Should the Pacers hire Donnie Walsh?
On March 13th, it was reported on SB nation Indy and ESPN by NY Post columnist Peter Vescey that Larry Bird has sold his house in Indiana and is moving to Florida where his son plans on finishing college and could be done after this season as the Pacers GM. Vescey also reported that the Pacers may also be looking bringing back Donnie Walsh as their GM. Now I know Donnie Walsh has done some great things for the HATED New York Knicks who hired and fired allot of people before he came in. And I understand that from 1987-2002 Donnie Walsh traded for Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Chris Mullin, Derrick McKey, Jermaine O'Neal, and Mark Jackson. Along with drafting Reggie Miller over Indiana native Steve Alford out of IU and drafting Rik Smits, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere, Al Harrington, Travis Best, Dale Davis, and Antonio Davis. And making draft day trades for Jalen Rose and Jeff Foster. But Donnie Walsh also had a few bad moves in this time period as well. He traded away Antonio Davis to draft Jonathan Bender in 1999 and drafted Jamaal Tinsley in 2001. And since 2003 his track record with the Pacers has not been good and Larry Bird has been cleaning up the mess he made from 2004-2006.
So Here's a list of some notable things Donnie Walsh has done from 2003-2006
2003-Traded Brad Miller for Scot Pollard in a sign and trade deal.
2004-After losing to the HATED stolen Pistons (note I call them the stolen Pistons because they originated in Ft. Wayne Indiana) who turned all their fans into convicts in the Eastern Conference Finals. He inked Jamaal Tinsley to a long-term deal (something allot of us hoosiers were against) so he could get lazy and sit on his ass in strip clubs. Then he made the worst trade in franchise history that me and allot of other people knew was a bad idea from the start when he got rid of Al Harrington for Stephen "Just Shoot Me" Jackson and his fat ass over priced long-term contract. And even though Al Harrington did request to be traded, trading him for someone like the Gun Jack (AKA Stephen Jackson) was a huge mistake on Donnie's part.
2005-Decided to make another stupid move when he traded Austin Croshere for Marquis Daniels and his fat ass overpriced contract. Then he made another stupid move Bird was against when he signed Šarūnas Jasikevičius to an overpriced contract. But I will give credit where credit is due in 2005 Donnie Walsh did draft Danny Granger who was inked to a long-term deal by Larry Bird.
2006-In January of 2006, Donnie Walsh traded Ron "Rappin’ Ron" Artest my all time favorite Pacer after being suspended for a year thanks to the stolen Pistons asshole convict fans for Peja Stojakovic who only played with the Pacers in 2006 till just after the playoffs with an injury plagued season, because the team couldn’t re-sign him due to a bunch of long-term over-priced morons Donnie Walsh put on the team YES I’M TALKING TO YOU MARQUIS DANIELS, STEPHEN "JUST SHOOT ME" JACKSON, AND JAMAAL TINSLEY!!!!!! Then he took Shawnie Williams who turned out to be a walking arrest in the first round of the 2006 draft. Then to make matters worst Donnie Walsh decided Al Harrington was worth the 11th pick in the 2007 NBA draft and James White who was waived by the Pacers in 2006 was worth the 11th pick in the second round of the 2007 NBA draft. Another mistake Walsh made in 2006 was when he traded Anthony Johnson for Darrell Armstrong, Rawle Marshall, and Josh Powell.
Now I know Larry Bird was also in the management for the Pacers when all this went down, but Donnie Walsh was the head guy so I think he gets most of the blame for the mess Bird has been cleaning up ever since he was promoted to GM. Donnie Walsh in my mind will never be welcome back in the Pacers front office it’s time to move on with either Larry Bird or Kevin Pritchard.
Now Drafting Danny Granger wasn't the only good thing Walsh has done for the Pacers since 2003 by trading Al Harrington for a bunch of trash from another team he was able to get rid of the Gun Jack (AKA Stehpen Jackson) and Šarūnas Jasikevičius.
So should Donnie Walsh return to the Pacers you decide, personally I think he punched his ticket out of the franchise when he traded for Al Harrington.
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I agree that I'd rather not grab Walsh.
I want Kevin Pritchard. But dude, that post was so nonsensical and confusing. Try spacing the paragraphs, using fewer unnecessary nicknames and organizing your thoughts.
by bigdawg9292 on Mar 21, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the advice
I fixed all that I thought was necessary to fix. I don’t want to get rid of the nick names either, because I really really hated Stephen Jackson and Shawnie Williams when they played for the Pacers. And I always liked to call Ron Artest Rappin Ron when he played for the Pacers.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You need to remember context...again you haven't done your research
Brad Miller for Scott Pollard was a sign-and-trade. Milller had already agreed to a contract with Sacramento. Pollard had fewer years remaining and the Pacers sent out as much salary as they could in that deal so they could shave significant cap off the top. It’s not like Walsh just woke up one day and said “hey, you know what…Scott Pollard is WAY better than Brad Miller! I think I’ll make this trade!”
Again, there’s no evidence that the Harrington-for-Jackson deal was one that the Pacers were dying to make. Al requested a trade. Remember, the Hawks were awful at the time, and the Pacers were trying to acquire some veterans with playoff experience. Al wanted to be “the guy” for a bad team where he could take as many shots as he wanted, Walsh wanted a ring. Jackson had a ring. And his “fat ass” contract? I don’t have the details for Jackson’s contract, but at the time he was a coveted free agent, he was young, and if I remember correctly, the Hawks got him for a good deal. In fact, for all his faults, he was never overpaid, relative to other players his age and skill level.
I’ll give you that I didn’t understand trading Croshere for Daniels, as Cro was expiring. But like we always talk about, maybe Walsh assumed he couldn’t get a player of Daniels’ caliber (remember: young, versatile, good defender, playoff experience) in the free agent market for the money he would’ve saved by letting Croshere expire. But at the very least you have to remember Daniels’ market value…no one in the league thought we got ripped off. He just ruined his own value when he got here.
Sarunas? Who cares? His deal wasn’t that long, and it wasn’t that expensive. It was a fair gamble that didn’t pay off. It’s not like he drafted Darko Milicic with the #2 pick or something.
I don’t know where to begin with your third statement regarding Artest for Stojakovic. If you don’t understand the Artest scenario, I’m not sure where you’ve been. AGAIN, Artest REQUESTED A TRADE. This after he caused the most significant fan-related brawl in NBA history and told management he wanted to quit basketball to start a record lable. How the hell could the Pacers justify NOT trading him? Peja for Ron was a strict salary dump. And when they traded Peja to New Orleans they obtained a huge trade exception, because, again, Peja didn’t want to re-sign.
I think you’re on to something here, and that is that Walsh is overrated and shouldn’t be invited back into our front office, which is soon to be in upheaval. But if you’re looking for glaring examples of his mismanagement, look no further than Jon Bender, signing Austin Croshere to an extension in the first place and agreeing to part ways with Jackson for so many bad contracts.
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Thank you Luke
Finally, a well thought out response to PatsR18andDone. Usually when I read his posts, my brain locks up because its so far out there. I agree with your post Luke, except I don’t think Bender was that bad of a pick, we were just unlucky with injuries. It would be as if Steven Strasburg never comes back from this Tommy John surgery he had. Should the National’s GM be raked over the coals for taking a great player who happened to get hurt? By most accounts, Bender was the most athletic guy on the team when he could actually go, and even a shell of his former self was a decently productive guy on the Knicks last year (or the year before, I can’t recall).
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1.Sorry about not doing research on everything
2.Walsh still should have known better then to trade Al Harrington for Stephen “Just Shoot Me” Jackson and his fat ass over priced contract.
3.Ron"Rappin Ron" Artest requested to be traded and held out then after he was traded he wanted back in Indiana. I know it’s weird but then again that’s Rappin Ron for ya.
4.Although Rappin Ron shouldn’t have jumped into the stands, the Detroit fan brawl was still mainly the stolen Piston’s convict fans fault there the reason Ron Artest is not a Pacer anymore.
5.Parting ways with Jackson and Harrington for a bunch of bad contracts was not a bad move on anyones part. The Gun Jack had to go because he was constantly making the Pacers worst on and off the court and if he’d stayed in Indiana any longer someone may have even shot him. Plus that trade got us Josh McRoberts (even though he cost us Jarryd Bayless (who’s stat’s aren’t much different then Rush’s) and Darren Collison.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah BTW
Signing Austin Croshere long term wasn’t that bad a mistake, trading him for Daniels was. Sharunas’s deal was also 3 years when it should have only been 2 years tops. Scott Pollard wasn’t anywhere near as good as Brad Miller the Pacers clearly should have kept Miller and let Bender go, maybe then they would have beat the stolen Pistons and their convict fans in the Eastern Conference finals, got their revenge from 2000 on the Lakers who mark my words even though it’s way off topic WILL NOT WIN THE NBA FINALS THIS SEASON AND THEIR COACH WILL RETIRE ON HIS LONG AWAITED BAD NOTE and finally won an NBA championship. Also Jackson had a ring sitting the bench, that isn’t the leadership experience winning a championship a team needs to get a ring. I’m not saying Donnie Walsh is a bad GM or an overrated one, personally I think he’s a pretty good one I’m not surprised he’s got the Knicks looking good again I knew it was going to happen, if any GM is overrated it’s the guy from the Lakers. All he has to do to get his team to win is think of the most god awful unfair trades (hints the Gasol trade) that only his team can get away with only because their the Lakers. I’m just saying Donnie Walsh should not be welcome back to the Pacers because of the mistakes he made from 2003-2007. And maybe those mistakes were made because him and Bird didn’t agree on allot of things who knows. The bottom line is Donnie has had his stay in Indiana with the good and the bad (more good then bad though) and should not be welcome back because most of his bad moves happened towards the end of his career in Indiana.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We have
reached the big 30 in terms of people who do not want Donnie Walsh back with the Pacers.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 22, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
This guy's crazy
But I think I agree…Still, Walsh is the biggest name we could have in Indiana besides the GM we have now.
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