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CHICAGO, IL - APRIL 16: Carlos Boozer #5 of the Chicago Bulls and Tyler Hansbrough #50 of the Indiana Pacers battle for position on a free-throw in Game One of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals in the 2011 NBA Playoffs at the United Center on April 16, 2011 in Chicago, Illinois. The Bulls defeated the Pacers 104-99. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

What a showing last night by our Indiana Pacers!  Just about everyone had a very solid game at different spurts, including Darren Collison, Danny Granger and Tyler Hansbrough. Oh, and Derrick Rose had a pretty good showing.  I liked Paul George on him because of his length, but no one really had much of an impact on him defensively.  I keep wondering if Dahntay Jones gets his shot on Rose?  

The Pacers showed fight and confidence throughout this game.  Every time the Chicago Bulls made a run, the Pacers pushed it right back to a comfortable lead....until, of course, the final few minutes.  I would have been interested to see Hansbrough continue to get the ball in the final few minutes.  He was killing Carlos Boozer towards the end of the game, but they seemed to get away from that when the Bulls made their run.  However, hindsight is alwasy 20/20.  Also, did you guys catch Larry Bird with a little smirk on his face when Hansbrough went off?...almost as if he was saying, "see! I told you guys he was a good pick!"

The scary thing, to me, is who will show up on Monday?  I would be ok if every game was like game one, even if the Pacers were swept.  However, we all know their tendancy to have a great game, then an aweful one.  It would be painful to see a blowout loss.  So, after yesterday's solid showing, which team do you expect to show up tomorrow, Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

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You have to make adjustments in playoff basketball

Put Dahntay on Rose for some stretches and see what he can do.And if McRoberts is struggling down in the paint I wouldn’t be opposed to putting him out on the perimeter and see how his 3 is falling.Also Roy was playing some good ball,so he needs to be on the floor as much as possible.

by gut19 on Apr 17, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Pacers for the most part played their hearts out. I give major props to DC and Tyler, they both were cogs tonight. DC had a monster first half, but Tyler was on fire the entire game.

Danny was the only player I had a problem with. He seems like he’s used to shooting a lot now, and when it didn’t seem like he shot the ball in 2 minutes, he forced so many shots tonight, especially in the first half. I don’t know, but I’m starting to like Danny less and less. He’s certainly not a #1 option and he doesn’t seem much of a leader. I think the Pacers would be helping themselves by trading Granger while his value is up. Beats trying to trade players with 0 value.

I really hated the ESPN announcers slurping up DRose. It was pretty embarrassing if you ask me. All they talked about were the Bulls, and they wouldn’t give Indiana any credit for having a lead. It was “The Bulls just aren’t playing defense right now”. Pacers made a lot of tough shots all night long! Bulls defense is pretty freakin good and I hope the Pacers take note, cause that’s how I honestly want our team to play.

DRose is a beast though.

by Sparhawk on Apr 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

+1 on Granger

He made some good shots in this game but, and I’ve been saying this for awhile now, he still can’t create his own shot. He’s a catch-and-shoot player and when he’s shot isn’t falling he’s pretty much useless. The Pacers desperately need someone that can drive into the paint and actually finish at the rim, Granger is not that player.

As for the rest of the game, we witnessed this all year; the team just doesn’t know how to finish games. They are young so it’s not really surprising, yet it’s frustrating still. I thoroughly enjoyed yesterdays game, up until the final three minutes, and I hope they come out with the same intensity tomorrow night.

Winning

by return2greatness on Apr 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

what are you talking about? seriously, you people can't even hold off on the trade granger talk for one day?

Granger actually had himself a really good game, he was efficient and he was versatile, he had a really good overall game and we lost the game to a better team. We had a chance to win last night’s game because of Danny’s perimeter game leading up to the last minutes, how about give the guy some credit for that.

by latrell spreewel on Apr 17, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was a good game

until he jacked up that crap in the final minutes when all we needed was a 2 pointer to keep it within one possesion.

by Agent J on Apr 17, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granger

as I said above, he had SOME good shots but when the Pacers needed him the most, he threw up junk… as usual. I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, he’s just not a number one (which we can all probably agree on) and a number one scoring option is what this team needs. When it comes down to crunch time, everyone knows DG is going to try and shoot a jumper because he doesn’t really have anything else to his game, he doesn’t handle the ball all that well, his passing is OK and he doesn’t finish at the rim. That’s really all there is to it.

Winning

by return2greatness on Apr 17, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

DG

“Granger is not a number one scoring option.”

And this necessitates getting rid of him, why?

by Manfred James on Apr 17, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seriously didn’t read the rest of the post. To try and get back players and picks. If you can’t get that, then I’m all for keeping Granger.

I’m just liking the guy less and less. You can continue to like him if you want.

by Sparhawk on Apr 18, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said his game didn't need work

But so does everyone’s. I don’t buy into this “He’s reached his ceiling” bullshit.

by Manfred James on Apr 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously Danny Granger is the guy you had a problem with?

how about the fact he lead the team in scoring? Tyler had a good game scoring, but where his rebounding was less than appealing, which goes for the entire team. Seriously why do you guys blame granger every game. Granger played a good game, so dont even try to label him as the scapegoat.

by latrell spreewel on Apr 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m entitled to my opinion as you are. I already knew the Bulls would probably win the rebounding cause their guys are much more physical than our players. Should that be surprising to you? Granger should have been taking it to Deng all night long, but he just settles for long jumpers. He was really the only player forcing up shots and not playing within the offense.

Do you really think Granger is going to take us to the next level? Didn’t think so. Picking out of the lottery isn’t going to help our chances of landing the player we need. Granger scored the most cause he shot the most. 0 FT attempts.

Rebounding was a huge part of the game, and I did leave that out, but not on purpose. Can’t win the game when you give opponents so many extra chances.

by Sparhawk on Apr 17, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think the Pacers can win a game or two, but they are going to have to continue to shoot lights out and not turn the ball over. They did an excellent job protecting the ball tonight.

by Sparhawk on Apr 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

how about "someone you like" taking us to the next level with danny?

really, danny isn’t no.1, but who else do we got? trading him isn’t a total-package-solution. he can still succeed on this team. come on men, it’s the playoffs, let us hold on a little bit of such trade talks. let’s evaluate based on what we need to do NOW, not for the summer.

by King21 on Apr 17, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny's not a closer

Danny is not our best closer. He doesn’t have good dribbling skills and he tends to fumble when he drives in traffic. Danny is the best scorer, as he can pepper jumpers for the duration of the game. But he does not have the necessary dribbling skills to be a reliable closer.

Danny’s strengths are: He shoots the jumpshot with the ball above his head. Because of his height, it’s very difficult to block. He can get that shot off almost any time he wants. The accuracy is iffy (37%), but it’s something you can go to as last resort given the limited weapons we have.

What Danny needs to work on:
Dribbling – he dribbles high, and doesn’t bend down to keep the ball low. Makes it susceptible to being picked off. He should keep the ball lower on his dribble. He also doesn’t have a cross-over dribble.
Finishing at the rim: When Danny drives, his attack is weak. Usually, he’s just trying to finesse and lay it up on the right side using the glass. In the playoffs, that will get blocked. Heck, he’ll get stripped before he takes off for his layup. He will have a hard time drawing fouls.

I like Danny’s game, but Paul George has the best combination of speed, ball-handling, and attacking skills to make plays in the last 2 minutes. PG just needs experience.

by ArnoldL on Apr 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny...

I will start out by saying Danny is my favorite player in the league. We all put alot of time into the Pacers and of course everyone is rooting for him. It doesn’t mean though that we have to be biased towards him and take his side every time.

He had an unbelievable 3rd quarter, and I think we have seen enough of this team to know that it is really hard to RELY on anyone else for buckets. Darrens first half sure wasn’t going to be repeated, and Tyler was awesome, but we do need Danny to be the man, and take it to the rack, and put the hammer down and keep that 10 point lead.

Further, I have said it on here before. Danny is not a #1. With Danny as your clear cut best guy, you are not making the finals, and most likely not winning a round in the playoffs. I have been on here and said before I don’t even believe he is a # 2. I think he is a GREAT #3 on a CHAMPIONSHIP team, but can’t be your number 2.

Looking over the last 10 years off the top of my head, is he better than any championship teams #2?

2010-Pau Gasol
2009-Pau Gasol
2008-KG or Pierce
2007-Ginobili/Parker
2006-Dwyane Wade
2005-Ginobili/Parker
2004-Billups/Rasheed/Big Ben/Rip in his prime??
2003-Young Parker/Old David Robinson?
2002-Shaq or Kobe
2001- Kobe
2000- Kobe
1999-David Robinson
90’s – Pippen and Drexler

by captain flitzy on Apr 17, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny had 2 great quarters

and then played bad D at the end of the game, chucked up bad shots, and proved but yet again he is not a “closer”

He just seems to crumble when the game is on the line, and unfortunately I think we’ll keep calling his number in close situations. I’d much rather have had Hans or Dunleavy taking shots in the final two minutes. And don’t get me started on the stupid foul on the Noah dunk. I’d be pissed off at George for committing that foul, and doubly so on our team leader vet.

by Rogco on Apr 17, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

#1

i believe the Pacers could easily steal next game and win two at home. I also think this is Chicago Bulls team is the worst #1 seed of all time.

by radookie on Apr 17, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

He's been trolling the hell out of the Bulls board.

I don’t think he’s representative at all of the Indy fans here. He didn’t have any comments anywhere until 4 days ago.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 17, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOWWWWWWW

Last year the Cavs were the #1 seed and lost in the second round. Chicago has a MUCH better team this year than Cleveland did last year.

Winning

by return2greatness on Apr 17, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't we expect the Cavs to win it all last year?

Or at the very least make the Finals? Add in somewhere James quitting on his team in Game 5 having some effect? Bulls are a better team, sure, but I don’t think they’re quite the world beaters they’re made out to be. Rose makes up too much of that offense. If he struggles to get to the line in these games, Chicago is going to be extremely vulnerable unless Boozer steps up in a big way.

What helps the Bulls this year regardless of how good they are is that no one in the East is in a good position to hold them up. Boston’s hurt and may still be hurt, Miami can’t match up at all, and Orlando can’t win with 50 and 20 from Dwight. East isn’t as bad as it was when New Jersey was winning it, but this may be the shallowest class of legitimately dangerous teams since then.

Bulls aren’t the worst #1 seed of all time, but I would think they’re far more on that side of the spectrum than the “best #1 seed” side. It may not matter what I think, though. They look as vulnerable a #1 seed as I’ve seen, but the competition just may not be there to make anything of it. We’ll just have to see how it unfolds.

by Nathan S. on Apr 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blazer fan here. And I agree that they are overrated.

I predict Pacers winning this series. Why? because the Pacers are much more talented than the Bulls and they’ve also got a coach who is defensive minded in Frank Vogel. By matchups:
Collison<Rose, this disparity is not as large as it’s hyped up to be. Collison is an underated defender, very quick, good passer and good scorer too.

George>Bogans, Even though George is a rookie, he is a million gazillion times better player than Bogans. Loved him in the draft, love him now. He can shoot the ball. Got a really pretty jump shot (great mechanics) Can defend the heck out of people (and that includes Rose even though i did not see the first game because I was working.) He’s tall and has very long arms ( Like an American nicholas Batum, except stronger) Haven’t seen a lot of his ball handling skills, if he develops that skill, he could be an excellent one on one scorer as well.

Granger>Deng, Not a big fan of Granger because he takes a lot of bad shots. Not the most efficient guy. But he defends well and is a better than Deng. Deng’s ball handling, shooting or defense is not as good as Grangers. Plus Granger has excellent size for his position.

Boozer>Hansborough, Here’s where the Bulls should be doing great. But Boozer has never been a player with a killer instinct. He’s always just went with the motions in Utah. To take advantage of this matchup, you’ve got to want it. And, even though Boozer is quicker, stronger, and a better basketball player than Psycho T, he doesn’t have the killer instinct to fully take advantage.

Hibbert>Noah, Noah is one of the most overrated players in the league. Don’t get me wrong it’s not his fault. Noah fully takes adavantage of every inch of his height, his jumping ability and quickness. He is one of the most hardest and intense workers on and off the court. But Hibbert is 7-2 and he has lost weight from last year and is more mobile than he has ever been in his whole life. Huge advantage to Hibbert here on offense and defense.

Summary: The Pacers too much of an advantage at the wings and Center position. Plus they’ve got a good player in Darren Collision too (even though Rose is better.) And Boozer will not take advantage at his position because I’ve seen him time and time again not do it. Pacers keep winning until they meet the Celtics, where they lose in the conference finals.

by Sabasdaman on Apr 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the post game interviews last night on all of the games.

Here’s the deal : T Blazers vs Mavericks were the T Blazers players wouldn’t come to the press conference and I don’t blame them. Their coach post interview sounded so familar to Frank Vogel. Pretty much he, T Blzrs coach, said I don’t understand how in the 4th quarter Dallas gets 21 ftrows and they get 2 and tblzs had over 40 points in the paint. Even the NBA mouth pieces couldn’t understand it. Sound familiar pacer fans? Rose is a great player but in fairness how can you defend against him when the officials seem to think he never or rarely fouls. You will never win that battle. The tblazers had the same issue as well as the 76’s against the heat made the same statement about a fouling benifit to miami. Lets see that’s chicago, dallas and miami, all big markets vs portland, philly and indy. This has to do with ratings and the nba needs to step up and be fair.

by gopacer on Apr 17, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sure have alot of opinions

for someone who didn’t even watch the game.

MN: 15

by BAB-Bass on Apr 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I didn't watch the games

But that is what I saw on the post games and read about. Read this article for some of the total free throws on those 3 games http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/# I didn’t say they were all wrong just that it was out of proportion. It’s strange that the advantage went to big market teams. Take from it what you want.

by gopacer on Apr 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Dumbest post ever? Yes!

by adocarbog on Apr 17, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

hype

Boozer sure didnt look quicker, stronger or better than “T” when he got dogged at midcourt .

by presschief on Apr 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe you people are complaining about Danny

We get it. We know he isn’t a true #1 scorer who you give the ball too at the top of the key and say “score.”

But guess what… EVERYONE ON THIS SITE KNOWS THAT. EVERYONE IN THE NBA KNOWS THAT. This was established a year ago. Yet you people come on here, no matter if he scores 2 pts on 1-20 shooting or 30 points on 15/20 shooting and say the same damn thing over and over and over and over and over.

Why do you guys continuously point to his faults and not the good things?

Why not look at the fact he scored 24 points on 50% shooting?

Or the fact he had ONE turnover all game despite playing against the best defense in the league.

Or the fact he contributed 6 rebounds (2nd highest on the team) which is more than our starting power forward that everyone is in love with and can do no wrong.

He had 3 asts, agains second highest on the team.

He shot 50%, with one turnover, against Deng, who is a GREAT defender, and against the best defense in the league.

If you want to complain about someone, complain about our shooting guard position, which contributed nothing this game, even though it is the one position we should be stronger in. Or complain about Hans getting 4 rebounds all game. Or complain about Hibbert doing nothing outside the 1st quarter.

Give the dude a freaking break.

by dbcb on Apr 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i can't

not when he is suppose to be our best player/team captain but not only failed to get to the line but shot us in the foot with his decision making at the end.

by Agent J on Apr 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

He’s our best player right now, so he takes the shots at the end. Go get us Lebron.. or shut up because he’s the best we got. What is the use complaining about what we already know? If Danny was a great #1 option.. we’d be a top seed. He’s not, so we’re 8th.

Not to mention, its everyone’s first shot at the playoffs, they’re going to learn how to execute down the stretch and who to get the ball to…

by BenD on Apr 17, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing about Lebron...

He sucks at taking the shot too. BEST player in the NBA can’t finish, haha. I still think DG is the best choice at the end of the game. Granger’s size and shooting ability give him the best chance out of our guys.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Apr 18, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's supposed to be the teams best player

but when they needed him most he couldn’t get the job done. THAT’s my knock on him. As for the 2 guard spot, Rush hit some pretty big 3’s if my memory serves me correctly and besides, how much production did Chicago get out of their SG?

Anyway, still a good showing IMO. I am still a Granger fan, always will be. Too bad we didn’t land Mayo.

Winning

by return2greatness on Apr 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between Chicago's SG position

And ours is that they never get any offensive production from that position, while we’ve got guys that can light it up. Getting two points from George/Duns isn’t good enough, as was proven. Rush played a very good game though. Timely and deadly.

by Nathan S. on Apr 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point

PG needs to be more assertive but I guess that will come in time.

Winning

by return2greatness on Apr 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1..

I completely agree with dbcb on this. It’s funny how we accept the overwhelmingly short-comings of some players..ahem…but Rush to lay the blame at Danny’s feet regardless of the fact that we know he is not a true number 1 option. meh I guess that’s why they say life isn’t fair eh?

Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work.
-Thomas Edison

by W.Diesel on Apr 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rush gets a pass

RIGHT, OK

I don't know what to do. At all.

by IndyPacers on Apr 17, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Danny had good game, he was just a little tight out of the gate. Cant complain about Tyler though , yes rebounds were low but he kept ball in play, hit pressure shots and had a
incredible steal when it was really needed. Also Vogel should have had Pacers going strictly to hole last 2 minutes and Pacers would have probably took game. Hibbert o.k. need to get a little more physical when Bulls made adjustments.

Granger will be fine game 2, expect him to have great game

Hansbrough must of run over your dog or something

by presschief on Apr 17, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's OK, Chicago can keep Keith Bogans.

One thing Indiana doesn’t have, and I’m sure many people agree, is a true closer. I like Danny but he’s not a #1. He’s a #1 by default.

I was sort of disappointed that Roy didn’t get as many looks in the second half but Tyler and Danny were shooting so well I guess you go with who has the hot hand. The quick shots at the end were unnecessary.

by Gwen on Apr 17, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone agree that need to ride the hot hand

we have a habit of getting away from the guy that is hot that Qtr, & give it to danny. Thats the only bad thing i have to say about Vogel.

I also loved how vogel complained about the ref, without actually complaining about the refs during the post game presser

Keepin it KFC as always (Kool, Funky, & Clean)

by Smiff620 on Apr 17, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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