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With the epic tailspin the Pacers find themselves in, last night's win against the Knicks notwithstanding, it's been difficult fo find reasons for optimism. No matter how obscure or obtuse the topic, I was determined to find something for this week's post that Pacers' fans could feel good about. I started with the idea that things could be worse. Sure, our favorite team has hit a bit of a rough patch over the past few years but certainly we're better off than some teams. Right . . ?

Nine teams have lost more games then the Pacers over the past five seasons. Unfortunately that includes teams like the Knicks, Grizzlies, Thunder, Nets and Clippers who all seemed better positioned for future success than the Pacers. Five other teams besides the Pacers haven't made a playoff appearance in the last four seasons. Again I was met by discouragement as two of those five are the Grizzlies and the Knicks who will be making the playoffs this season and doing it in much more convincing fashion than the Pacers, assuming Indiana makes it at all.

Finding nothing but a battered bucket for my salty tears of disappointment I tried to find something else to cheer myself up. The only thing I could think of was the inspired play of Tyler Hansbrough. Last week Tom Ziller put together a small piece on Hansbrough, comparing his style of play to Carl Landry and Ike Diogu. It's an excellent read and a flattering look at his style of play. Still, I felt a comparison to those two players doesn't quite do justice to both Hansbrough's potential and production.

Star-divide

I set out to find some alternative comparisons based just on production. Using Basketball-Reference's Play Index I was able to narrow my list down to seven players whose Pts/36 and Reb/36 averages are within a point of Hansbrough's. The list is below with a few other cherry picked statistics and the names removed for effect. Do yourself a favor and don't peek to find out who the other players are until you've really given the numbers a good once-over.

Tyler Hansbrough's Comparables

Player

Pts/36

Reb/36

FG%

FT%

ORB%

TRB%

TOV/%

FTA/36

Player A

18.9

9.4

50.1%

77.0%

9.3%

15.8%

6.8%

3.6

Player B

18.1

8.1

48.9%

80.7%

5.7%

13.1%

9.6%

5.7

Tyler Hansbrough

18.1

8.9

45.2%

80.6%

11.3%

13.6%

9.4%

6.2

Player C

17.9

8.3

52.8%

75.8%

7.5%

13.9%

11.0%

4.6

Player D

17.8

8.7

63.1%

74.7%

7.0%

14.0%

13.4%

6.1

Player E

17.7

8.6

43.1%

81.5%

10.4%

13.8%

7.8%

3.1

Player F

17.7

9.5

46.9%

80.3%

9.7%

15.8%

14.3%

5.6

Player G

17.1

9.0

47.3%

73.0%

6.3%

14.9%

15.0%

4.3

Although not the best player in the group, Hansbrough clearly belongs. He is among the best scorers and free throw shooters in the group. He is the best offensive rebounder, draws more fouls than anyone and is among the least turnover prone. If he could raise his FG% and do a little more work on the defensive glass he could even move beyond this group of players to the next tier of production. So who are these anonymous comparables I found for Hansbrough?

I was as shocked as anyone to see Hansbrough fit in with this group of established starters and borderline All-Stars. Keep in mind that these are his numbers for the entire season, not just his recent nine game double-figure scoring streak. The one thing that I left out of these collected stats is any sniff of defense. It's definitely not Hansbrough's strength and several of these players are major contributors at that end of the floor. At 0.5 per 36 minutes Hansbrough is dead last in blocks among this group. He does average 1.0 steals per 36 which is more than Bosh, Jefferson or Anderson.

This morning I tweeted, only half-joking, that after the Knicks game I was ready to sign Hansbrough to an NHL style 17 year contract. The Pacers' front office caught a lot of heat from fans and the media for taking Hansbrough with 13th pick. I'd like to point out that only 4 players taken in the 2009 Draft, Stephen Curry, DeJuan Blair, Ty Lawson and Blake Griffin, have a higher PER than Hansbrough this season. Blair is the only one of those 4 who was available for the Pacers at the 13th pick. Does it seem at all unreasonable that in 10 years someone will look at the 2009 Draft and wonder how in the world Jordan Hill was taken before Tyler Hansbrough?

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Absolutely love your work on this one

I’ve been crying into my beard for a half decade now…even if the Pacers do go out and get another PF this off-season, it’s good to know the guy we’ve got would immediately become as good, or better than any primary backup PF out there.

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by LukeNukem on Mar 14, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

so far so good.

He’s starting to win me over….

by Jamison1 on Mar 14, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Great insight

Hansbrough has really been pouring it on lately, but overall, I think one of the reasons is that he’s getting more minutes. Now that he’s getting the time to establish himself and get into a rhythm, he can pay his game and the Pacers really benefit. I’d still like to see the Pacers bring in another Big in the offseason to help strengthen the post defense and get back some of the rebounding we’ll lose with Foster’s contract expiring, but Tyler is a great player to have in that young core of players to build off. He gets a lot of criticism, but I think a lot of it is because people just didn’t expect him to succeed in the League and are reluctant to acknowledge he is performing well.

by SpreeGoogs on Mar 14, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the positive feedback everyone!

There was one negative (sort of) thing that I hid away. Although it’s only his 2nd year, Hansbrough is roughly the same age as those other guys because he stayed in school all four years. He will develop in terms of understanding the speed of the game and basketball IQ, etc. But physically he probably is what he is at this point.

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by Ian Levy on Mar 14, 2011 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think that's a problem

He wasn’t super athletic in college. No one will ever accuse him of being. And his frame (6’9, 250) is a good one. He doesn’t need to add weight. He can’t get faster or jump higher…but he never really was fast or springy, and he got it done in other ways before. I think this is actually a good thing because it could mean he’ll have a little staying power. Sometimes an injury can derail a kid’s athletic development, or he can simply get old and lose the only thing he ever had going for him (see T-Mac or Steph Marbury). But with Tyler, he’s just as (un)athletic and slow as he will be when he’s 35! He’s like a poor man’s Tim Duncan (offensively…he’s not even a poor man’s Tim Duncan on defense, he’s like a dead hobo’s Tim Duncan). Anyway, I’m good with him being who he is and still stacking up nicely with guys who are, for the most part, more gifted than him.

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by LukeNukem on Mar 14, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool to see he is offensively close to some of those guys

obviously he has some negatives that were glossed over or just quickly mentioned, and for the sake of the article its fine. His defense, defensive rebounding, fg%, and passing all need work though. Majoryly.

He is still better than I ever thought he would be. I still don’t think he is te 4 of the future for a good team, but he is good.

Could Tyler pass in college? I wonder what happens when the NBA scouts wake up and just starting blitzing him when he catches the ball?

by dbcb on Mar 14, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

negative assist:TO ratio every year in college

Numbers were kind of similar to where they are right now (but extrapolated higher because his usage was so much higher). Needless to say, if he is “the PF of the future” we’re going to need a couple more reliable scorers around him so teams can’t just constantly double him.

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by LukeNukem on Mar 14, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and

nene shoots 63%??? holy moly

by dbcb on Mar 14, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

im not sure ive -ever- seen nene take an actual shot tho

Missing 37% of ones dunks isnt all that impressive.

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by 15ks on Mar 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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