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Bench Dunleavy



It's officially time to bench Mike Dunleavy. I just do not see what he brings to the Pacers anymore. His only ability seems to be to hit wide open 3 point shots. He can't play defense, rebound, or create his own shot. His "high basketball IQ" seems to translate into running around back and forth on the baseline which is looking more and more like the basketball equivalent of "paper shuffling" in the office giving the appearance that you are actually working.

With the emergence of D. Jones, it's time to get Brandon Rush into the starting lineup and see what he can do. He can shoot just as well as Dunleavy, however he is 10 times the athlete, can D-up and create.  D. Jones can remain as the backup because he has earned it and is literally winning games for us. As far as B-Rush is concerned, I'm foaming at the mouth to see what he can do now that JOB aka "Worst Coach Who Ever Lived" is gone. Isn't it fair to assume that his game will elevate like everyone else's has?? Isn't it fair to assume that perhaps his confidence was up and down like Big Roy's due to JOB? Let's face it, Dunleavy is NOT the future. Brandon Rush at least potentially is with either him or Paul George starting at the 2 or playing significant 6th man minutes like Jalen used to do before he started should they decide to start PG at the 2.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for Dunleavy to continue playing big minutes. His trade stock is not going any higher, his contract is up in a few months, and he's just NOT that good. Yes, I understand he can get hot and drain some shots like he did against Milwaukee but it's not enough. I believe he is actually the one player who has digressed under Vogel. He's not scoring much and he's turning the ball over a lot. Did you see his fast break in Miami with LeBron chasing him?? That could only be described as embarrassingly pathetic and border-line criminal. He crapped in his pants. Please don't tell me he was trying to make some kind of basketball play. You are 6'10" and make 10 million dollars a year...go up and try to dunk it you candy a$$!!!! Yes, Lebron was bearing down and probably would have blocked it but at least Granger could have cleaned it up. You may have even flushed it AND drawn a foul...ever think of that???  You did what I would have done...gotten rid of it and ran as fast as I could down the tunnel....only difference is I am 6' and could not have made my high school JV team. 

In conclusion, bringing in B-Rush could only make us much better, not worse. And hey,,,,if it doesn't work and he goes back to being too inconsistent and disappearing, we can always bring back Dunleavy from the pine.

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Aside from your obvious hate of Dunleavy

a good case could be made for playing Rush over Dunleavy. This just wasn’t it.

In short, Rush offers more options then Duns, and more likely has a future with this franchise, which I think you may have mentioned, but got lost in all of the hate speech.

BTW, LeBron came out of nowhere on that play. Very few would have saw him coming.

by AndyLS on Feb 14, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

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I completely disagree about LeBron coming out of nowhere. He was trailing the entire time right on top of the play and Dunleavy was literally looking over his shoulder at him as he dribbled down the court. Not sure how my case isn’t better than your “more options” case. I clearly state he can shoot equally, better athlete, can D-up, and create….ie. more options. It’s not that complicated. I only hate for a few lines about the LeBron play…read the passage….harsh facts but most is true and not hating….

by leganitos on Feb 14, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I re-read your post.

“Hate speech” was a bit of an exaggeration on my part. Sorry.

by AndyLS on Feb 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

no worries

No worries..I really don’t dislike the guy and I was being a bit harsh with the Lebron stuff..my main thing is I don’t think he’s the future for the Pacers and although its possible, I HIGHLY doubt he will even be here next year.

by leganitos on Feb 14, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Until

Rush playes better, I’m not going to support him over Dunleavy. Yeah, athletic, flashes of brilliance etc etc, but he just disappears. The way he was playing at the beginning of the year I thought he was going to be the answer, but then he reverted to Rush.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to see how he responds to Vogel. I think the talent is there, and I believe there’s a good chance that with new outlook Vogel adds, Rush could be the biggest beneficiary on the team and could truly be a great player, but we’re winning right now, playing well and with excellent chemistry, and see no reason to make changes to our starting line-up.

Oh, and Rush will never be as good a shooter as Dunleavy.

by Rogco on Feb 15, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, i guess it is a little different since rush hasn't played as long as dunleavy but..

B-Rush career shooting Stats: FG 42% 3P 40%
Duns career shooting stats: FG 44% 3P 36%

Brandon’s a better three point shooter, and dunleavy being 6’10 can finish easier than a 6’6 rush.

I’d say rush IS the better shooter. He just doesn’t take enough shots.

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by cfizzle on Feb 16, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well..that’s pretty much my point…I want to see him under Vogel…look…Mike Dunleavy is barely scoring 9 points a game under Vogel…so all of these fantasy stats that people…maybe not you…but others are throwing out there trying to make Dunleavy look better than he is are not convincing to me. He’s a starting shooting guard in the NBA making 10 million dollars a year…he has to do better than 9 points a game. I don’t think losing that 9 points a game from him is some HUGE risk…get real about this guy people…I’m sure Rush can can score more and if he can’t..well..back to the pine.

by leganitos on Feb 16, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I agree we do need another big. I like Foster but the reality is, we need a younger version of him. I believe Ford and Dunleavy will be gone by the trade deadline. Rush needs to get a few minutes in here and there just to get him back in game shape. I think eventually he will be fine with Vogel as the coach.

by warsawpacersfan on Feb 14, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Don't we have

one of the highest rated big prospects overseas? Maybe bring him over next year?

by Rogco on Feb 15, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely disagree

This may go against conventional wisdom but Dunleavy has consistently been one of the team’s best players all season.

Dunleavy is shooting better than 50% from the field AND the three point line since Vogel took over. He was already shooting over 40% on three pointers for the season.

He’s not a lockdown defender but his defensive problems are way overblown. His individual Defensive Rating is a 105 this season. That’s the same as Granger’s and is better than Rush or Dahntay Jones. The Pacers have a DRtg of 104 with him on the floor and 107.7 with him on the bench. Part of that is attributable to his teammates, but he is largely playing against the opponents 1st unit and the team’s defense is better with him on the floor than off it.

A lot of projections had the Pacers looking like a historically bad rebounding team this season. We have come nowhere near that and a lot of it is because of Dunleavy. He may technically be a small forward but he has been playing shooting guard almnost exclusively. His 9.3 TRB% is 7th in the league amongst guards who have played at least 20 games with at least 10 minutes per game. His DRB% of 16.5 is fourth best in the league among the same group.

Not everyone love’s David Berri’s Wins Produced but he has consistently been one of the top 2 or 3 Pacers all year by that metric as well.
I think the team recognizes his value in pushing towards the playoff and I would be shocked to see him moved despite his contract. Actually, with the team playing the way the are I don’t think it’s likely that any trades are made.

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by Ian Levy on Feb 14, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

good one.

Now that’s a good reply backed up by facts. I feel better about him continuing to start now, however I would still like to see B-Rush under Vogel with JOB out of the picture. I have no idea how that can really happen though with Jones’ strong play. Something just tells me he could be completely different a la Hibbert as the two seemed to experience similar symptoms under JOB: inconsistency, confidence, etc.

by leganitos on Feb 14, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This may bum you out . . .

But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Dunleavy come back next year, at a much lower salary. Another point I forgot to mention is how much he has helped Paul George’s development. George said in an interview at the beginning of the season that Dunleavy was really working with him on moving without the ball and where to find his shots in the offense. If you watch George play without the ball it should definitely remind you of Dunleavy. This is pretty new for him as he almost always created his own shot in college level.

I’m happy to keep Dunleavy around for the rest of this season and I’d be happy to bring him back next year. At a reasonable salary I think he is a great glue guy. As his production declines with age he would make a terrific 5th guard/veteran mentor for our younger guys. He seems like a guy who could be a coach somewhere down the road. At the right price I’d have no problem keeping him around.

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by Ian Levy on Feb 14, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn’t totally mind that either at the right price. I just think sooner rather than later we need to see Rush again. There were times he looked unbelievable before he got hurt. I bet Vogel can unleash his potential

by leganitos on Feb 14, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You said everything I was thinking.

Although, the PG business was new to me. I’ll have to watch him closely next time when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 15, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing two things

First and foremost I think they’re shopping him and want to package “good player who can help your team into the playoffs” with “expiring contract.”

Secondly, if that doesn’t work, I think they view him as a valuable veteran commodity who’s playing his best basketball in two years (probably because he’s finally healthy and doesn’t have the pressure of having to be his team’s second-best player) and would actually help them win games down the stretch (I’m pretty sure he has the highest plus/minus stat on our team…I read somewhere +80-something…also read Rush has the worst, by the way).

So trade him or not, giving him minutes now is a win-win for the Pacers, as he’s certainly not hurting us. Now if he were logging 30+ minutes a night and shooting as poorly as he did over the last two seasons, then we’d have a problem.

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by LukeNukem on Feb 14, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

true true…..but…i could be wrong but wasn’t Rush mostly playing with the second unit except against superior athletic wings like Miami when he started??? I don’t put much stock in the + – of Rush because of that.

by leganitos on Feb 14, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood

I think it’s understood that Dunleavy has better offensive and defensive efficiency measures than Rush. But I think what leganitos is getting at is that, like most of his fellow teammates, Rush’s efficiency measures could improve under the new voice that is Vogel.

We keep establishing how much everyone in the rotation is improving under Vogel, but, for whatever reason, very few are willing to even consider Rush can make similar improvements. That’s a bit of a shame in my mind. Mostly because Rush has certain physical tools that Duns will never have and he’s half a decade younger.

Rush may have reverted back to his unreliable ways before getting injured, or, he may have been suffering from the negative, team-wide JOB effect. What’s funny is that a guy like Hibbert never gets the “Rush treatment” from fans even though he’s had similar problems. Under JOB, Hibbert was a consistency wreck who sometimes looked like the future of the franchise, and sometimes looked like he was barely D-league worthy. Yet, we were all excited to see him showcased in a different system, under a different coach. And, so far, the results have been promising.

Rush, on the other hand, even with the coaching change, often gets the “bury him on the bench” treatment. Rush is extremely talented and I don’t think it’s out of the question that he could make some strides in a different environment. Does that mean he should start over Duns? Maybe not, but I just hope people aren’t giving up on him yet, before seeing what he can do with a new coach. Especially when we’re seeing that it’s working for everyone else.

by Glenn A. on Feb 14, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

good points but you can equate Hibbert to Rush

Roy Hibbert has been a franchise promoter in every sense you can think of. He plays the game with passion, he goes out of his way and his pocket to increase tickets and Pacer revenue. he has also dedicated himself throughout the summer in improving his game. When was the last time we heard B-Rush do any of that? Look, I was a supporter of B-Rush, but at some point a player needs to show consistancy if he wants big minutes. Of course if Vogel wants to give Rush another chance at new life, I would stand by that, but time is definitely not on B-Rush’s side.

by latrell spreewel on Feb 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

Rush spent all summer working out with Danny… if you can’t tell he’s a whole lot stronger than last year and when JOB was utilizing him he was finishing at the rim a lot better than he has in the past. Sure Roy has done more for the franchise but I also think Roy’s passion is overplayed. Sure he has a lot of passion when he’s playing lights out against bad teams but when it matters (Chicago) he sulks and pouts and then after the game is hard on himself.

I don’t want to hear his excuses I want to see results and its pretty cowardly to jump on the bench and show out when your winning or having a great game. Pretty sure LeBum James got called out for that same behavior a year or two ago. The NBA is a mens league where the players are expected to conduct themselves like professionals on and off the court. Roy needs to remember his excessive celebrations when he’s getting dominated by Kurt Thomas… not hating just being real

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 14, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

don't want excuses you just want to see results?

Yet you want to see RUSH on the court? Mr. 11 PER (a career high!!!) Mr. “I haven’t improved in 7 years?”

There is a difference in working out and trying to get better. Roy tried to get better. You can see it in his weight loss alone. Is he as good as he should be? No… but I think JOB stole his soul in the middle of the year

What have we seen out of Rush? The same player we saw his freshmen year of college + the fact he dumb enough to get caught smoking pot. A test high school kids beat on a regular basis.

I am sick of seeing Rush float on the court. Dunleavy plays hard every game. Jones plays hard when giving the chance. George plays his ass off. Rush… sometimes he is a world beater, most of the times you don’t even realize he is on the court until he gets the ball and passes it immediately because he can’t dribble.

by dbcb on Feb 14, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Hasn't improved in 7 years?

So he was NBA ready 7 years ago… you’re dumb lost all credit with your dumb biased comments. Jones didn’t play hard until he realized it’ll get him traded sooner and Jones didn’t play at all this year until JOB was gone. Hard to give an effort to a Coach that doesn’t appreciate it and throws you under the bus to the media. Rush will be much improved just like everybody else under Vogel.

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 14, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

check his college numbers dousche

same ppg, same apg, same rpg, fg% went down each year, 3% went down each year

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 6:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Gents

I know you can make your points without name calling. Thanks.

by Tom Lewis on Feb 15, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Stats only tell one side of the story

He obviously was a contributer due to his MVP of the big 12 tournament and his contributions to the national championship team. You rely too much on stats… I’m guessing you never played the game past YMCA ball

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 15, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

once again, reading comprehension

I didn’t say he wasn’t a contributor. I said he never improved during his time at Kansas, while playing under one of the best college coaches around.

He was a very good college player… but he was the same player his first year as he was his last.

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Equate

I wouldn’t equate Roy and Rush off the court. Roy obviously wins there. Roy’s efforts to get involved with the community should be vigorously commended. Though, I don’t think we can say Roy works harder in the offseason than Rush. He’s more public about what he’s doing in the offseason, but I don’t think that automatically translates into working harder. The past two offseasons, Mike Wells has blogged about Rush doing great things in the offseason.

All I’m saying is on the court, Roy and Rush weren’t all that different under JOB. Both had numerous dreadful bouts of inconsistency and sometimes they both looked barely NBA worthy. With a new coach, though, Roy seems to be turning a corner, and I’d like to think Rush, if given the opportunity, could maybe do something similar. Am I a staunch Rush supporter? No. But I think his skill set is intriguing enough to see what he can do with a coach who seems ready to give guys more opportunities use their strengths and excel.

by Glenn A. on Feb 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly…Rush deserves a solid look under Vogel…he can always be benched again.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

Rush has been a victim of the JOB curse which we are all so familiar with. I’m confident he’ll contribute when his number is called. I also wonder why Roy can get away with murder it seems but any mistake Rush makes means his worthless and shouldn’t be in the NBA… doesn’t make sense to me but whatever.

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 14, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Rush smoked pot...

he didn’t shoot anybody or push his girl down the stairs when she was pregnant, yet you all wanna see Lance on the court. Give the guy a break he’s not a bad person at all. I’m sure any coach that’s ever coached him and anybody that went to KU would agree. Rush was just enjoying his life a little too much but can you blame him if JOB was your boss??

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 14, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree again….i’d be willing to be those who bash Rush are clamoring to see Lance Stephenson get in the game who I believe is a guaranteed “Jamaal Tinsley” act waiting to happen. Did anyone see the hidden cell phone video with allegedly him and a couple hookers when the Pacers played the Knicks this year?? And how she published the video AND his cell phone number because he refused to pay her??? not good..not good….smoke…fire…we’ve seen this before….Rush has been warned and that’s good enough for me…I think he knows his career is on the line…. nobody seemed to care that Sam Perkins smoked a little pot and he was our “player development” guy

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Rush failed multiple tests

you don’t get suspended for getting caught once (I think 3 failed tests).

And, speaking on my behalf, I wanted Lance cut a long time ago. So, at least don’t put me in that group.

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Right and he paid his penalty..period. Once more and he’s gone…period. I think that’s fair in this particular case.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Allow me to give a stat that makes a case for Rush remaining where he is.

We are 7-1 without him in the rotation and the one loss was by 5 points. Also, compare the stats between Rush and Dunleavy.

Dunleavy: <http://www.82games.com/1011/10IND8.HTM>

Rush: <http://www.82games.com/1011/10IND5.HTM>

Dunleavy does better with the starting unit than Rush. Rush is outplayed by the opposing player that he is guarding, Dunleavy is not. Dunleavy is infinitely better in crunch time. Dunleavy is the superior rebounder and passer. I don’t see the point in changing up the lineup for the ‘possibility’, and that’s all it is, that Rush could become a player worthy of being a starter. We have won with Dunleavy and he is far more consistent that Rush. I would continue to move forward with the unit that has brought us victories. Also, I feel that Dahntay Jones is a better player as well. Before he was buried by JOB, Jones was the best SG on the team and I have and always will wonder why he did that to Dahntay.

On a side note, what do people even see Rush’s ceiling as anyway? What player would he compare to in your mind?

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 15, 2011 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Old news

Again, we all know Dunleavy has better stats than Rush. No one is debating that. The facts are facts. But go take a look at Ian’s weekly stat piece: every player who has played under Vogel has improved efficiency measures. The odds of Rush being the only one who can’t improve under Vogel just aren’t very high when the player improvement rate so far 100%. That’s not to say that Rush should start immediately over Duns, but as I said before, Rush has intriguing enough physical tools and he’s young enough that it would be nice to see him get a chance to play under what seems to be a far more player-friendly coach.

by Glenn A. on Feb 15, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hmm...

I don’t know about him improving because of a different coach. I can understand how others can play better. Hibbert was always being forced to play away from the post, which was an obvious problem. McBob’s minutes were always sporadic and unpredictable. Same can be said for Tyler. DC wasn’t being utilized appropriately under JOB. Dahntay wasn’t even getting the chance to play. Basically, I’m saying that these guys struggled due to misuse or uncertain minutes/roles. Rush is a different case to me, he seems like a guy that should have had a fairly easy time in JOB’s system. He is a good shooter and a decent defender (though I think people overrate him). The problem with Rush is he won’t shoot the ball. He can’t pass the ball. He is not a very good rebounder. I don’t see his offensive numbers changing because of a new coach, because it feels like it’s a problem with him more than anything else. It’d be nice if he could become a player worth the minutes he has always gotten, but I’m skeptical.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 15, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps..but maybe he wouldn’t shoot because of a lack of confidence…possibly caused by JOB…I still say it’s a worth a shot and we can always put him back on the bench if he’s as bad as people say.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Problem was

JOB called the same plays over and over so teams were figuring out our game plan. The other problem was that JOB had too many plays with the same “spacing” scheme that left Rush stranded in the corner. In a new system Rush will improve just like the rest of our team. Support the players on the roster hate them once their traded.

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s a good question on the “ceiling”? Not sure how to judge that…and maybe just putting him in the starting lineup is a bit much as you point out but I still think he was playing before he got hurt and in theory you’re not suppose to lose your spot due to injury. I think he should get some minutes somehow so we can see how he responds to Vogel. As far as ceiling…I just don’t know..so many variables…All I know is the man can shoot and they say he’s an amazing athlete even when compared to other NBA players. Those 2 combined should equate to All-Star potential as shooting is truly a lost art. But like I said….too many variables to even suggest B-Rush will become an All Star if he plays. you gotta have a lot upstairs too in terms of confidence and instincts, film study..etc

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't playign well before he got hurt

oh course, the whole team was playing like crap but

he was shooting 39% over the last 16 games. And if he isn’t shooting well he is worthless because he doesn’t rebound or rack up assists. And his defense before he got hurt wasn’t nearly as good as it used to be.

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s completely out the window now that we have a new coach as you actually say in the first part of your comment. The whole team was playing like crap…see Roy Hibbert and others. And you are wrong about him being worthless if he isn’t shooting well. He clearly demonstrated (when he was playing well early on) an aggression and capability to take the ball to the hole and finish which is not something Dunleavy can do. Plenty of people saw that such as Quinn Buckner.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Precisely!!! Additionally, to beat my dead horse, I’d say odds right now are about 75% Dunleavy is not here next year. Knowing the NBA, some terrible GM is going to offer him more money than he is worth and he will probably take it, (assuming we don’t trade him). I’m a little bit surprised I’m not getting more support (so far) on this. I guess “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applies, but I just do not see how there would be a big drop off if Dunleavy sits whereas I see a much bigger immediate upside to Rush. Have people forgotten the numerous outstanding games he had this year??

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Have you forgotten his

infinitely more numerous non-factor games?

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

This year…I don’t think that’s true…over his career definitely

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no desire to Rush back in the line up ever

If anything, I would like to see PG start so Dunleavy can play the position he should be playing off the bench (SF)

I have never been a Dunleavy supporter and I think if we can get an asset we should trade him but he isn’t a shooting guard and he isn’t hurting this team right now at all

by dbcb on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

yep....

cheering against a player that doesn’t put in any work in the offseason, likes smoking pot and being dumb enough to get caught, doesn’t give consistent effort on the court, and isn’t better than the 4 players ahead of him on the depth chart right now makes me a hater.

makes perfect sense.

by dbcb on Feb 14, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You worked out with him in the off-season?

You’ve talked to OB and he told you he doesn’t put in consistent effort on the court? You really don’t know what you’re talking about… do you film the team practices do you have any idea how much work he puts in? You think he was happy about his pot slip up? I know for a fact he was beating himself up over it and has given consistent effort day in and day out… doesn’t help if the coach draws up a play that has you camped out in the corner of 9 out of 10 plays

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 14, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed…it was more than a rumor that Rush worked his tail off this off season. Plenty of people confirmed it and quite frankly it showed when he played. Again, JOB may have been KILLING this guy JUST LIKE he was apparently killing Hibbert, Tyler, Collison (all of whom more or less said as much in the press). I’m dieing to see what he can do with a real coach in a real system that takes advantage of his skills…

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You are only remembering his good games

and forgetting his forgetful games where he floated and even his defense wasn’t any good.

He started off this year great for a stretch. And just like his other two years, he had his stretch of good play and then… nothing. He becomes a waste of space and just hangs around all game.

His “great offseason work” isn’t paying off in his stats. His PER is still only 11. his FG percentage has improved… but it has been falling since the start of the year until he got hurt

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

JOB factor JOB factor…look at Hibbert’s collapse…Rush still deserves a good look under Vogel. I know he was inconsistent but so was Hibbert for example. I mean the whole team was really.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Then he should earn his spot back

ala D. Jones style. Not be handed the starting job just because. He hasn’t earned it.

by dbcb on Feb 15, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought the rule was a player couldn’t lose his spot due to an injury. He WAS playing before he got hurt because he earned it. He should get some minutes..ok..maybe not start right away and D-Jones deserves to play too..that’s why it’s a tough call in my book but he had earned his minutes before he got hurt.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand supporting Dunleavy. I do think he is decent although I admit that is not clear in my original post, but are you kidding me about Rush?? That does not make any sense to me. He’s had multiple great games this year and he deserves a look under Vogel as the new coach has done wonders for everyone else.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Under JOB yes. Under Vogel no, because Vogel is actually trying to have PFs do what they are supposed to do: Bang down low, go to the line, rebound, play physical D like J-Mac and Tyler. Dunleavy just doesn’t have the strength for that.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

You've misunderstood what he is saying.

He’s talking about a forward running a team like point guard, something like Lebron does. Not playing power forward necessarily.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

you’re right…my eyes tricked me on that one…i read "power forward’…not “point forward” however my answer is the same…I don’t think he is quick enough or a good enough ball handler under either coach’s system to do that.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

is this under the assumption that DC is no longer in the lineup?

If that’s the case I would presume…. Dahntay Jones guarding the PG, George on the best wing, Dunleavy on the other wing, DG on the power forward, and Hibbert on the center. Causes match-problems in theory at least.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 15, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

ha!

You got that right, however, I must admit I should have titled my post differently and focused more on wanting to see Rush under Vogel than ripping Dunleavy and saying he should be benched…that’s too strong. I simply want to see Rush get REAL MINUTES in there SOMEHOW under Vogel so we can see what he can do. I am surprised at how most don’t like the idea though. Early on I saw a guy (rush) who looked completely different to me on the court and literally dominated AT TIMES…not USUALLY DOMINATED…..until the JOB virus soaked in again. If Vogel hadn’t made such a huge difference so quickly in so many aspects of the Pacers, it would be different, but I don’t see how we can’t give Rush another shot considering the Pacers DRAMATIC turnaround and the fact that it is not even debatable..Dunleavy is NOT the future at the position. Rush at least POTENTIALLY is.

by leganitos on Feb 15, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

This post is probably dead but...

I agree Leganitos especially after that awful game against Detroit. T-Mac looked to have his swagger back… I guess 2guards are starting to remember how bad Dunleavy’s defense actually is. George might’ve said Duns has helped him move without the ball but that was just him playing to the media. Duns isn’t involved with the younger guys like most of the fans seem to believe… Its a facad

by Pedro4Prez on Feb 18, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

not dead yet!!

Yeah..I’m amazed at how much people love that guy…they almost had ME convinced he was good with all those lame fantasy stats and talk about what a great “team” player he is teaching Paul George…yeah, I’m really sure Paul George needs Mike Dunleavy to teach him how to play basketball. Hopefully he doesn’t teach him how NOT to make the playoffs his entire career……good lord…give me a break…the guy is totally one dimensional…..and since my original post his play is getting worse and worse…yet some guy will probably reply about how on game days beginning with the letter “T”, when the temperature outside is an even number, the opposing team as exactly 3 guys from the Big Ten conference, and Slick Leonard had pasta for dinner then Mike Dunleavy is the highest rated 2 guard in the NBA.

by leganitos on Feb 19, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

time for vindication

Ok Rush…let’s see what you got…Dunleavy is hurt…it’s now or never for you. By the way…any of you guys think Dunleavy could have made that game-winning dunk play that Rush made last night???

I didn’t think so.

by leganitos on Feb 24, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

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