Power Forward Ideas?

by pacerfan20o8 on Jun 17, 2011 7:18 PM EDT

Okay, long time reader but first time poster. I've been a fan ever since I can remember and just wanted to know if any of you guys had any ideas on how to pick up a decent PF thru trade on/around the draft. I love Hans and I think he's doing a great job but I think he's better suited for the Goon Squad, an energy guy off the bench, which is perfect for us. I heard Millsap is available and I think he would be great but what do you guys think? Any Ideas?

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I think Faried with Hans will give us what we need

We could try and get DeAndre Jordan to back up Hibbert. I feel that combination would give us one of the better Front courts in the league.(at least defensively)

by Trent Sutton on Jun 17, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions

Sounds good BUT....

DeAndre will resign with his best freind Blake and the clips are prepared to pay him. I agree with Faried…good choice but we need to add a vet in there as well like Chris Wilcox….still only 28, just never got the playing time after Oklahoma let him go. Never had any serious injuries that I know of. He can have that Dale Davis effect. With Faried (who I am thinking he is the dude Bird wants at 15) and another young big as well as that vet, we can control the Rebounds…45+ per game and get our offensive rebounds.

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by rockguyinindy on Jun 17, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions

Wilcox has gotten playing time.

In Seattle he had two 30+ mpg seasons and a 28 mpg season. He doesn’t get time because he just isn’t actually all that great.

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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 17, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah but just good enough

To back up a couple of young bigs. 12-15 mins…a few points, important rebounds and a couple of blocks. He’s a hell of alot more athletic than Foster, although I would have both of them on my roster as back ups any day.

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by rockguyinindy on Jun 18, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Jefferson fills a holes

rebounder, high percentage back to the basket guy. Only 26 still. Just a lot of wear and tear on the knees and has a big contract.

Milsap is another rebounder, high percentage shooter, although not of the back to the basket variety. but he 26 as well, durable, and cheaper than jefferson.

Both are much much much much better than Hans, no matter how delusional some people are. Hell, Hans is the same age as those two…

JJ hickson seems to be available. IDK if he really fills any needs though.

by dbcb on Jun 18, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions

I'd take all three of them as a starter over Hans

I don’t know why people balk at the prospect. I think the problem people are having is that Hansbrough is fun to watch because he works his ass off and is just plain crazy, and it’s awesome to have those type of players on your team. But really they belong on the bench.

Problem with Millsap: He’s really not that much better than Hansbrough (though he is better) and like Hansbrough, he’s undersized. I’d want him in a strict salary-dump, but there are so many intriguing mid-first round prospects in this draft it’s a hard sell to convince folks he’s worth the #15.

Problem with Jefferson: He and Hibbert would be standing around in the lane a bunch; neither can shoot. Neither are all that athletic. Jefferson has a big body and can rebound like a man, but how effective would he be at 4 next to a plodding 5? Plus he doesn’t really have a track record of making teams better.

Problem with Hickson: Undersized and unproven. I love the idea of acquiring him, but I don’t see anyway we do it without giving up something of real value (like Granger). Of all the “available” PFs, he’s the one with the most potential to turn into the next out-from-nowhere JO-type star, but we’re not catching Cleveland off-guard. Unlike Portland when we fleeced them for JO, Cleveland does not have a wealth of depth and the luxury of a near-championship-caliber team. They’ll want to get all they can for him, and frankly, it’s unclear whether he’s worth it. We had the luxury of trading a role player on a very good team for an up-and-comer on another very good team with the Davis for JO trade…not the same situation at all if we go after Hickson.

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by LukeNukem on Jun 18, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh yee of little faith......

Hans will continue to quiet the haters.

Millsap is a duplication of skillset, dont see the point in that trade.

Jefferson I’d like, but for the right price. I wouldn’t trade Granger or anything for him.

JJ Hickson. I’m kinda on the fence with him. Definitely, wouldn’t wanna give up much for him.

by Justin Arnold on Jun 18, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

But...

He sort of regressed in the playoffs, right? I mean, we all saw what he could do as a starter. He could hit open 15-20 footers. Once people started guarding him he seemed pretty predictable. i mean he couldn’t get to the line. He couldn’t get around anyone. He didn’t score on putbacks. He didn’t play much defense. What about him is realistically going to get better with another off-season under his belt? He’s not going to grow anymore like KG did. He’s not going to add a bunch of muscle like Dwight Howard did. He’s not going to get his shot down like Chris Webber did (he already has it). He’s not going to develop a sophisticated post repertoire like Zach Randolph did (he’s too slow…everyone can see it coming). I don’t get it. He’s 26. He is what he is. He should focus on becoming a harder-working defender, setting better screens and passing to open teammates instead of getting tunnel vision when he gets the ball in his hands and tries that goofy-ass up and under from 10 feet out. If he does that, I’m sure he’ll improve and be better than 10-15 other starting PFs. But he’ll never be the natural offensive force Millsap is. Never.

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by LukeNukem on Jun 18, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I remember Hans having a huge serious until he was knocked out..............

He was pretty much a rookie this year. Another year under his belt will give him more consistency on his jumper ie a David West type PF. He wil adjust to the NBA style of play and figure out what he can and cant do, then he will keep working hard and be a great asset to the team, as he has already shown from his clear developement this year.

by Justin Arnold on Jun 18, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think we can say one game is a huge series (I presume you meant).

I side more with Luke myself. I like Hans as a bench player, but not as starter. I find it hard to think he’ll get much better. I can’t share your optimism about Hans, but I hope you’re right and I’m wrong.

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by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 19, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions

If nothing else.........

my point is Hans will be as good at least as a guy like Milsap, who has been bandied about plenty lately all over the net.

by Justin Arnold on Jun 19, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions

no way

Just look at the assist numbers. My biggest frustration is Hansbrough’s unwillingness to look at anything but the basket. Millsap averaged 2.5 apg last year, meaning he can pass out of a double-team. And we all know he’s got the beastly low post game to cause double-teams. Surround that kind of post player with shooters (like Granger, Dunleavy, Marshon Brooks or Klay Thompson, etc) and your offense flows a lot smoother.

Millsap’s not a huge upgrade over Hansbrough, but he is an upgrade. He does all the little things at least slightly better (rebound, pass, block shots, score off the low block) and is as good of a mid-range shooter, ball defender and hustle guy.

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by LukeNukem on Jun 19, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Millsap is an upgrade

Just not enough of one to spend anything in order to acquire him. Jefferson is better, but waaay too expensive, not to mention his knees.
I like Hickson, but we’d probably have to give up too much for him, as well. Maybe we can resign McBob then trade Hans to Cleveland for Hickson.

by Manfred James on Jun 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Thank you.....

exactly. Well put.

by Justin Arnold on Jun 19, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd argue that...

…Milsap’s assist numbers are more a product of the Jazz’s system than his ability to command and then pass out of double teams. The Jazz’s PF has always been required to hit cutters, it’s a hallmark of their offense. Also, I disagree that Milsap has a great post game in general. The stats may prove me wrong, but as a guy who watches a lot of Jazz games, it feels to me that most of Milsap’s scoring comes off of mid-range jumpers, offensive rebounds, and facing up a little bit and getting to the rim. I’ve never been wowed by his low-post game, but it’s always been impressive how he fights to keep plays alive, or how he always seems to be around the ball at the right time for scoring opportunities. He’s a fighter.

One thing I will agree with is that Milsap is a superior player to Hansbrough at this point. Will that change? Maybe, but there’s no question Milsap is the more polished player right now. As we all know, his salary is also nicely priced. If Indy could get him for cheap (not likely considering his salary and production), then I’d be all for him coming over. If they’d have to give up Granger, or PG, or Collison, or Hibbert to get him, than no thanks.

by Glenn A. on Jun 19, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Well said...

Milsap is more polished , because he has had time to be polished. And @ Luke, Hans is told to be a scorer when he was in games.

by Justin Arnold on Jun 19, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Al Jefferson is a Center not a SF

by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 19, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

CORRECTION Al Jefferson is a center not a PF

by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 19, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

This argument been had before......

he was drafted as a PF, but has played a lot of C.

by Justin Arnold on Jun 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

How bout signing David West to a one year contract

There the Pacers don’t lose anything on him and still could have a shot at Dwight Howard (or at least a better one then the Lakers).

by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 19, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions

Is David West opting out of his last year, even after that knee injury?

by Justin Arnold on Jun 19, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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by LukeNukem on Jun 19, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Yeah, if he can pass his physical at some point before next season.

Just because he as a torn ACL doesn’t mean he can’t start for the Pacers next season, there are athletes who run just as much as NBA superstars who suffer torn ACL’s later in their season then West did who are healthy for the next season.

by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 19, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions