Who should the Pacers sign and trade for this summer (you decide)?
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 1:35 PM EDT
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Looking at the Pacers future this summer you have
With Mike Dunleavy's roughly 10.56 million dollar contract expiring, TJ Ford's 8.5 million dollar contract, Jeff Foster's 6.655, Josh McRoberts contract just under 900 thousand, Solomon Jones 1.5 million dollar contract, and even though he was placed on the team's non active roster in 2008 and cut in 2009 Jamaal Tinsley's 5.5 million dollar contracts all expiring next season, the Pacers will be roughly 35 million under the salary cap. With the re-signing of McRoberts for more money and Jeff Foster for less (assuming he does not retire) allowing Doneleavy, Jones, and Ford to all walk, the Pacers should still be with in 30 million under the cap if not more based on what a fan has said about re-signing Josh McRoberts. Now what I think the Pacers need to do when the NBA free agency period hits is first look at signing a big name shooting guard or athletic big man or two to a long-term deal that will not effect them re-signing Paul Goerge, DC, Hibbert, or Psycho T when their contracts are up. Here the names Tyson Chandler, David West, and Jason Richardson have been tossed around. Although the Pacers may be able to sign 2 of these 3 big names (likely just one and a semi big name) they still should possess a need for either an athletic big man or shooting guard.
Now after the Pacers ink a big name player or 2 they should have a need for a player at either the shooting guard, power forward, or center position. Here's where the Pacers may need to explore the trade market. Now looking at the Pacers active roster for next season we can conclude this
SF-Danny Granger-High if not the most trade value of anyone on the team
SF-Paul George-High trade value
SF-James Posey-Basically no trade value unless included in a package deal with Psycho T, Hibbert, Paul George, or Danny Granger.
PF-Tyler "Psycho T" Hansbrouhg-High trade value
G-Lance Stephenson-No trade value
G-AJ Price-Little to no trade value
SG-Brandon Rush-Little to no trade value
SG-Dahntay Jones-Little to no trade value
C-Roy Hibbert-High trade value
When exploring the trade market, I think the Pacers need to place Danny Granger, James Posey, and either Brandon Rush or Dahntay Jones in a package deal for 2 players from another team with one of those players being either an elite shooting guard or athletic big man at either the center or PF position depending on what the Pacers get in the 2011 free agent market. So the question now becomes who should the Pacers place on the trading block in a package deal involving Danny Granger and James Posey between Dahntay Jones and Brandon Rush?
Personally I say place the package deal of Danny Granger, James Posey, and Dahntay Jones on the trading block so the Pacers can get rid of all their assholes from Duke the poop that makes you wanna Puke. And no Josh McRoberts is not an asshole from Duke, he grew up in Carmel Indiana, does not have an NCAA ring, and only went to Duke the poop for 2 years because he wanted to play in the NBA ASAP. And as for who the Pacers should trade Danny Granger, James Posey and either Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones or both for, toy around with the ESPN trade machine I'm very interested to see what we the fans can come up with. Other reason's why the Pacers would want to put Jones on the trading block in a package with Danny Granger & James Posey instead of Rush would be because his contract is bigger and longer, his PPG & RPG stats are lower then Rush's, and he is older then Rush.
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Why does everyone want to trade Danny?
I’d like to know exactly which team and what players people want in exchange for Danny, because everyone on here seems to be pushing for the team to trade Danny, and I have no idea why. He’s best the player we have and we are finally in the playoffs and people want to see him go? This doesn’t make sense.
So, finish the thought. We should trade Granger for _______.
You should read my post closer
I said the Pacers should put Danny Granger on the trading block assuming they cannot get a few elite athletic big men and an elite shooting guard in the 2011 free agent market. If the Pacers can land Tyson Chandler, David West, and Jason Richardson in the free agent market I don’t think there is really any need to put Danny Granger on the trading block but like I said earlier I highly doubt the Pacers can land all 3 of those guys. And if they can’t then I think they need to put Danny Granger on the trading block in a package deal with James Posey and either Brandon Rush or Dahntay Jones for 2 guys from another team. Now note, I said put Granger on the trading block, I did not once in this post say that the Pacers needed to trade Granger if they can’t get an elite SG or big man out of him. All I’m saying is that if the Pacers can’t fix all their needs in this year’s free agency if there is one they need to put Granger on the trading block AFTER THEY SIGN A BIG NAME FA or 2 or 3.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
a FEW elite athletic big man?
pretty sure that’s not happening
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I know
That’s why I said the Pacers may need to put Granger on the trading block and and elite SG is even less likely to happen in the free agent market.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved this quote:
the Pacers should still be with in 30 million under the cap if not more based on what a fan has said about re-signing Josh McRoberts.
Somewhere Peter Vecesy is nodding
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket. ~Abe Lemons
Find me at IndyCornrows
and Hickory-High
I'm still not sure...
why everyone one wants us to spend all this money in an off season with a very weak FA class.
I maintain we re-sign McBob and let everyone else walk. The only FAs I want to bring in next year are roster fillers that play for a year while our new rookies get accustomed.
If we can get a decent defensive big (i’m thinking of the Nzar Mohammed or Brandon Bass level) to fill in for Foster than we will be a better team next year, make the playoffs and be in even better position to try and land a big fish in 2012…when the big fish will actually be there.
by PIERREismyHOMEBOY on Mar 22, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
Is next years FA class really any better????
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, you tell me.
Kevin Love, Chris Paul, Derron Williams, Michael Beasley, Eric Gordon, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, etc…. Granted a great number of those guys are restricted, but still free agents nonetheless.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Mar 22, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And aside from Nash do you really think those guys teams are going to let them go
Plus the Pacers are going to have their hands full next year when Roy Hibbert becomes a free agent.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
I think Dwight Howard will be leaving. Chris Paul. Derron Williams is quite likely. Eric Gordon is possible. All these guys could get away if they make it clear they will not be happy where they are. I would expect Westbrook to stay. I don’t have any expectation of someone wanting to stay in Minny.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Mar 22, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Names to trade for...
Here are some guys I think the Pacers should trade for:
Shane Battier
Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Luol Deng
Chris Duhon
Grant Hill
Corey Maggette
Shelden Williams
These guys would be perfect additions to the Pacers so that PatsR18 is forced to become a fan of an NBA team full of Duke players.
The FAULK
by incredibleFAULK on Mar 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Those assholes all suck!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d rather go for someone like a David West or Jason Richardson.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus none of those pricks need to be on the Pacers roster anyways aside from Carlos Boozer who will not be on the trading block
Carlos Boozer-OK, he would be good for the Pacers, but let be completely honest, do we really think the Bulls will even begin to be willing to trade him?
Elton Brand-Overpaid
Shane Battier-Overpaid and play’s a position the Pacers do not need
Loul Deng-plays a position the Pacers don’t need
Chris Duhon-Overpaid and plays a position the Pacers DO NOT NEED.
Grant Hill-Over the hill and play’s a position the Pacers do not need
Corey Maggette-Plays a position the Pacers do not need
Sheldon Williams-First round bust just like JJ Reddick who is Ridiculously overrated.
Nice try. And sorry about the first response, I didn’t see Carlos Boozer’s name. Boozer would make a great addition to the Pacers but I don’t think the Bulls want to get rid of him.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Next time try some names such as say:
Kevin Martin, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Jason Terry, Joe Johnson, Kris Kaman, or Eric Gordon.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was sarcasm dude
You know, apparently you have an issue with duke, he was poking fun at that
by PIERREismyHOMEBOY on Mar 22, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Who doesn't in this state
Aside from Josh McRoberts all the players the Pacers have from Duke suck and were only either signed to take up a roster spot or traded for to get rid of someone. Plus Duke always does good in the NCAA and beat Butler when Butler should have won last season in the NCAA finals. Plus all Dukes fans are assholes who listen to Justin Bieber and the Backstreet Boys anyways.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot JJ!
we should also look at signing Greg Paulus to run some backup point
I didn't forget that little prick
Plus Paulus tea bags too many guys on the court anyways. That’s how he earned the nick name “Tea bag Paulus”.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you know what's even better
Duke fans crying about a certain PAY BACK sweeping of their (or well at least most of the Duke the Poop Fans) favorite NBA team. Because in college sports Carolina may be good, but in pro sports especially with Duke fans who are also Bobcats fans it’s a state for LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 24, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot that we can draft...
…Kyle Singler or Nolan Smith.
Kidding, though Nolan Smith would actually be an ok pick at 15 IMHO.
peac.e
No he wouldn't
Everyone knows Nolan Smith, Kyrie Irving, and Kyle Singler (especially Singler) are draft bust waiting to happen. Just like everyone else who comes from Duke the poop that makes you wanna puke aside from Grant “Over the Hill” Hill, Corey McGetty (who never really was that great), Josh McRoberts, and of course Carlos Boozer.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAAATTTT!?!?!?!?!
Kyrie Irving is gonna be great. Who the hell is calling him a bust?
by infinityzero.systemerror on Mar 22, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No he isn't
Right now the only McDonalds All American Dookie worth a damn in the NBA is Carlos Boozer and maybe McRoberts and McGetty
Plus look at Dukes recent history with top 10 McDonalds All American picks something IRVING WILL BE
Shane Battier-Bust
Sheldon Williams-Bust
Mike Dunleavy-Bust and trash our team has to put up with
Jason “Jay” Williams-Injury prone, NBA career cut short, technically a bust.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey I'm just being honest
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple of the guys you named are just not worthy of where they were selected.
Mike Dunleavy has put together a solid career. Shane Battier has put together a solid career. They aren’t bust, you could consider them disappointments based on where they were drafted, but they hardly fail to the level of Darko or Brown.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Mar 22, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
Basing a players ability off of past athletes that attended the same college is simply wrong. Watch Irving and you can tell he is something special. He is a freshman <<<< and he was playing like he’d be there for 4 years. He is/will be everything a team could want in a PG; floor leader, scoring ability, passing ability, court awareness, and most importantly he makes everyone around him better. Base a players ability on his own skills not the school or other players.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Mar 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No he won't
He’s just end up being injury prone and a wasted pick just like everyone else from Duke aside from a few people.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah speaking of Dookies BTW
Jon Scheyer had one of the worst UDFA summer league seasons in NBA history. He is also extremely lucky to be playing in the NBA D-League. Oh well I know that asshole would suck ass in the NBA just like Irving, SIngler, and Smith will (OK maybe all of them aside from Singler won’t suck as bad as Scheyer but neither will ever have a championship ring in the NBA (at least as a starter).
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
OK there Disappointments
Either way you look at it they have been huge waste of money
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting in a motorcycle accident qualifies you as injury prone?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket. ~Abe Lemons
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That Motorcycle injury
Still punched his ticket out of basketball.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that's not really the same as being injury prone
That’s being motorcycle accident prone
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We are not going to land a big name free agent
Indiana has to rank near the absolute bottom of free agent destinations. Its cold here. We don’t have a flashy vibrant club scene. We expect a lot from our players regarding personal conduct. We are not going to compete for a title for years to come.
The only thing we have to offer is money, which means we will overpay anyone we sign.
We got our star players by drafting them (Reggie, Granger, Person) or trading for young assets that blossomed (JO, Artest).
That is the blueprint. Get picks and get young players with potential. We are going to have to be the underdog for a while and that is ok. Eventually we will build a roster that has a nice mix of successful draft picks, up and coming young guys, and a couple of exciting projects. Then when we can win more than half of our games and be a real threat in the playoffs, we can look at adding a high $ player to put us over the top.
What's an extra million mean?
Guys give up millions all the time to play with contenders. Not that many guys are going to look at Indiana and think “contender!”
Indyccr has it right. That’s not to say that we shouldn’t try to find a star who thinks Indy is a great place to raise his kids, but I would not even look at anyone over 27 or 28 for anything other than a role.
DC, RH, TH, PG and our next draft choice are a fantastic bang for the buck. Yeah, we need more, but have you heard about the lockout? The sport is either going to cave or take a multi-billion dollar hit, ala MLB. To cave is smart, so they’ll screw it up, and try to keep us from noticing how much the NBA paid for NO. Then after they’ve devalued the league, the Pacers will be in good shape.
Cynic? Me?
What's wrong with signing someone big if he doesn't effect the Pacers re-signing guys like Hibbert and Psycho T
The Pacers are not that bad of a team, they are young, in the playoffs, and on paper technically look like an up and coming NBA contender with a few pieces missing.
Were not going to get an allstar out of Danny Granger were not the Lakers, but I think we can land and elite player out of him since I would consider Granger to be an elite SF.
Our chances at the draft lottery are running out and may not happen for a long time
And so what if we don’t have a flashy club scene, warm weather, or an ocean, Indiana is still a better place to play basketball then Detroit, Cleveland, Charlotte and some other cities that have NBA teams. Plus we still have our basketball legacy.
I think we still have a shot at, at least one big name free agent this year, because none of them who sign with a different team will likely be all stars and there are allot of big market teams who are also contenders who have their rosters set such as say the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Heat, Bulls, and Spurs.
To me the 3 biggest teams who pose a competition to us are the Nets, Wizards, and Clippers. Since the Clippers are in the same location as the Lakers I don’t think many people like to play for them that long and the Nets and Wizards have allot more re-building to do then the Pacers. So who’s to say the Pacers don’t have a shot next season at signing a big name free agent who isn’t an NBA all star?
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d put feelers out there for Danny, but I wouldn’t shop him. Then take a look at Kris Humphries, Aaron Afflalo, and Thaddeus Young. Then save the rest.
Trade Hibbert
If there’s a weak link in the Indy starting 5 with trade value, it is Roy Hibbert. Granger is not the weak link folks. Get a punishing Center who can get you 10 rebounds a night, please.
Are you nuts
Who else is going to play center????
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone who can grab more than five rebounds a game
like Foster, Solomon Jones…or wait, let’s see practically anyone. Why are you so enamoured with Hibbert?
My point exactly
There are none (well I guess Yao is a free agent, but as Pacers fans do we really want another injury prone center on out team).
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nene
He’ll probably opt out
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Who cares
The Pacers don’t need Yao.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about dude?
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
But you're the only one who's talking about that
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Maybe he just wants years
I’d pay him more than I would Tyson Chandler. 5/$50? But of course, only if we needed a center for some reason…
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Both have injury issues
I’d love to have either. I’d pay a little more for Nene, but I’d much rather save half the money (or more) and bring in Dalambert or Kwame Brown…or even resign Foster for like $4mil./2 years.
Unless you think we should let Hibbert walk or find a trade for him before next Feb. I don’t think we can afford to give an 8 figure annual deal to a guy who’s injury prone and is ideally suited for a spot we already have a marginally acceptable player at (especially a position that is the hardest to fill).
I wouldn’t hate Nene for 5/$50mil. but I bet he gets 15-20% more than that, and that’s too much. Chandler might be enough cheaper to make him worth pursuing if Cuban didn’t have his Bird rights.
peac.e
I don't count that one.
I think he’s had some knee issues (or back maybe) in the past.
Also, he’s having his best year when he’s coming up on a player option, that always worries me.
Chandler may not have a ton of skill, but he’s a 7 foot freak athlete that always gives 100% (from what I’ve seen).
peac.e
Kwame Brown are you nuts??????
He is the all time biggest first round bust straight out of high school in NBA history.
He was booed like crazy when he played for Washington
He was the most hated man in the state of California when he played for the Lakers (more hated then Stephen “Just Shoot Me” Jackson was in the state of Indiana when he played for the Pacers)
He sucked when he played for the Grizzlies and was acquired in that stupid god awful Pau Gassol trade (by far the worst and most unfair one of this decade)
He got owned by the Cavs in the playoffs when he played for the stolen Pistons who turned all their fans into convicts.
And everyone knows he is only playing half way decent for the Bob Cats so he can get a contract 2 years or longer and go back to being a lazy drunk!!!!!!!!!!
Delambert may be worth a 1-2 year deal though if we can get him cheap.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd be here to...
…play 10-15mpg. Not many 7 footers with his shot blocking and rebounding ability that will be out there for near league min. If someone gives him more let them.
peac.e
I'm with batshit crazy guy who started this post on this one...
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
Come visit The Fantasy Ninjas. We'd love to hear from you.
Anyone who hates the pats i like but dude u r strange, u sound like u know all these players personally or something...
and u let ur hate cloud ur judgement. Just because someone writes it on the internet doesnt make it fact
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you questioning that I have wrote about Kwame Brown????
He’s not a good fit for the Pacers unless they can get him dirt cheap on a one year deal.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ur just off the wall but ur entitled to that and its entertaining so do ur thing....
IMO Browns done a lot to improve and mature and would be a great cheap fit for backup C/PF seven foot athletic a. bynum before a bynum.
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And he showed that
So he could get a bigger longer contract and go back to slacking off.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kwame and Dalembert are losers, frankly... where ever they go, teams try and get rid of them
Why is that?
Because they paid them like winners
I’m saying moderately priced backup. One for around MLE and one for around League min.
Or we could overpay for David West, Nene, Randolph, or 55 games of a healthy Ty Chandler.
OR we could do what I’ve been saying and take on a bad contract that comes along with an extra 1st round pick or 2.
We can’t just not sign anyone. There is a luxury tax for being under the minimum payroll threshold.
peac.e
No player out there is too expensive, man, the Pacers have 30+ million yearly to spend...
by golly, get me Tyson Chandler, K-Mart or Nene. The Pacers can afford to overpay one of them at least.
K-Mart (Kenyon not Kevin) is a bit old
Plus the Pacers could wait till next season when Dwight Howard is a free agent.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He's still a lock down defender of anyone with a post game...
and he can rebound and score when needed as well.
So we overpay for a player...
…that will eat into the minutes of Hibbert and/or Hansbrough, prevent us from signing or trading for any other impact players and will probably only get us a handful more wins and most likely not even get us out of the 1st round.
I’m not saying we don’t look into making an offer, but I completely disagree with the NEED to bring in a high priced free agent and pay them the kind of money that it will take to get a sought after player to come to a mediocore team, in an undesirable market, with little chance of winning a title any time soon.
no thanks
peac.e
thought...
I don’t think K-mart falls anywhere near the other guys you posted. If he’ll settle for a 2 year, $8 mil. deal then I’d be ok.
peac.e
Well, if you're hiring Dalembert and Kwame, you're not getting ANY more wins
so why waste your millions? If you want to go cheap then sign a fringe player like Solo…If you want improvement, you have to spend the bucks.
Kwame is only marginally better than Solo Jones…he’s not even worth discussing as far as team improvement since his attitude is so bad he had a hard time finding anyone who wanted him…
I agree on brown...
But Kmart is not a center. We could really use a back up center and I think people are not giving Sam enough credit for the consistant, if not somewhat unimpresive production he brings. There’s no real reliable way to quantify it, but I think Dalambert makes us better while Kmart does very little and I’d rather give the minutes we’d give to Kmart to a resigned Josh. Again, I don’t think we need to spend anymore than we have to to get to the payroll floor that is required to avoid luxury tax….unless we are getting good-to-great value. I’m concerned with the philosophy that we have cap space, so let’s spend it even if we are over paying….no thanks.
peac.e
Cole Aldrich
But I don’t know why he hasn’t seen more time. His numbers don’t look bad.
He's slow
He’s a shorter Hibbert. Imagine if Hibbert was 6’10" with a little less skill…pretty awful.
peac.e
No way - Hibbert has got length you can't find just anywhere...
What we need is a physical, punishing Power Forward to take the defensive pressure off of Hibbert. Pyscho-T isn’t quite there, and we know Granger is never going to be a presence at the 4. We need a Dale Davis – someone who’ll put up 10 and 10 while bodying up the bigs of our opponents.
And give Hibbert some credit – he’s improved each year in the league, in both scoring and rebounding (and defense – his blocked shots are up this year at almost 2 per game) – and he averages more than 5 rebounds a game, let’s not be ridiculous.
I think Peyton Manning could win both the Super Bowl and Presidential election in 2012.
by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Mar 29, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the key.
I don’t think we NEED to trade Hibbert. He does pretty well using his size despite his general lack of mobility and ability to play above the rim. But, unless you have Lebron and Wade in your backcourt, you can’t be a very good team with Hibbert and an equally average, unathletic PF. 7’2" is hard to duplicate, but a 6’10" guy with better hops can be just as good or better. Hibbert hasn’t improved as much as you might think. His scoring is up, but his scoring efficiency (per shot, 1.14 is pretty bad, and per 48 minutes) is down slightly versus last year (though he’s been better under Vogel) and his rebounding has probably benefited more from Murphy’s absence than from improved ability. 7.6rpg in 28mpg, isn’t that good for a 7’2" center on a team with no other good rebounders to compete with (Foster rarely plays when Hibbert is on the floor). The most impresive stat for Hibbs improvement in my mind is fewer fouls in more minutes along with a slight uptick in blocks.
peac.e
I'd really like to see Hibbert develop a mid-range jumper ala Rik Smits
If he isn’t going to bang the boards every possession, he needs to add another dimension like stretching the D a little. I think he’ll continue to develop as a pro, and I don’t think a stat line in the neighborhood of 17 and 10 is that outrageous for next year.
I am going to defend Hibbert b/c I don’t think he’s what’s wrong with the team. Sure, he could be more physical, but so could everyone on the roster. I see him still as a work-in-progress who has yet to play his best basketball as a pro. He’ll still get better, no doubt. He just needs some help on the front line.
by SaurKraut and Football on Mar 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i think in this league u get a center with good size and better than average talent u hold on for grim death
exactly
Hibby should be untouchable unless we get a ridiculous offer that is purely one-sided to the pacers.
Thank you
Plus Hibbert gives back to the fans anyways. He got Superfan to go blue and gold along with blue and white and ever hear of area 55?
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
this just in...
Hibby’s untouchable, next season, after a little taste of playoffs, he’ll come roaring back with a vengeance and some much needed bulk.
Hope we see Superfan there
Just like with the Colts.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
seems to me
he won the nets game for us. a wins a win and hibbert will get better.
Don't really understand your gripe against Hibbert
Sure he isn’t perfect but he has a lot more talent/upside than what’s available.
The guys still improving.
maybe we could swing a deal...
i’d like to get aldridge personally, maybe give up granger, hansborough, jones, plus a couple first rounders.
what else would we get besides aldridge? we’d better get alot more than just aldridge for what your willing to give up.
Portland wouldn't touch that deal
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No!!!!!!!!
We need to keep Psycho T and we need draft picks but other then that sounds like a plan if we can land Jason Richardson in the free agent market.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus that trade wouldn't work anyways
The salaries don’t match even without Psycho T.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
aldrridge is legit
has been for a while, ppl just didn’t know because of brandon roy. but yeah, portland won’t be shopping him.
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draft kenneth faried, trade next years 1st and cash for someones pick in the 20s and draft jajuan johnson. Try and get draft etwaun moore in the second round or Lighty from ohio st.
Only way Im tradin DG is for two low lottery picks or the equivalent.
Id try to sign Thaddeus or Nick Young if we can get em for good value. Some off color FA that could possibly bring experience of the good and bad to our young guys would be (dont laugh) Kwame Brown and Tracy Mcgrady. Also, a good value pickup might be Reggie Evans. Otherwise, I’d bank the mmoney help the franchise stabilize with an eye on future FAs and resigning talent instead of lettin em go somewhere else and win a championship.
Not to familiar with Aaron Afflalo but he semms pretty popular, if someon wants to fill me in on why.
Afflalo is a smaller, younger Danny Granger
He shoots like 50% from the floor and 44% or something from 3pt range. Along with Nene, Felton, Wilson Chandler, and (some nights) JR Smith, he’s the reason Denver is winning more without Melo.
peac.e
Bigger Issue
We need to sign a coach before we do anything. Then get players to fit in with what that coach wants to do. I think the SG and PF/C needs are going to be there in any system, but which exact ones to pursue should be a decision we make after the coach. Keep in mind this Vogel system is temporary for the time being and this distribution of minutes isn’t going to be permanent.
I know everyone wants us to use all the capspace to go into next season looking at something like a 45 win roster
But I think I’d rather pick up a few solid pieces that get us up to the salary floor. Wait for another couple teams to become disgruntled with their big time player (remember when Iggy was on the block? Gerald Wallace? etc etc) and we can literally just absorb their salary, that’d be huge. I just don’t really want to spend the money on actual FAs, rather take on good players from another team that’s cutting money.
This is also assuming there IS a next season. I don’t know if the NBA works like the NFL but we may not even be able to make any contact with players this offseason with the lockout.
I don't know what to do. At all.
I'm in the same boat.
I’m still in favor of a tear down rebuild of acquiring a few extra 1st rounders over the next half decade, acquire valuable pieces and let our young guys take their lumps and get some top 5-8 picks of our own.
But, I’m defenately on board with, “But I think I’d rather pick up a few solid pieces that get us up to the salary floor.”
peac.e
I keep thinking of the Dale for Jermaine trade
Look for the teams that are deep. They don’t always know what they’ve got.
A good for us way
We traded Dale’s twilight for Jermaine’s best years. That’s what I was thinking. Do the Mavericks really know what they have sitting on the bench?
Some guys seem to fall off a cliff when they go over thirty, and unless you are talking about a Derrick McKey or Mark Jackson,. I wouldn’t look to acquire anyone over 27 or 28. And given the way salaries are figured these days, the younger the better.
I agree.
The only player over 30 that I’d consider signing to more than a year or two is Dalambert. He’s played in 82 games 3 years straight (he missed one game this year). He wouldn’t be expected to do a ton and I think if we could get him in for around the MLE or maybe just a hair over, I’d do it. The key for me with any free agent move is to make sure it’s going to be for an amount of money that is inmovable and that trade value is likely to be retained. If he was cheap I think he’d be a great change of pace to Hibbert off the bench. I don’t think 30 is really an age to be completely afraid of. We may not be ready to really compete for top playoff spots for another 3 or 4 years so I wouldn’t spend much money on a guy over 30 cause he may really be hitting the wall by 32 or 33.
Unless we are strictly talking about moving Granger, or one of our other guys that are becoming “proven” I don’t see how we have a guy that falls into that Dale Davis mold to move for an unused guy like JO was.
peac.e
Samuel Dalambert
Has played 82 games the last 4 seasons and only missed 2 games so far this year.
He’s probably not going to cost a ton (maybe just a smidge over MLE…maybe not even that much). I think he would be a very solid backup center and could even play a few minutes at PF along with Roy IIIFFFF Roy can focus on his 18 footers and Sam can just play put back and O-board clean up like Foster.
I also wouldn’t mind offering Stuckey an MLE or a little more. He can play both gaurd spots. Could push Collison to bench, start at SG if absolutely necessary, or just come off the bench and backup both gaurd spots.
This would still give us a max contract and a little more worth of cap space in 2012 when Posey and Rush come off the books.
Still favor complete tear down to only sub-25 year olds and stock piling draft picks, but if we are going to add vet FAs around our core, let’s maintain that cap flexibility.
peac.e
I don't know why no one mentions him.
He seems like he would be a very solid backup center.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Mar 22, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
…someone mentioned Kwame Brown. He’d probably be even cheaper and may not require a 3-4 year deal like Dalambert might.
peac.e
Dude Kwame Brown is a bad idea
He’s a drunk who everyone knows is going to be a waste of money this season.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his DUI was when he was 20 years old.
I’m not talking about giving him the same money as Dalambert. Just a smidge over league min. for 1-2 years…if he’s our best option.
peac.e
He wouldn't take that anyways
But if he takes that for one year which will likely not happen then maybe he is worth the risk.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Kwame was 21 when he got his DUI
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we r not all perfect like u some 21 yos make mistakes like drinking and trying to drive home
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never got A DUI
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
either have but prolly not for lack of trying, but like i said not all of us canb live up to the standard of perfection that you set forth..
that and you ve probably never been invited anywhere social where drinking and having fun happens
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
actauly i apologize that was rude...
I just hate when people use youthful mistakes as a reason to not hire a bball player. not his skills or work ethic but something totally non related. Im all about having good character guys on the Pacers but at the same time its the NBA, njot the National character association
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My point exactly that's why Kwamie WOULD NOT BE A GOOD PACER
He has a bad work ethics.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree when u give a kid millions and fame very few will have a good work ethic when everythings been given to them...
but hes fallen as hard as anyone i can think of and has worked his way back to very respectable numbers. I think he has matured and like any human being thats usualy what it takes. Few peopl have great work ethic that young. but where most have quit or totally faded into obscurity he has taken control of his life and career again. And people who have the hoofspa ( spelling?) to do that is a guy I want on my team when things look bleak.
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
one more thing...
to get a seven footer w his skill set for cheap ur almost guarnteed to have question marks otherwise hed be making too much to consider. Kinda like the draft. Hes a great risk reward gamble in my book. He will be pretty cheap.
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the greatest thing I've ever read.
I have never got a DUI
actually I have.
Classic. I’m really starting to like this guy.
peac.e
Stuckey hugh
A stolen Pistons surrendering to his worst enemy, I LOVE IT!!!!!!
But I doubt it happens, Stuckey is a restricted FA. Plus the Pistons will free up allot of cap space by releasing Tayshaun Prince. Even though I would take Stuckey in A Pacers uniform any day over Jason Richardson.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good idea too
But I don’t really know how we could make that happen but I LIKE IT!!!!!!
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
By offering him a fair deal.
The Pistons hold a qualifying offer. He’d be stupid to sign anything they give him without hearing offers from a few other teams b/c the Pistons can match whatever he gets if they want.
peac.e
good idea
I’d like to see us out bid the stolen Pistons who turned all their fans into convicts on this guy. Plus I think he would be a better pick up for the Pacers instead of Jason Richardson anyways.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Dalembert
Don’t think he’s worth the MLE, or over it, given his offensive weakness. But he’d be a great fit as a backup.
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Yeah.
But, Hibbert and Hans shoot plenty, we don’t need a ton of offense from 2nd string C/ 3rd string PF.
I’d start to offer him like $18mil/4 years or something, but if he’s holding out for more I think I’d offer MLE + 2-3% more to make sure he doesn’t go somewhere else…
This is of course if we are trying to build an immediately better team and still spend responsibly.
peac.e
Delambert would be good
If we could get him cheap for a 1-2 year deal.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
only prob i see w dalembert is he makes 8 figures and i doubt he has hard time finding someone to over pay him
by Justin Arnold on Mar 22, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps. There's a lot of teams under the cap
But, once the Randolphs, Wests, and Nenes settle, there may not be enough teams out there looking to overpay for a guy who’s proven to be nothing more than a fringe starting center. I doubt he gets much more than like 4 years $24…maybe 28mil. That’s only a few million more than I’d be willing to offer him. Around 5.5-6mil starting and going down slightly each year. I’d do it.
Or, how about this. 2011-12= $5.2mil.
2012-13= $4.7mil
2013-14= $5.2mil
2014-15= $5.8mil
Something like that would give us a few hundred extra thousands to work with in 2012 when we’ll have even more cap room, but also have to worry about re-signing Hibbs.
I doubt he’ll get more than that, and he can start at center or be a backup, but that is a fair price for 7-8pts/7-8rbs and 1.5bpg. If he’s a vet with a track record of solid play and good health.
peac.e
Hansbrough is untouchable
This guy will be a force in this league within 2 years. He’s already gettting 20 or 30 points most games. We need to build a core now, that will be able to back up whatever stars Larry Legend can afford. (Unless he’s out) Granger, on the other hand, has been very streaky, to the point of offering almost nothing some nights. I think he’s definitely tradeable at this point. Also, a little sidenote: GET POSEY OUT OF INDIANAPOLIS. He is pitiful on the court, no matter how many championship rings he has.
t.smith
My new Pacers Mantra...
No age or Injuries on this team. Only age I want is what comes with years of players playin together
fact of the matter
any 4/5 with athleticism/skill won’t come here unless we trade valuables or draft em. Only players worth signing for the money would be role players/MLE guys.
I agree...a free agent will go where the money is.
it might be a stretch to think Chandler would play here since he wins so much in Dallas, and Cuban has a number of perks he can offer players, but it’s not a stretch to see K Mart or Nene in Indy if you show them the money and/or the years.
How much money do you think it's going to take to get....
…a 35 year old PF who’s been a shell of his former self and isn’t worth a one year MLE right now with his injury history?
peac.e
Get 'em while they're young
Give them the shot they couldn’t get. DC got his starter’s job. So did Jermaine. If you are sitting on the bench behind some 29 year old, Indiana can look sweet.
I agree...
…but those guys were traded for. One panned out in the short term…the other is….doing ok so far.
peac.e
I feel like PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING is a force of nature
dude’s posted like 50 comments, but this is a freakin’ active thread
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