great seeing that we get George Hill who can play both guards and Thaddeus who can play both forwards. That’s huge especially when injuries happen.
Except
We don’t currently have a forward who can play center. I love Young, but I think a viable 4/5 combo would be better, if one exists. Or at least a backup center should be a priority. Jeff Foster is very injury prone and Solomon Jones/Josh McRoberts were, um, pretty ineffective at the backup 5 last year to say the least.
I’m actually starting to turn into a DeAndre Jordan fan. I don’t think he could play many minutes at PF, but 5-10 mpg there wouldn’t kill us, with another 20 for him coming at center. At the very least we should offer him a rich deal so that if LA matches they have less money they’d feel comfortable throwing at Eric Gordon next summer.
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I'd be down on Jordan.
Of course, I think he would probably supplant Hibbert after a short while. Making Hibbert a suddenly viable trade asset. >.>
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 24, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My Big-man list
I think you a limited on what you can get in free agency when it comes to a PF/C that will be starter quality. However, when you talk about trading for a good PF things open up a little.
You could Trade for:
Al Jefferson (Jazz) — Expensive
Paul Milsap (Jazz) — Good Value
Derrick Favors (Jazz) — WIP
Anthony Randolph (Wolves) — WIP
Michael Beasley (Wolves) — Mental case
Or Sign:
DeAndre Jordan (Clips) — Me Likey
Marc Gasol (Grizz) — May re-sign
Carl Landry (Hornets) — Not a great rebounder
David West looking for a pay day?
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214374/Hornets_West_Thinking_About_Opting_Out
Please don’t overpay a 30 year old stretch 4 (whose range only goes out to 20 feet) and is coming off of an ACL tear. Take away the last part of that sentence and I’d say yes, feel free to overpay him.
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Minor trade idea
Orlando has cap problems and with Justin Harper (who was a second rounder, but is likely ready to come in and play a bit right away) I think they have too many PFs. Not only will they most likely let Earl Clark go, but Brandon Bass could be had for cheap, probably.
I propose…
Posey, Rush and Dahntay Jones for J.J Redick, Bass and Clark (signed and traded at like $2-$3 mil a year for a couple years).
For three guys we weren’t planning on using, bench goons would be upgraded offensively with Hill, Stephenson and Redick doing most of the scoring, and Bass and maybe a re-signed Foster or Clark doing the cleanup.
I know we’d have to take on Redick, who is overpaid, but he’s not overpaid for very long, and he’s a helluva shooter. They’d save $10 million for Howard’s opt out year between Redick and Bass’s contracts. We get offense (Redick), toughness down low (Bass) and rebounding and potential (Clark).
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I can dig it, I like Bass and Redick tbh
but I don’t see Otis Smith doing that in a million years.
Orlando's committed salaries the next two years:
2011-12: $75m
2012-13: $76m
If a hard cap is coming, he’s going to have to do something, or he’s going to be out Dwight Howard with nothing to show for it but the decaying remains of Hedo Turkoglu and Gilbert Arenas.
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if he trades 3 useful players for crap
he isn’t going to have to worry about not being able to afford Howard because Howard will be gone anyway.
In short… Smith is screwed. That is what he gets for being an idiot and thinking Hedo and Gilbert would magically revert to their former selves… for no reason
How bout we
Sign a few guys to one year deals and look to make a splash next season.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 24, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
Andy Varejao
Boards and defends the lane horizontally well. Not sure what Cleveland’s asking price would be but I hope Larry at least puts a call in.
And of course, now that they used the 4th pick (4th!) on Tristan Thompson, gotta think Hickson’s available. Apparently Cleveland doesn’t value him as highly as I thought, he’s definitely worth pursuing.
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me want Andy
rebounding defender? yes please
even if I hate him. I guess it is one of those scenarios where if he is on ur team…
Heard prior to the draft
That CLE wouldn’t include Varejao in any deal for the #4. Sounded like, from what I read, that teams were assuming they would salary dump him and they weren’t interested. As for Hickson, I read that the local media in Cleveland were convinced every national pundit was wrong about him, and that he WAS NOT available. But then that was before the team drafted Thompson. I think Thompson was a clear case of them believing some rumor and jumping the gun on Thompson when they shouldn’t have. He was a major reach. I bet they let the two of them compete for playing time. Heard Doug Gottlieb say today that Thompson was better than Hickson, and that I just don’t buy. He’d have been picked mid-first like Hickson in any regular draft.
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Apparently.
Thompson is pretty good when people look at his advanced stats. He came like 3rd best in the draft when looking at those stats. Well, I think Kryie will make this team a fair deal better.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 25, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
They keep saying that but I still see...
An undersized PF with a limited offensive game, who is an atrocious free throw shooter. He’s a good rebounder, and I suspect all these “advanced statistics” they’re talking about have to do with his offensive rebounding and rebounding rate numbers, but I just don’t see anything else that could set him apart. I like the guy, but #4 overall? He’s J.J. Hickson if he’s lucky.
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Sorry!
Sorry! to everyone on this post .. my computer spyware made me have to post this topic in HTML which is hard to read and stay with .. so I apologize … next topic will have spaces and punctuation haha
fallacy with having money to spend...
is assuming that doing so will improve your team. There are no players in free agency that are dramatic improvements over the players currently on our roster. Save your money for the next off season, when there are difference makers available, and in the meantime, use your capspace on players acquired via salary dump trades.
by thomasezekiel77 on Jun 25, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Doesn’t mean we can’t absorb some bad money in a trade to make dramatic improvements.
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that is the only way we are getting someone substantial
once people here the new cap they will freak out and Bird should just be waiting on the other line
indeed
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glad to see you're up already and typing this early
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Deandre Jordan is at the top of my list, but only if he could play PF. He’s pretty quick for a big guy isn’t he? I’m sure he’d be quicker than Al Jefferson at PF at least.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
DeAndre can play PF or C … he’d be of more use I think on the 2nd unit as a center … a 6’11’’ guy with a 36 to 37’’ vertical .. WOW … i’m sold lol …. IF DeAndre gets a better jumper think of a freakishly athletic Derrick McKey of old in my opinion
by actionjack853 on Jun 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
WWWWHHHHYYYY
Do people want Carl Landry?? He’s a worse rebounder than Hans and has played more years in the league. Hans last year averaged more rebounds in about 5 less minutes a game than Carl, AS A ROOKIE.
People just want change for change sake, not for improvement. Carl is a WASTE OF MONEY for this team.
I suspect...
The fact he played at Purdue entices a lot of people.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 25, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
trade....
if you are all talking about trading for a big man, why not talk about noah from chicago?…he wouldn’t come cheap, but he would fit our style and could play 4 or 5.
I doubt they part ways with him unless they think they can use him to trade for Howard
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I hope we dont go ape shit in FA
and spend a bunch of money. This FA class is not that great. I think our first priority would to resign Foster. He deserves it and should retire a Pacer. I think we can all agree on that. Plus I loved the way he played in the playoffs.
I dont think there is an amazing PF we can get in FA, we can all agree on that. So hopefully we dont break the bank on some scrub like Landry. We should get someone like Reggie Evans and/or Chris Wilcox. Evans will help with offensive rebounds and is tough down lowt. Wilcox could help with scoring off the bench and give us a presence in the paint. We could probablly get each around 4-6 million a year range.
We add depth in the front court and add some veterans without breaking the bank. Still giving us plenty of capspace to do some trades in the offseason. All depending on the CBA of course, And if its a hard cap we will have alot of leverage to get some decent players via trade.
Roster
PG- Collison/Stephenson
SG- George/Hill/Rush
SF- Granger/Jones/Posey
PF Hans/Evans/(possibly sign Mcbobs as well)
C- Hibbert/Foster/Wilcox
Now depending on the development of George, Hibbert, Hans, and please god Stephenson. We could definetly get another 5-10 more wins for the year if not more. personally I think we should of swept the bulls. We played them tough but lacked experience and killer instinct. Especially in the last 4mins of the game. Hill will definetly improve that. And with our team being more experience hopefully they will be able to take it to the next level. Plus Shaw is a huge, huge bonus to have.
Maybe Im just biased and Fkn excited to see the pacers getting back to the way they were. But they impressed me in the playoffs and I think we need to stay the course and add leadership and some killer instinct on the team. And F the bulls. I hope we get a rematch in the playoffs next year.
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