Pacers' Draft Possibilities: Jimmer Fredette
by Ian Levy on Jun 1, 2011 3:00 PM EDT
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With the Draft Lottery complete, the Early Entry List set, and the NBA Draft fast approaching, it's time to examine more in depth some of the players who could be available for the Pacers. Over the next few weeks I'll be trying to put together as many profiles as possible. Instead of identifying players as specific targets for either Pacers' pick, I'm just going to cover a pool of players I think are possibilities. You'll find some players who the Pacers would likely have to trade up or down for. I've also expressed my opinion that the Pacers need to be focused on talent as much as fit so players at all five positions will be included.
These profiles are not intended to advocate for one player over another, just examine their strengths and weaknesses, and discuss in some detail what they have to offer. For each profile I provided Ten Important Statistics to guide the discussion. Today we'll be looking at:
Jimmer Fredette - PG - 6'2.5" 196 lbs. - Brigham Young University
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Pts/40 |
Reb/40 |
Ast/40 |
Stl/40 |
2PT% |
3PT% |
FT% |
FT/40 |
TO/40 |
USG% |
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30.0 |
3.6 |
4.5 |
1.4 |
49.1% |
39.6% |
89.4% |
7.9 |
3.7 |
33.4 |
Current DraftExpress Projection: Round 1, Pick #19
Strengths:
- Dead-eye jumpshooter with unlimited range, equally as effective off the dribble as in catch and shoot situations
- Adept at creating scoring opportunities for himself, all over the floor
- Can get to the rim and finish or draw a foul, as well as pull up for a mid-range jumper
- His showing in the athletic tests at the combine was surprisingly impressive
Weaknessess:
- As a point guard, he hasn't consistently shown the ability or inclination to create scoring opportunities for his teammates
- Decision making can be questionable, both in terms of passing and shot selection
- Played very little defense in college, plenty of questions about his abilities and intensity at this end of the floor
- May have to adjust to a lower usage role on offense
Impressions:
More Information:
- DraftExpress Profile
- ESPN Draft Profile
- NBADraft.net Profile
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Frodo Baggins
The kid can shoot lights out that’s for sure.The question is,can he guard players like D Rose and Westbrook?
by gut19 on Jun 1, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's not really a question - obviously he can't.
But I mean, just look at the Finals – JJ Barrea and Jason Terry can’t play a lick of D but they’re key players because of their ability to put the ball in the whole (last night’s game excluded). The Pacers would never ask Jimmer to guard Rose or Westbrook – just because you play PG doesn’t mean you have to defend the other team’s PG (see: George defending Rose, ect.).
yeah,I was kind of being sarcastic
One of the biggest knocks on Jimmer has been his defense.But then again that’s what people have always complained about with 2 time MVP Steve Nash.
JImmer's no Nash
Nash is a world-class creator. He is one of the best passers and smartest players the league has seen. Jimmer gets tunnel vision on the goal too often and will probably never be a solid pass-first PG. But he can probably score at the NBA level as well as Nash.
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I definitely agree
I’m not comparing Jimmer and Nash as players necessarily,I’m just saying you don’t have to be NBA defensive player of the year to be a good player.
by gut19 on Jun 1, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but when you suck at D
It helps make up for it when you’re a revolutionary passer.
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Or a ridiculous shooter
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I personally believe Jimmer’s game translates, but there’s a 100 Jimmer-level shooters for every one Nash-level passers…
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uh..idk about that
nash is a great passer yes, but it’s not like he’s magic johnson or anything
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by wonillionaire on Jun 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty close
There have been maybe 3 passers over the last 20 years who are even close to the same level as Nash.
1. Stockton (though he’s pushing my 20 years limit)-Obviously, he’s the best passer the game has ever seen
2. Jason Kidd-Height+versatility+insane vision made him unstoppable…revolutionized the position for the post-Magic era
3. Mark Jackson-Not much of a flashy passer like Nash or Magic, but one of the NBA’s all-time smartest players.
That’s it. No one else is even close. Now Magic was more entertaining than all of them, and probably racked up more per game numbers (I’d have to check the stats), but he had a significant advantage of playing with the era’s most dominant offensive player (Kareem), a wealth of other competent scorers and…um…he was 6’9.
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magic averaged over 11 assists a game for his career
nash averaged around 8. enough said. and its not magic’s fault he was tall.
Harper's on Miller, McKey, gets in to Miller for the win and...
Hail to the Orange.
Hail to the Blue.
Hail Alma Mater,
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So let our motto be
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by wonillionaire on Jun 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
magic in my eyes is the greatest passer to ever play
no one comes close except stockton.
Harper's on Miller, McKey, gets in to Miller for the win and...
Hail to the Orange.
Hail to the Blue.
Hail Alma Mater,
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We love no other,
So let our motto be
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by wonillionaire on Jun 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately pass first point guards are few and far between these days.Who would of thought Nash would of turned out to be the player he did coming into the NBA.If Jimmer is going to succeed at the pro level he has to become more than a one dimensional player.I’d be interested in seeing some footage of Jimmer going up against NBA level talent.
by gut19 on Jun 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As much as I like the Jimmer, I just don’t see him being a good fit for the Pacers. I see the Suns taking him though.
I am high on some other players like Reggie Jackson, Singleton, Biyombo (if we move up).
I’d honestly rather take a try at Selby than draft Jimmer.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
Kind of ominous Hickory High comparables, no?
Jimmer has drawn comparisons to Steph Curry, but I think that’s an absolute best case dream scenario. In all actuality he’ll most likely be a solid shoot-first point guard in the Mo Williams/Jason Terry mold with a chance to be lousy like Dan Dickau or Steve Alford.
My biggest reason for wanting him over a guy like Klay Thompson (who’s probably just as good of a shooter) is his ability to handle the ball and willingness to shoot coming off of the dribble. Thompson can do those things, but Jimmer’s been accustomed to running the point since he was very young, and that’s a skill I think the Pacers could really use coming off the bench (hence my willingness to reach on Selby). If we could find a guy to provide heavy minutes at both backup guard spots it would really open things up for George to get some burn at the backup SF spot and we could then focus on beefing up the interior through free agency or next year’s draft. Since there are a few really nice combo guards in this year’s crop it would make a lot of sense to grab one since draft picks in this range can be useful while also being relatively inexpensive.
All that said I’m almost certain Utah drafts Kanter/Fredette and leaves Brandon Knight to fall to someone else.
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There is no one in this draft that I really like, Jimmer seems as good a choice as any. I think his scoring will absolutely translate and I think he will work hard to fix his defense and adjust to being a role player. I think he’s a pretty low risk pick. I don’t see him being a complete bust, I think worst case he’s AJ Price who isn’t as good a defender but who is a much more consistent scorer. I just don’t see Jimmer going through a horrid stretch like AJ did this year where in 4 games he was something like 0/12 3 pointers and 7/32 field goals. That is just awful.
I agree
We can ALL pick apart any of the possibilities unless we trade to get in the top 5 which will NOT happen. I would however pick Faried or Singleton over Jimmer at the 15 and then try to trade back for Jimmer. I have heard very little about any Mayo trade now, so I can see Jimmer coming in for Darren for some solid mins. I have also noticed he is much bigger at 6-3, 200lbs muscle strong which can help him absorb physical hits when driving the lane.
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by rockguyinindy on Jun 1, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like this option
Ferdette is a PG in the NBA, the Pacers need a SG and a power forward. Not a good option.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 1, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions
Terrible Highlight video of choice
Most were from last year’s Florida game, some terrible angles, misses many big moments in his career. I haven’t checked enough to see which highlight video is the best, but this one is good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os1bypRcgd4
I’ve watched every one of Jimmer’s games throughout his career, and he is simply amazing. I was so impressed with how hard he worked in the offseasons to get better every year. He continued to amaze me. He was the entire offense last year against very athletic, strong, and quick players. He is smart and krafty and will learn how to get off his shot even against taller, faster NBA guys. Not worried about that. I think the Defense criticism is a little overblown. He’ll do his best to stay in front of guys, that’s all he can hope for. He is quicker than you’d think (as seen in his agility numbers at the combine), is quite strong, and will learn defensive schemes quickly. It is also overlooked how good of a passer he is. His teammates (including co-star Jax Emery) were so inconsistent. I was only interested in the Cougars winning, and he did what was necessary. But when he was triple-teamed, he was brilliant about where to cut to draw the most amount of attention and knew to find the right guy at the right time. He will develop this skill even more.
I guarantee he will exceed expectations. That’s what he has done his entire life. He is very humble and a hard worker. I’m not a Pacers fan, but wanted to chime in here. You should be ecstatic at the possibility of getting Jimmer, but frankly, he won’t drop this far. But if he is a Pacer, you can assure I’ll be watching every game. Too bad my team (Wiz) are too high, but he’s not a good fit for them anyways. I’m hoping PHX gets him.
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I’d be pretty happy with Jimmer. You don’t have to convince me. I think worse case scenario he’s Acie Law or Jarryd Bayless. Myeh, but at #15 of a draft without much star power what can you expect? I think both of those guys (Law and Bayless) could probably run backup point for us better than our current options. That said, I don’t think there’s much of a possibility of us getting him, so it probably won’t matter. There are two teams who pick directly in front of us who are documented Jimmer fans (Utah and Phoenix). So yeah.
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I'm bullish on Jimmer as a Pacer
Just as Ian said, this guy is instant offense, which our second unit lacks. When they are on the floor, someone needs to be out there that can get a decent shot up as the shot clock winds down. That is this kid’s game. He also seems to be pretty clutch and could be a nice option for those late game situations where you need a 3pt basket.
I only saw a few BYU games this year but the whole team looked pretty bad on D. I don’t know hat Jimmer is a lost cause on D, as it may have been systematic for his team/coach. His footwork is really quick on offense, I think he has the physical tools to be an average defender for a bench player. That combined with his scoring punch and he is a fit for this team.
Plus he is a Pacer style player. He is a guy that fans here will root for. He is hard nosed, and based on his BYU background is used to living up to high behavioral expectations. I honestly don’t see him being a better fit anywhere else save for Utah.
Agreed
I might be way over my head here, but we might consider the idea that Jimmer could one day even become a starter for the franchise. If he shows well a la Stephen Curry, and Collison continues to be just “serviceable” rather than an irreplaceable starter, then maybe Jimmer becomes even more valuable than just a spark plug off the bench. With the way Jimmer’s been impressing in his workouts, though, I’m having a hard time envisioning that he’ll be there at 15.
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