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SBN Indiana: Should The Indiana Pacers Get Involved In The Carmelo Anthony-To-The-Knicks Trade Craziness?

IC fans,

Greetings from SB Nation Indiana. I posted a trade idea that is in line with all this craziness we are reading about with the Knicks looking to finally make a move for Carmelo Anthony. For the deal to work, a third team would need to be involved.

Question: Should the Indiana Pacers be that third team?

Answer: YES! Especially if the Knicks (specifically the Knicks) and Nuggets are willing to part with certain players.

Here's the article.

Pacers Trade: Mike Dunleavy, T.J. Ford, Paul George, Jeff Foster

Knicks Trade: Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Eddy Curry, Anthony Randolph

Nuggets Trade: Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups

Check out the article to see how it all could come out (i.e., who would need to go where). It's not likely this trade will happen, but if it did all three teams would make out well.

Question for everyone here: Do you think Indy should get involved in a trade like this? If you have alternative trades possibly involve 'Melo, the Knicks or Nets, and the Pacers, please share them in the comments below.

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I hope you don't take offense....

but you should stick with football :-/… especially sense you hate basketball (or at least act like you do on your site)

Why this doesn’t work…

- Knicks don’t have a first round pick It would be OUR first round that would be given up in the trade.

- Billups can’t play shooting guard… especially not for us considering our pg is a midget. We have a hard enough time with defending point guards and now we would have a terrible time defending SG as we are trading one of our better defenders.

- George has a much higher ceiling than Galinarri. Makes no since to trade him,

- Randolph doesn’t shore up anything. There are more question marks about him than our two PF’s we have.

- Gallanari si a natural SF… the same as our best player. not to mention he is shooting less than 42% in freaking pringle’s system which is downright awful.

by dbcb on Feb 20, 2011 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

No worries on whether it would offend.

- Knicks pick would need to be 2012. Should have made that clear.

- Billups can play SG. We already have a terrible time guarding twos because Dunleavy is our ‘two.’

- Disagree re: George and Galinarri.

- Randolph is a player the Pacers seem to covet.

- Small ball is all the rage in the NBA. Granger can play two, three, and four. Galinarri can score, and right now the Pacers need scoring punch.

FYI: it’s hard trying to find a Pacers trade that fits within the Carmelo craziness. This was the best I could come up with. I also proposed these three trades last week. Naturally, I’d prefer those over the ‘Melo scenario. However, if the Pacers made this trade, I wouldn’t be upset.

Oh, and I certainly don’t hate basketball. I dislike the NBA’s system. Matching salaries for trades? A ‘tax system’ for the salary cap? A commissioner that only enforces the rules he wants? It’s a joke. I love the Pacers, but the NBA is a complete mess. JMO.

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by Brad Wells on Feb 20, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston has the rights to the Knicks 2012 draft pick.

There, the Knicks cannot trade their 2011 draft pick or 2013 draft pick as the NBA prohibits not having a draft pick for consecutive years.

So the pick would have to be our 2011 draft pick sent to the nuggest, OR we trade our 2012 draft pick to the Knicks and they trade their 2011 and/or 2013 draft pick to the Nuggets.

That is why the Knicks are trying so hard to trade Randolph for a pick… because they don’t have one to offer the Nuggets.

by dbcb on Feb 20, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston

Well, THAT I did not know. Poop.

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by Brad Wells on Feb 21, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

dbcb

So, ‘Melo got traded, and the Knicks included in the deal a 2014 first round pick. Looks like the Knicks won’t make a draft pick again for another four years.

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by Brad Wells on Feb 22, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

?

?

They still have their picks in 2011 and 2013. You can not trade consecutive future first round picks according to the NBA rules as ‘dbcb’ commented.

This is a wonderful little site for NBA rules.
<http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q74>

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 22, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

you jumped the gun a bit

trying to prove your “rightness”

never said a thing about 2014 pick. the knicks now cannot trade there 2011, 2013, or 2015 pick.

by dbcb on Feb 22, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

but I guess your weren't "wrong" in your article

knicks did trad ea first round pick. Didn’t think the Nuggets would go for a pick during a time Anthony and Stoudemire would be in their primes…

by dbcb on Feb 22, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

'Right or wrong'

People get too obsessed with trade scenario articles being ‘right’ or ‘wrong.’ It’s just a trade idea. Nothing more.

Basically, the Knicks have stated that to them, the draft is meaningless. They will simply target other team’s free agents. The Heat have a similar strategy.

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by Brad Wells on Feb 22, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Proving rightness?

No, just thought it was crazy that draft picks in 2014 are getting traded. That’s all.

Folks, y’all need to seriously chill.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.

by Brad Wells on Feb 22, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Bro...

We’re just saying you need to have much better ideas. That’s all.

by bigdawg9292 on Feb 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If you run the Indiana Sports Blog on here don’t you think you should be a near expert at Pacers basketball. Coming on here saying we should trade Paul George is like going on your site saying we should trade Jacob Tamme. . . You would be laughed out of your own blog. . . kinda just like you where here. . . I just think if you run 2 sports blogs here in Indiana that you should be an expert at Indiana sports, which you are not. You don’t even know most of the NBA trade rules. I say give Luke your job and lets get someone one on here that knows some stuff. . .

by daledavis on Feb 22, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He already gets laughed out of his own blog

He just bans the people that laugh at him.

Put the needle to the record and hit me with your style. Soon enough I'll learn to unload my mouth. Can you say it's getting blacker, The vibe up in this place. When I displaced, what made me turn my face?

by etid5353 on Feb 22, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

HEY MOD!

YOU MISSED A COMMENT TO DELETE

Put the needle to the record and hit me with your style. Soon enough I'll learn to unload my mouth. Can you say it's getting blacker, The vibe up in this place. When I displaced, what made me turn my face?

by etid5353 on Feb 22, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG

And I NEVER say OMG. Again. You are completely clueless.

Because I refuse to comment on your stories at SBN Indiana I’ll do it here.

First trade: Minnesota gets Ford’s expiring contract and Josh McRoberts For Martell Webster and Kevin Love. Wow. So the Pacers address both of their most glaring needs, acquire one of the league’s 25 best players, save an immediate $1 million and gain 10 wins according to PER, all without having to give up a draft pick or any discernable talent, really. Your comment that this package:

would be attractive to T’Wolves GM David Kahn, who once worked for the Pacers under Donnie Walsh back in the late-1990s and early-2000s.

is completely misinformed. This is the same Kahn who blatantly insulted Bird over the off-season when someone floated that Jonny Flynn rumor out there. He has no desire to work with us just because he used to be on staff. That’s just crazy. And then you say:

For the T’Wolves, they get Webster’s bloated contract off their books and take on two players whose contracts expire at season’s end. While Ford is known as a lazy malcontent, McRoberts is a solid contributor who could benefit the T’Wolves going forward should they wish to re-sign him.

What? Dude, they’re like $13 million under the salary cap RIGHT FREAKING NOW! They have enough cap space to trade a draft pick for Danny Granger. Seriously. They’re one of only a handful of teams that have this luxury right now. They have the lowest payroll in the league. Why in the hell, other than to load up and re-sign Love while building around him with whatever free agents they could get, would they be still saving money? And your idea of an attractive trade package for them would swap Josh McRoberts for their best player. Right. Because I’m sure they just LOVE losing every year and HATE the fact that they have one of the NBA’s best PFs on their team and got him for virtually nothing on draft day. You are completely clueless.

Anyway, that was the dumbest trade idea I’ve ever heard, not because I don’t want Love (I do, but it won’t be until 2012-13, when all the other teams can bid on him and Kahn will have buttloads of money to match whatever offer comes his way…in other words, he’s not going anywhere), but because you completely disregarded whether or not the other team would do it. We routinely shoot these trades down on here.

Your other two were guilty of the same stuff. There’s no way New Orleans lets West walk for nothing. The only benefits to them is getting out from under Jack and saving about $2 mil right away. But they’re currently a playoff team. There’s no way they blow up now, not if they want to convince Chris Paul to stay in 2012. As for the GSW trade, I actually think they’d be taking advantage of us there. What about acquiring Monta Ellis equates to a winning formula in your book? Oh, and I love what you said about George:

The Warriors get a talented swingman in George who could blossom into a truly excellent NBA player.

So, he could be “truly excellent” someday, but he’ll never be as good as statistically average Gallinari? Wha?

Anyway, as you like to say, thanks for playing.

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by LukeNukem on Feb 20, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

'You are completely clueless.'

Thanks for keeping the discussion civil, Luke. I pretty much ignored everything you wrote after the above line.

Take care.

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by Brad Wells on Feb 21, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And the Fantasy Ninja Strikes Again

BBS these are rabid Pacer Fans here… So don’t come in here with your miricle trades unless you’ve done your homework. I think the other thing is that you are basicly a Colts Fan that doesn’t even realize the Pacer exist until after the Pro Bowl. Listen dude, I can respect your takes on here. But we’ve been on here since the end of last season with this stuff. I think many of your idea’s where discussed here during the summer.

This blog is for people who love the Pacers and the NBA. I think if you ran this over at Stampede Blue they would love all these trade idea’s because they simply are just uneducated to the facts right now. . .

BBS don’t give up . . . Do your homework and come back with some better ideas . . . But NO . . . We don’t want to trade PG . . .

by daledavis on Feb 21, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind getting in on the trade, but no way I’d want to give up Paul George. He’s gonna be something special as long as he stays healthy.

Like I said in another post, at least all the waiting is almost at an end.

by Sparhawk on Feb 20, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

the only way we could get involved is to give up our first round pick and there are very few things on either of those rosters I would give up our pick for, and they wouldn’t do it.

Unless one of them wanted Rush… can we give Rush away during the trade? please?

by dbcb on Feb 20, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way I’d want to get in on the trade with the Knicks/Nuggets is help land us Nene. No one interests me on the Knicks other than Landry Fields, but we don’t need any more wing players.

Pacers that I hope are traded: Dunleavy, Ford (doubt anyone wants him) & Brandon Rush.

Possibly Foster if it’s to a contender like and brings back some value.

I would like a trade with the Celts to get Avery Bradley somehow. He’ll never get much playing time behind Rondo, West and Robinson.

by Sparhawk on Feb 20, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul George

I think fans, in general, are being a little to precious with Paul George. George is a three, same as Granger. As long as Danny is here, Paul is a bench player. Paul’s also averaging 8 ppg. He certainly has potential, but if the Pacers want to land players that can help them now, George probably has to be in the equation. Gotta give up something to get something.

Again, just some ideas to float out there. What I’m really looking for are counter ideas.

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by Brad Wells on Feb 21, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I will politely disagree with you.

Paul George is a player capable of playing several positions. Certainly, looking at his size you would presume that he is a natural SF. However, he is incredibly gifted and has all the necessary ability to play SG. A position that will be void of a starter next year in Dunleavy. Honestly, I would be somewhat surprised if PG isn’t starting by the end of the year. First, 8 PPG is based on playing 18 MPG. Second, this guy is a 20 year old rookie. Third, the guy is a swiss-army knife of skills. Fourth, he has a wonderful personality and work ethic (by all accounts). Finally, PG and DG have skills that actually mesh fairly well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see in the future George handling the ball, slashing into the lane, and dishing out to DG for some real great looks. PG has superstar potential in my eyes and I’ll be damned if we let that kind of player get away. Rush, on the other hand, is someone I would give away for a slice of two-day old pizza.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 21, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

as of right now

he can play and easily guard twos. Maybe if he fills out some more that won’t be the case but for now its fine.

And anyway… lets say he is a three. So you are trading for another three who has no hope of every playing SG. How does that make any sense in your trade scenario?

PG and DG also play different. Especially as PG gets comfortable he is going to be much more of a “scorer” compared to DG being more of a shooter. Gallinari is a shooter just like DG (just a much much crappier one).

Anyway, yes we may be a little “protective” for lack of a better word of George but there is a good reason for it. You can’t just look at the stats and go “8 ppg he is average.” For one… he is a 20 year old rookie who has a PER that puts him right at average. For a rookie. On a boderline playoff team. He isn’t just potential he is contributing NOW. He also just has that look you can’t get from staring at basketball reference. You watch him play and think “there is something special here…” and you don’t trade that for Gallinari and Anthony freaking Randolph.

I just don’t see how we can get involved unless we really want Anthony and I don’t see why we would. If we get involved we lose our 1st round pick. And any player I would want on their teams just wouldn’t work. Like I would LOVE turiaf… but Knicks wouldn’t trade him and hes a free agent at the end of the eyar. Not worth our pick.

by dbcb on Feb 21, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Take Paul out and we’ll talk

by B-Huse on Feb 20, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

…And I NEVER say LOL. Paul George is absolutely worth as much or more than Gallinari (whose value is inflated in NY’s system, which uses him almost exclusively at PF…he’d be a terrible PF here). Our first rounder this year is almost certainly going to be as good, or better than Randolph currently is (maybe better than he’ll ever be, given what little we’ve seen out of him so far).

Wanna get involved?

How about this one with Denver getting our first rounder and us getting cash considerations to buy out Solomon Jones.

Or this one with Denver getting Minnesota’s conditional first rounder.

Or this one with Denver getting our conditional first rounder.

There’s lots of ways to do it without involving George. Notice all of them that I suggested improved the Pacers’ wins (or kept them the same) based on Hollinger’s PER, without significantly screwing anyone but Denver, who’s going to be screwed no matter what.

Here’s your trade where the Pacers are the ONLY team gaining any wins, and those are probably negated because the fictitious draft pick you promised Denver will have to come from Indiana. If ESPN’s trade machine could calculate draft picks they’d probably call your idea a loss for everyone.

Also I love how you title your SBN story “2011 NBA Trade Rumors.” Typical, BBS. Call it a “rumor” and people might read it. Call it a “trade idea” and it’s just like any other random FanPost that we read on here all the time. Glad to see your Stampede Blue headline tactics at play at the SBN mothership site.

Further, do you watch basketball? In the last four seasons Billups has spent an average of 5.3% of his floortime at SG. Also he’s 6’3. So you’d be starting a 6’0 second year PG and a 6’3 “SG” who has spent less than 6% of his time there over the last four years? How’s that working for Golden State? And you failed to mention the only reason Indiana would want him (and the main reason NY is fine with including him in a swap for Felton): He has a non-guaranteed contract next year. The Pacers would cut him. For sure.

Your argument in the comments section with someone who probably DOES watch basketball that:

Paul George isn’t better than Danilo Gallinari and, in all likelihood, won’t develop into anything more than Gallinari is right now.

This is the most laughable thing you’ve said since you told us your “sources” confirmed that Peyton Manning had some serious neck injury. Brad, you very obviously don’t watch basketball, let alone Pacers games. George is not only statistically Gallinari’s equal right now (according to PER…he’s 0.2 away from Gallinari) but he’s two years younger, has two fewer years of experience and plays half as many minutes! Extrapolation puts him on par with Gallinari as a ROOKIE! Who knows where he’ll be in two years! Claiming that Paul George won’t develop into “anything more than Gallinari is right now” is the most statistically full of shit thing you could have said, and you know it!

In all fairness to you, you were most likely just pimping your article, figuring that people from IC would go over there to SBN’s Indiana site and post comments. In all fairness to us, you should have never been writing about basketball to begin with.

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by LukeNukem on Feb 20, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

Wowza.


Please, yes, and thank you.


Although, that’s not too bad either.

by SpottedJack on Feb 21, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, in all fairness...

…Denver probably wouldn’t do any of your trade ideas either. It’d be nice to get involved in the NY-Denver trade without giving up PG, but Denver wants four things: a talented young prospect, a decent veteran player, some cap relief, and draft picks. They’re getting decent vets, cap relief and picks in your proposals, but not that talented prospect which PG would obviously provide. And I hope you wouldn’t try to convince people that Mozgov is the “talented prospect” in your proposals because that’s just not happening.

by Glenn A. on Feb 21, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Point is

He writes it up like there are just no other options. Mozgov was included because over the last two days the Nuggets have been all about including him. I was just illustrating that there are ways to get involved without screwing ourselves out of a guy who may be our second best player next year.

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by LukeNukem on Feb 21, 2011 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of, what up with that?

The whole Mozgov “must be included” deal? Dude’s a 25 year old stiff, why does Denver need him and why will NY not give him up? I don’t get it.

Larry Bird turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison

by IndyPacers on Feb 21, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin is Wolverine

Seriously. His dunks aren’t all that creative, but the explosion and torque he gets when he does those spins. I watched him a lot at Oklahoma and he was a crazy athlete, but not THIS crazy. During that redshirt year the NBA gave him they were doing experiments on him.

In all seriousness, it’s a shame Griffin’s gonna get rammed down our throats. Seems like a good kid, head on straight, incredibly fun to watch. And Stern’s gonna ruin him. Or he’ll ruin himself being so damn reckless.

Larry Bird turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison

by IndyPacers on Feb 21, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Apparently...

He had been playing for years with a knee injury. They found that injury when he got hurt during his true rookie year and they fixed them. Thus, he is actually more explosive now… or at least I think. Agree with you about the ramming down our throats. McGee was robbed.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 21, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not.

I guess I just fabricated a make believe situation where his knee was actually injured before the other injury. My imagination apparently has altered my reality, it will be punished accordingly.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 21, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think...

…Denver’s attempt to get Mozgov has more to do with them squeezing as much out of NY as they possibly can than them actually viewing him as a “talent equal” to guys like Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, or Landry Fields. It’s not that Denver necessarily “needs” him so much, it’s that they just want to make sure they get as many assets as possible in giving up their “superstar.” I imagine NY’s reluctance to include Mozgov has less to do with how they view his talent and more to do with an attempt to avoid gutting their roster even further for one elite scorer and his aging sidekick.

by Glenn A. on Feb 21, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to write a lengthy response to BBS...

but you did it for me. Took the words right out of my mouth.

This is the worst trade I’ve seen yet from any commentator on this site.

by indy62 on Feb 21, 2011 5:13 AM EST up reply actions  

SCOOOOOOOOOREBOOOOOOARD!!!!!!

It don’t get better than that. . . I do not like Stampede Blue for all those reasons. . . BS sorry but its true . . . You know its true. . . I heart fantasy ninja.

by daledavis on Feb 21, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Paul George is as good or better than Gallinari right now

Paul George plays better defense and rebounds at a better rate, as well as playing SG or SF, where Gallo is a SF or PF. Both players have near identical PER (15.9 for George and 15.7 for Gallo according to HoopData.com). Gallinari rates out better in Win Score, but that’s almost solely due to minutes played. Both seem like they are better 3 pt. shooters than their numbers would suggest (29% for PG and 35% for DG), although Gallo is a volume shooter more than an accurate one.

Also, the trump is that Gallinari has already missed 50 games in his young career to a back injury. He only missed 1 game last year but has missed 7 this year. Back issues don’t just go away, they linger for a career.

Anthony Randolph is like Ike Diogu and Rashad McCants in that they are seemingly skilled players that can’t ever make it past the prospect stage and earn minutes. They’ve been on multiple teams with multiple coaches and eventually you can’t blame the coach for not giving a player minutes.

Also, the wheels fell off for Billups last season and he’s a mediocre player right now. Why give up 2 big expirings just for a contract that will get cut in the offseason?

by mdukez on Feb 20, 2011 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

If the Pacers trade Paul George ...

I am trading in my season tickets for next year.

Paul George will be the next Pacers all-star.

by Scott Herbst on Feb 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking I'd rather they just make a deal already.

So, the rest of the NBA can finally feel like they can make moves. Since they seem to feel that they need watch how this thing plays out.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 20, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

No thanks, but thanks for the idea

I’m not really interested in losing Paul George, so that’s one reason I’d say no to the proposal. Another is that I have no interest in Chauncey Billups or Anthony Randolph whatsoever. I still can’t believe any team would be willing to trade an early-to-mid, first-round pick for Anthony Randolph, but, hey, more power to you Mr. Kahn.

by Glenn A. on Feb 21, 2011 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah.

I think J-Mac is better than Randolph anyways.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 21, 2011 5:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Instead of trying to get the extremely overhyped for no reason Randolph

Go for Brandan Wright. Similiar skillsets, similar ages, much different prices. There’ve been rumors about the Warriors moving Wright + Dan Gadzuric to Jersey for Troy Murphy(’s expiring contract) and a 2nd rounder.

Wright’s on the last year of his rookie deal at ~3.3mm (~4.3mm qualifying offer if we wanna keep him), Gadzuric’s an expiring deal at ~7.3mm. The reports are that Murphy’d be moved to another team after he was acquired, so it may be contingent on that and it HAS to be Murphy, but why don’t we make that deal with Dunleavy and our 2nd rounder? Waive/buyout either Solo or TJ Ford to open the roster spot.

All that’s if we really think Randolph has some chance to be an answer at the 4, which no one should. Could just get Wright for next to nothing and have another long lanky young guy to see if he’ll turn into something, don’t see anything the last half of the year in him just don’t offer him a qualifying offer. Or let McBob (who’s 23) continue doing what he’s doing and develop a solid midrange J and bam, no need to make any trade for some young athletic freak.

Larry Bird turned Troy Murphy into Darren Collison

by IndyPacers on Feb 21, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Rawr!

I’m any angry generic Pacer fan and I disapprove of this trade.

Rawr!

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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 21, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

This idea is awful.

Trading pretty much the only significant up-and-coming player on the roster, along with noteworthy talent, in exchange for bringing in a guy who has no desire whatsoever to play here.

On the flipside, thanks for making this post, because it was quite amusing to watch everyone rip into this truly bad suggestion. I hope you got tons of page hits on your other site.

Oh, and thanks for banning me on Stampede Blue because I hurt your feelings. You are a joke.

by strootster on Feb 24, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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