Impressions?
* DG was shaky at best, but did what we all wanted him to do: Hit open threes, make a few great plays and show genuine effort on both ends. The efficiency will hopefully come sooner rather than later.
* George Hill is not a point guard. He played there for a few minutes in the second half and looked lost. He'll hopefully get there soon, because...
* Darren Collison still looks average. He made a few piss-poor decisions, but his shot selection was better than expected. I liked that he could knock down open shots. That's more than I could say for him this time last year.
* Lance Stephenson is shockingly magnetic...you can't take your eyes off of him when he's on the court. I don't like him even a little, and I don't think he's entitled to anything, but I'd like to see him get consistent minutes and...
* Dhantay Jones needs zero minutes. He does what he does well (hustle, defense, etc), but I'm pretty sure he'd do it no better than Hill, who will one day start making shots. Jones will not. He is wildly ineffective in any non-fast-break scenario.
* Didn't miss Foster. The three bigs stepped up the offensive rebounding in a big way. Hansbrough was great, even if he shot too quickly. West was amazing, given how uncomfortable they were to put him out there in the pre-season (he looked pretty much in perfect shape to me, especially with the low-block work...didn't even know he had that in him) and Hibbert was at times unstoppable. Loved it.
* Paul George did nothing to sway me from my man crush. He hit his threes, played great D...would've had 20 points if he hadn't been pulled after collecting two fouls in three minutes.
* I'm starting to really understand why Bird wanted Mayo or Crawford so badly for the bench. That stretch in the second quarter where it was Lance/Hill/Jones/Hans and West (with Hans at center) was brutal offensively. Though if Lance can get to the rim with regularity and HIll can start hitting ANYTHING it may not be so bad.
One game. 65 more. I love this team, and am super-excited to see what it does.
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West should get better...
As good as he looked, he didn’t have much elevation on his jumpers. That will come as he gets in shape.
exactly what I was thinking, West needs his legs fully back to be effective with his shots.
I like D Jones when he’s not shooting the ball from deep at the end of the 24s, you’ve got to give him credit for his leadership his D and his transition game, that’s enough for an 9th man.
I would have loved to see a little bit more of Stephenson and some Admunson at the end of the game, maybe tomorrow!
i agree with you about lance
i really don’t think we’d be losing much by giving all of dahntay’s minutes to him
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I know Jones doesn't appear to have a huge impact.
But, when it comes to 3rd, 4th wing in the rotation…we could do alot worse. He can play some minutes at either 2 or 3 which is good b/c I don’t know if you can say the same for Lance or Hill.
I’m still very glad to have Jones, and even for a guy who loves upside like myself…if someone came in and said, you have to release Lance or Jones…pick one….I’m going to keep Jones.
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Just like you said...
65 more games. Good observations for one game but don’t turn these into season long generalizations. I don’t think Hill will struggle ALL YEAR at PG. He honestly probably had about a month to play with new teammates and be integrated into a new system. Hill is not an all-star but will provide solid mins off the bench. Also, you may not have missed Foster last night because nobody on the Detroit frontline is taller than 6’9". Austin Daye was probably their tallest player. When Hibbert and Hansbrough and West start playing against bigger, tougher front lines, they will need Foster and Amundson to flatten some opposing bigs. Indiana will also need Jones as the season goes on. He provides good hustle off the bench and sometimes that equates into offensive explosiveness. But I agree, he’s lost in half court offensive schemes.
I think the problem the Pacers will encounter as the year goes on is not having a player who is “the man.” If they are down two with 10 seconds left…who do you give the ball to? When the team starts playing bad and gives up double digit leads, who’s going to bring them back? Hopefully they can figure this out before the playoffs.
happy for the win; personally i didn't like the rotations
I understand George had 2 in the first half, but give him some run withe the 2nd unit. Like others, I would’ve loved to see more Stephenson. I know they’re trying to get more court time for the players that will get regular run, but I’d like to see them give Lance more. He was up and cheering off the bench and he played well on the court.
He may be a terrible individual (I don’t know),but I like his game and would love to see more of it.
I thought Hill did just fine at the point
He’s really a prototype combo 0 guard, but honestly DC’s not exactly a floor general point either. Hill ran the pick and rolls with West so much better than DC it’s not even funny. There was a PnR in the 3rd (I think) up top at the 3 point line where Hill drove right off the screen and drew 3 defenders and laid a great pass off to a wide open West who’d gone to the top of the key, West just didn’t hit it. That’s a shot he hits more often than not. Would’ve been the best play of the night maybe.
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nothing would beat the PG block and taking it back for a tough layup.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
Amen Spar
I was just thinking that
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 27, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
You know what's awesome?
Debating who should get minutes in the 8th and 9th spot of the rotation. What a luxury, and a testament to the team Larry Bird has assembled.
by BenD on Dec 27, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Abso-freaking-lutely
My biggest take away from the game? I wasn’t cringing when someone came off the bench. Yes, even Dahntay. He knew his place in the rotation and knocked down a few makeable shots. When you have 9 guys scoring with 5 in double figures and 2 more only a few shy, it doesn’t leave much to be desired.
In a perfect world where foul trouble doesn’t exist I can see not playing D. Jones but if George or Granger get in foul trouble I don’t see how Jones doesn’t play.
by GrangerSCK33 on Dec 27, 2011 6:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It makes me wonder...
… why there’s so much Dahntay hate. In the rotation that was used, he wasn’t a first, second, or even third scoring option. He’s a veteran, and I’d like to believe that he knows his place in the offensive flow.
The guy shot 50% from the floor with a good shot selection. For second best on a squad that missed 63% of their shots, how is he being looked at as such a liability? It’s not like we’re talking about a dude that doesn’t get the ball in the hoop. As a Pacer, he’s shooting around 47%.
I like D. Jones too
why are we bashing Dahntay after he had a pretty good game?Jones actually played pretty well, did everything that was asked of him, he wasn’t jacking up crazy shots and made all the right decisions last night. Jones is a bit like Vogel’s lieutenant out there, he’s willing to get dirty and physical and bring good energy when he’s on the floor.
For all those people calling for D. Jones’ head, I think they just want to blame somebody for something based on absolutely nothing. Now that there’s no more Solo, Rush, Ford, nor Posey, D. Jones becomes the convenient sacapegoat. he literately didn’t do anything wrong last night, and people are still hating him. lol.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 27, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
dahntay is fine
as long as he doesn’t take shots that he shouldn’t
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by wonillionaire on Dec 27, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
If we can keep
D.Jones from taking ill-advised shots and teach him the evils of that and let him do what he does best and play his hard nosed defense. Then give him the mins.
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 27, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Jones
Will not take alot of bad shots this year. The past couple years Jones has had to be a scorer in the second unit, which isnt his game. This year the pacers are deep enough that Jones doesnt have to be a scorer. You saw that in the first game of the year. He played great(in his role). i’m more concerned about the play of some of the other pacers.
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I thought DG played well overall, the shots weren’t falling and he forced a few situations, but I felt good about how he was playing in the offense overall. When Danny is willing to pass and be more involved defensively it can only be a good thing.
Hill may not be a point guard, but he definitely ran the PnR better than DC.
Feel the second unit will be fine.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 27, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Dont agree with what you said about foster at all
I think its gonna take time still but its nice to see the Pacers get wins early in the season while in the process of gettin to know each other..ie west and hill
We really didn't miss Foster last night...
But we will need him this season. It’s nice to see that we can function without him, but he provides the toughness and hustle we need. Hopefully he gets well soon.
Same with Pendergraph, but I don’t see him getting many minutes.
by MillerTime31 on Dec 27, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty Good
But they will…They WILL IMPROVE. Especially at the shooting…Looking to be a more of around 45% by the 10th game maybe. Roy was dead on as I predicted except he had a few more RB’s. Danny…Well he was Danny. Paul played like the HUGE stud he is and will get better…He even ran point guard a few plays and found an open Darren for a 3. Right? West came out like he was PISSED as did Tyler. And man, did it show. West looked like he was entering the octagon before tip off with a scowl on his face and a mission to accomplish which he did. And EXPECT more of his shots going in in about 5 games. Darren and George seemed to have they’re times, BUT Lance, although seemed a little outta control at times looked HUGE out their and would like to see him play a few more mins than D. Jones, in which he didnt have a bad game really. If someone can just tell him to “CHILL THE F&&K OUT” when he has the ball. Let the game come to him. I do think he will see more mins b/c of his size advantage and his bruising style of play he does.
We all begged for the Pacers to just bring it and they indeed brought it…Loved they’re enthusiasm and cohesiveness. And hope it carrys into Toronto..A team with only a couple of decent players. Another team the Pacers should wipe off the bottom of they’re shoes by game end like they did the Pistons.
I do wish they had Micheal Redd or a decent back up at the 3 when Danny AND Paul sit. Just someone to find shots.
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I was sitting center court courtside, so could see a lot...
Here’s what I saw…
West was breathing much harder than anyone on the Pacers, and he looks 5-10 pounds heavy, but his knee looked strong.
Hibbert was afraid to take contact from Ben Wallace, so in the first half, he was playing way too far outside – I think someone yelled at him at half time and he played inside more – or maybe it was me yelling the entire game at him to get under the basket :)
Collison and Hill both look to have below average NBA speed/quickness, especially DC.
One of the refs (Leroy?) knew the guys sitting in front of me and didn’t seem to me to be into the game as much as he should be.
Paul George is going to be really good, bur still needs to work on his ball handling a lot.
Didn’t see as much of the pick and roll or pick and pop as I expected, and when I did, it seemed to be run (ineffectively) with Hibbert rather than West. Also, the guards don’t at all seem able to feed Hibbert down low – so (and I hate to say this), maybe he can be excused for coming out so high to get the ball sometimes – he had that problem w/ Chicago too.
We really need another center – were fortunate to get away with Hans/West at 4/5 for extended minutes.
Ugh...
… why you has to rain on our good times? =)
In our excitement to be talking about games that are in the record books, and not simply speculating, we’re forgetting that the team we faced was the abysmal Detroit Pistons. Though there were a lot of positives to take away, you’re dead on, Karl.
Four minutes into the game, I was watching West with his hands on his hips sucking air like he’d just fallen out of the Indianapolis Mini Marathon. The guy has conditioning issues, naturally, but everyone knew that. While he certainly looked confident in his moves in the post, his jump shot was more of a hop shot. He looked like he was getting about three inches off the ground. Hopefully this is a mere cardio issue and not something that’ll be indicative of how he’ll shoot from here on.
Your comments on Hibbert mirrored what was said by a few guys around me at the Fieldhouse. He looked intimidated by Ben Wallace, despite having a 5 inch advantage. The good news for Hibbert? There aren’t many Ben Wallace’s around the league that play the 5 spot. Who is there in the East that would match up with Roy that brings an air of intimidation with them? Dwight Howard’s a big, imposing center, but I’m pretty sure he and Roy are friends. Who else is out there? Noah? EVERYONE wants to see Roy evolve into the 7’2" behemoth that dominates his smaller opponents, but four years in, I think we’ve seen what Roy is.
Hill looked fast. DC is supposedly faster, but you don’t see him explode like Rose or Rondo.
Stuckey made DC and Hill look very bad several times because he’s much faster/quicker and was the only player on the Pistons w/o a negative plus minus (was 0).
I was assuming West’s lack of lift was due to conditioning and fatigue because he seemed to move well on the ground both laterally and banging against the Pistons, he didn’t ever favor his knee either.
Roy is also the only guy on the court who has poor posture, his neck is down, like he’s ashamed to be so tall! I also could see everyone’s eyes very clearly and Roy is the only one with “crazy eyes” that go back and forth from way right to way left very, very fast – either he’s really freaked out out there, or maybe he needs checked for glaucoma – he looked like he doesn’t have normal peripheral vision.
by FortWayneKarl on Dec 27, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
hey Karl, you should be at the game more often
you know, so you can be Roy’s personal counselor.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I know you’re being sarcastic, but regardless,I take my mother to one game a year when I’m back home to Indiana over the holidays, and I guess Roy will just have to make due without me! :)
by FortWayneKarl on Dec 28, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I was only half kidding
I kinda do agree with you about Roy’s mental issues, having D west constantly pushing him, it might be that extra umph that roy desperately needs.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 28, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
He might not have looked fast
but make no mistake, DC is lighting fast!
For the record...
I never said we don’t need foster, just that we didn’t last night.
Never said hill sucks, just that he’s not a pg and needs to hit more shots.
Never said jones sucks, just that he sucks at shooting, either off the dribble or wide open. He does. Watch the tape again if you don’t remember.
All in all though the team did what it could ALMOST NEVER do last year: hold a lead
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Could't agree more...
…with your comments on PG. I actually thought DC looked like more of a floor general. Or maybe he just looked more comfortable. Either way, I’m not sure his assist totals will be indicative of his impact in the future. This offense doesn’t look like it’s going to be a PG-driven venture.
My take
I’m really excited. West was a revelation to me, and the combo of him and Hans is formidable indeed. Roy’s numbers were a real surprise to me as he did seem tentative, but as said above, our guards had a hard time getting him the ball when he was posting up.
I liked DC, and disagree about Hill playing point. He is an infinitely better ball handler and more comfortable passing than George, so when Hill and DC were playing together I felt much more comfortable in terms of ball movement.
George obviously has some serious potential, but when the offense is running through him and Granger I feel they are going to turn it over every time. Both dribble to high and make dubious decisions with their passes. Hope to see this improve during the season, but I don’t think George is ever going to be good dribbling the ball.
I don’t understand the Dahntay hate, I think he can have a role on this team. I love that he’s not afraid of anyone, and seems to have an attitude that, regardless of the evidence to the contrary, he is the best player on the court when he’s playing. He’ll help us this year.
Also liked Lance. Oddly, someone said that his time on the floor the offense really stalled, but I thought they played really
A Resounding Really Good!
Despite the opponent – A thorough beatdown of any NBA team is calls for celebration.
Unlike some I thought Collission led the starting unit with control and poise.
Plus his improved jump shot along with his speed is going to cause problems for most opponents.
West played with an energy and resilience that seemed to rub off on everybody. I think Hibbert said it best “we just followed his lead”. It was down right contagious.
Paul continues to amaze and at 6’10" look out.
Last but not least is my man – NOW READY Lance!
Imagine an eventual lineup of Lance, Paul, Granger, West, Hibbert (6’6", 6’10", 6’9", 6’10", 7’2")
For what its worth now
After watching the game it looked like the Pacers for once looked intimidating to the teams they are supposed to beat. Maybe it was the home opener hyper or whatever, but they looked liked caged wolves when they hit the floor and showed it with they’re relentness rebounding and scrapping play. If they’re shots start falling in the next 5 games they be a team only the Bulls or Heat would enjoy playing.
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