NBA trades Paul to Clippers
by easymoney2x on Dec 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST
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By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports Staff
The NBA has reached an agreement to trade New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Hornets will receive guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and theMinnesota Timberwolves’ unprotected first-round pick.
Well this certainly helps our case to be able to get Gordon when he becomes a free agent after this year!
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Chances of Gordon to Indy next year?
Only problem is he’s restricted with NOLA able to match offers
I disagree
you can NEVER count on a restricted free agent.
Even if we offer the max (which I think would be retarded), NO can still match.
Basically, Gordon would have to do something out of character nad bitch and moan and say “do not resign me” for it to even be a possibility.
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more likely a sign and trade offer
If they don’t get a buyer that whole team’s falling apart. Hell, it may be contracted by this time next year.
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Come on,
You don’t like Gordon as a good fit for this team dbcd. I think if we want to move George to the three Gordon would fit nicely at the two here. Granted that means we’d have to move Granger but we can all agree that’s got to happen eventually anyway if George keeps improving. Gordon and Collison would be a little small in the backcourt but I think we could get away with it.
I won't agree that a Granger trade is inevitable.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 15, 2011 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't say he wasn't a good fit for the team in my post...
in another post I mentioned he has been injury prone and that scares the crap out of me but he is a good player. Maybe a bit overrated on this board due to thefact he is a hometown kid but hes good.
His size doesn’t worry me much due to his wingspan and strength.
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What I was hoping for.......
the chances Gordon resigns in New Orleans is much lower than it would have been if he stayed in LA. Seems like just a matter of time now. He is the long term answer at the 2 and the best chance we have to beat Derrick Rose and Chicago.
by thomasezekiel77 on Dec 14, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
paul george is the long term answer at the 2
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by wonillionaire on Dec 14, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Paul George is now 6'10"
And is a SF
by BenD on Dec 14, 2011 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like people are making too big a deal of PG's size.
Just look at Lebron, that guy could be a Point Guard. I don’t see why PG couldn’t make a living at SG.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 14, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
and why wouldn’t we want a 6’10’’ SG? that would create nightmares for the other team in terms of mismatches
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by wonillionaire on Dec 14, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ok with him playing the 2.
But, ideally he would either greatly improve his dribbling and shot creating abilities (not to mention 3pt consistency) or we get a legit scoring SG and he goes back to backing up both wing spots…or we trade Granger and he starts at SF.
peac.e
Good Point
With his youth and athletism, he should have no problem backing up both wing spots…don’t believe trading Granger will be an option.
I don't see how this increases the chances of obtaining Gordon
He’s the centerpiece of the trade that removed their only superstar. They’re going to do what they can to hang onto him.
Gordon staying with a Chris Paul Clippers team, who had just matched a big offer for Jordan, paying big money to Paul and anticipating a huge payday for Blake Griffin was Indy’s best chance of getting EJ through free agency.
Actually,
I feel like if Eric Gordon were to resign a different place after this season, he’d be like “Well, okay, I’m going back to the Clippers, and this time I’m playing with Chris Paul.”
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i completely agree
they pretty much gave away every major piece of the team away except for blake griffin, not to mention a timberwolves pick that could be very valuable in this year’s talented draft class.
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by wonillionaire on Dec 14, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Count on the Clippers
to continue to make the worst management decisions ever.
They just love those lotto balls.
by ruascott on Dec 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why not now?
The Pacers need a SG. Danny Granger for Eric Gordon, with each playing in their hometown. Throw in Ariza if necessary. Why not now?
No need
There is no need to make that deal now. He either signs as a restricted free agent next off season or forces a sign and trade once their salaries are closer to matching.
by thomasezekiel77 on Dec 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
WTF are the Clippers thinking?
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NOW
If we can just get Eric to say the magic nightmare phrase…I’m not resigning"….BOOM, we have a legit shot to nab Gordon this week. Cmon EJ, do Naptown a solid and we;re set for the next decade with him, Paul, George, Darren, Roy, Tyler & Pendargraff…as well as West as the team leader for at least the next few yrs.
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that would be awesome
But i doubt he will say he wont resign this season
Soooo
NO will get Andre Drummond as well? Dont they need a point guard too play?
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You could kill two birds with one stone.....
If Gordon tells New Orleans he is not interested in resigning, you could send Granger and Rush to New Orleans for Gordon and Okafor. That would give us a shot blocking rebounder to start at the four to compliment Hibbert at the 5, move West to the three, get your long term answer at the 2 in Gordon, and start Collison at the point. That would be a team with better defined roles.
by thomasezekiel77 on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
West is not a three
especially not at 30 years old on a surgically repaired knee
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Who the f*ck lied to you about West being a SF?
Seriously? That’s two separate threads you’ve been talking that nonsense. Get the f*** outta here with that!
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by LukeNukem on Dec 14, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
+1
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by wonillionaire on Dec 14, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I love how you guys have zero faith in Paul George as a shooting guard
let’s see what happens in this season first before we jump to any conclusions on what we sign next season. Who knows, maybe Paul George is the next Tracy Mcgrady.
As yall can tell, I’m not all that big on E.J. as some of you, I think he’ll be more of a Monta Ellis and Jason Terry type of player down the line rather than someone like a Dwayne Wade.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions
No way Spre
I have tons..literally TONS of faith and hope that Paul will have a he-ma like yr. A total mismatch nightmare for every team….A huge shooting Guard and an Atheletic Small Forward
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 14, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
that's what I'm talking about
the current team is absolutely huge, we practically have the biggest starting lineup in basketball right now and it’s not like we’re slow, let’s see how it works out before we give up on it, there’s just so much mismatch potential here.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
big starting lineup?
George is tall for a shooting guard, Granger is a small forward who can play PF, and Hibbert is a tall center. However, this is cancelled out by Collison being a small PG and West being supremely average sized as a PF
actually Darren isn't THAT small
he’s a bit skinny, but he’s actually a legit 6’ 1", which is actually normal for a point guard.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Darren is really skinny
espn.com has him listed as 6’0" and 160 lbs. That’s pretty small, especially in today’s bulked up NBA.
I just think there are bigger lineups out there. The mid-90’s Pacers were taller at every position besides shooting guard: Jackson 6’3", Miller 6’7", McKey 6’10", Davis 6’11", Smits 7’4"
Didn’t know that about West’s wingspan, that’s awesome.
damn, that's huge, forgot all about Mckey
that dude was a big small forward. And Reggie might have been listed close to 6’ 8" in today’s measurement standards. Yeah, you’re totally right, and don’t forget that 2001 season where we had Jalen Rose running point, although Smits retire by then.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 15, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
also wanting to add that West has a 7' 4" wing span
though his athleticism is all but gone by now.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is more a lack of faith in Granger TBH
and a irrational love for the hometown kid.
George will eventually outgrow SG. It is just a matter of time.
He is a Monta Ellis type except he has the strength to not get bullied by the bigger shooting guards. He is much more powerful than the standard smallish shooting guard.
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George is a future lock down defensive all-star at SF
I would argue that Paul George’s future is at SF and defense will be his forte due to his length.
You mean All-Definsive SF then...
B/c you don’t make the All-star team by being a good defender…though Ron-Ron was only putting up average numbers when he made it. Must’ve been thin that year…plus he was crazy and I think people wanted to see what he’d do.
peac.e
All defensive team, not All-Star
PG has the tools to be All-Defensive, not All Star. Much too early to know what his topside is.
If I'm not mistaken, you weren't so fond of the hometown kid from Carmel
yes, Monta is not as strong and as good of a defender as Gordon, but he is much quicker. Either way, a skilled shooting guard who knows how to properly utilize a postup will take have an edge over someone who is 3-4 inches shorter. I just don’t like undersize players to be honest with you, I think they’re just starting from a unfavorable stand point.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Guilty as charged
EJ belongs here. Him coming here on his own accord, after a successful season where he can log 70+ games and play at a fringe all-star level, would do WORLDS of good for our franchise and our city.
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75+
anything under 75 games from him scares me personally
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Well, I guess we'd have to extrapolate this season anyway
So if he makes it to 55+ I’m good with him coming here. That’d be 83% of his games (68ish), a number DG’s failed to hit in two of his last three seasons
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Evaluating PG's Game
Most people see PG as a long term 3, and want based on his talent and potential want him to play where he can reach these.. lets consider a few factors.
1) Remove DG from this team, and tell me where PG would likely play, and its small forward. If the guys really gonna be a star there is no reason to play him out of position.
2) Evaluating his strengths and weaknesses, his game seems to suit the SF position more. His biggest weaknesses on O are ball handling and shooting. Now, he will improve, but he doesn’t strike me as the type of Kobe player who is going to be great attacking the rim or creating offense, ever, and as of right now (or last season) he clearly did not have the chops to handle the ball consistently on the perimeter.
3) How many full-time NBA 2 guards are 6-10?? Based on what i’ve heard this offseason, PG is now a legit 6-10.. Prototype SG size is 6-4 to 6-7, this isn’t by accident and doesn’t necessarily preclude him from playing SG, but again more evidence that it shouldn’t be his natural position.
Overall, we should not be forcing our (potential) best player long-term to play out of position. That is why I would certainly not be surprised by us trading Granger, if Paul starts to live up to that potential.
Kevin Durant is 6'10"-6'11", does that mean OKC should play him at power forward?
imagine if you had 3 lebrons on you team, you’re tealling me, you wouldn’t put all three of them out there at the same time. Lebron is a point forward, because his perimeter game is suspect but still very good.
No doubt, Kevin Durant is a special player, and we’ve probably never seen a player that long and play that kind of style ever before. My point is Paul George is not a pure small forward, he himself truely believes that he is a shooting guard (watch his draft interviews), Paul is a swing man, and that means he can play both wing positions. Most small forwards who are strictly identified as small forwards are due to their inability to defend quicker players at the 2, Paul Goerge does not have that inability.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
why do you think people are so high on Paul George?
because he’s not prototypical, he’s a special player!!!!!!
by latrell spreewel on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
alot of players play both positions
I am just saying if you guys really believe that his best long term position is SG i think you are kidding yourselves and also letting our current roster (our best player plays SF) and PG’s potential cloud your decision.
And I would say defensively his best attribute is his length, not necessarily his quickness.
Also, neither Lebron or KD play full time shooting guard, nor are they considered shooting guards.
lets look at what a 3rd party has to say, who is probably more knowledgeable on player abilities than most
Hollinger’s Notes:
+ Long, smooth wing with natural scoring instincts. Can shoot and finish.
+ Struggled on D but showed potential. Quick hands and reads passing lanes.
+ Needs to improve long-range shot, play harder and upgrade handle.
George’s overall stats weren’t amazing, but his rookie season oozed potential. Statistically, he was solid in virtually every category and gave an indication that his career could develop in several potential directions. His strongest negative category was a high turnover rate, which history has shown is indicative of great growth potential in future seasons.
His other weak category, 3-point shooting (29.7 percent), is one where players often make great strides in their second and third pro seasons; given his smooth stroke and 44 percent shooting on jumpers from 10-23 feet, one presumes he’ll make the adjustment to the pro distance soon enough.
Meanwhile, George shot 65.6 percent in the basket area, rebounded well for a small forward, and had the third-highest rate of steals at the position. He has great hands and reads passing lanes, although he fouled too much and needs to improve his defensive fundamentals. Additionally, a positional question looms — he can’t really guard 2s and is stretched with his ballhandling and shooting at that spot, but the 3 spot is rather capably manned by Danny Granger at the moment. Nonetheless, he was one of 2010-11’s most promising rookies and has definite breakout potential for 2011-12.
I do think it makes sense that he starts at SG this year so he can get alot of minutes, but still think that long term he’ll be a SF
i take issue with
hollinger saying that George can’t guard 2s. he guarded Derrick Rose for most of the playoffs pretty well. rose is definitely quicker and more athletic than 99% of 2s in the league.
you’re also acting like PG will never improve any of his skills and will constantly remain the player he started out as. there’s no law that says Paul George will never develop good handles and an ability to create his own shot.
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by wonillionaire on Dec 15, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
plus, Paul’s midrange was incredebly efficient for a guy in his rookie season, which is a huge nessecity for any shooter. Now, Paul might never become an elite ball handler like T-mac, but I think playing at the 2 gives him the best advantage to succeed since at that position, he’s just has the size advantage to shoot over his man with ease as oppose to playing the 3 where he constantly have to shoot over the Lebron, Rudy Gay and the Kevin Durants of the world, suddenly his advantage isn’t all that obvious since those guys bigger or close to Paul’s size.
Just imagine, if Paul really develop a post move like he said he’s been trying to do over the summer, that shot would be unblockable and incredibly efficient against most 2 guards in this league.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 15, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to Disagree
Not worried about his D, we will play matchups anyway so position doesn’t matter a ton.
Mostly worried about lack of ballhandling skills or ability to create offense for himself and others, something this team is still lacking.
Either way we both think he will become a solid player so it will be fun watching it play out!
Guys
As much fun as it would be to use most of the team’s cap space to throw the max at Gordon in the near future, Indy still needs some cash to spend on its own players. It’s fun having such a young team, but with youth comes eventual payouts. Hibbert, Collison, Hill, Hansbrough, and PG aren’t going to be cheap, even if Indy only re-signs a couple of them it’s not going to be cheap. I don’t know if signing Gordon is worth potentially disallowing Indy from signing its own FAs. Especially since Gordon still has some health questions to answer, as in can he stay healthy?
It's fun to dream and all
But the only way Gordon will be a Pacer before becoming an actual unrestricted free agent (in six years) is a trade. New Orleans will have an owner by the time EJ’s an RFA (if he even gets there), he’ll be the star of a team that’ll be adding two lotto picks in a great draft, whoever the owner is will absolutely match any deal offered Gordon. And no he won’t sign some ludicrous one year offer sheet to become a UFA quicker.
Is NO more likely to trade him than the Clips would’ve been? Maybe, maybe not, I doubt it.
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Am I the only one who feels like NOH will become the Seattle Hornets?
It just seems like no one wants to buy the team and keep it in that city.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
That city can't support a team
just because they had a tragedy doesn’t mean they should keep a team they can’t support. That market is too damn small
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Which city are you referring to?
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
The new owner will almost certainly move them
But they will get an owner. They’d already have one if the NBA weren’t so insistent on keeping them in NO.
Sup Jello Shot?
Not if you believe David Stern
Stern has made it clear that the league will sell the Hornets only to an owner who will keep the team in NO. He said it again last night at the press conference called to announce the trade. The Hornets have sold more than 10,000 season tickets for this season, probably not a big deal in major markets but very strong for a city the size of NO.
Stern needs to go away
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+1
he was once a great commissioner, but now he’s bad for the league. he should have left two years ago.
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by wonillionaire on Dec 15, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
there's another way...
If the Hornets get contracted and all their current players become free agents. Not likely, but could be a possibility
Wait...so did that change with the new CBA?
If a team extends a QA to a player coming off their rookie contract and matches any other offers, they don’t have the right to turn down the team that drafted them? I know they made it so the difference in what their current team and a new team can pay a wider margin than before, but I thought RFAs and UFAs still had the final say in where they signed.
peac.e
it's always been that way
UFAs can pick their team, but if a RFA takes the QO the team that drafted him can match whatever and he’s there for the duration
Sup Jello Shot?
OK...I knew he wasn't locked in.
So, he doesn’t sign the QA. Then he walks. If he’s not happy, no one is forcing him to stay.
Again, I don’t really care. I’m not sold on him. I think we’d have to overpay. I just knew he wasn’t completely off the market to other teams. Just couldn’t really remember.
I mean nothing says he has to take the QA right?
peac.e
The fact that Larry has made 2 concerted efforts to acquire a SG (starter in my mind) in Mayo, indicates to me that Paul’s future with the Pacers is at SF. With our best player, team captain locked in as starter, Paul will remain his back-up until it counts
Then Paul will shift to SG, causing headaches & mismatches for opponents.
I honestly don't think Larry cares about where guys play position wise
We can bemoan our lack of a strong defensive pass first point, a rough and tumble big, a guy that create his own offense, etc etc, but the biggest problem with the roster is just straight up lack of talent. The biggest thing needed is talent upgrades, which we’ve gotten. We got two new guys who’re immediately two of our best four players, maybe best three.
Sup Jello Shot?
He just wanted someone who can create his own shot
he wasn’t looking for a SG specifically
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The fact that Larry went after Mayo(starter/backup) first & Crawford(backup/starter) second along with his draft day acquisition of Hill(backup) makes me believe his preference was a starter.
With Granger & Paul (still growing) holding down the SF position for yrs to come, SG (prefably starter) is where we should be looking.
I like EJ's game as much as the next guy...
but he does have a history of injurys and would be very expensive too. I think we have an exciting mix of talented players on this team, and I’m looking forward to seeing how they play this year. In my opinion Paul George has the ability to be an Eric Gordon caliber player,he’s not there yet, but the sky’s the limit for this young man. I do hope the Pacers add another back up C/PF though, they plan on bringing David West along slowly and Jeff is no spring chicken. Maybe they could package a deal with Rush to Sacramento for Jason Thompson. GO PACERS !!!
If Chris Paul doesn't sign an extension...
and leaves in a couple years then terrible trade. If they traded all that talent to rent Chris Paul for 2 years then Blake is out of there. I’m sure he’d sign to play with Blake but remembering Clippers history I wouldn’t be suprised if he left.
If he leaves it'll be after this year
If they rent him, it’ll be for 66 games. Though I doubt they’d trade three lottery picks and a huge expiring deal they could have used at the deadline for 66 games’-worth of Paul. But you never know with the NBA.
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Paul
Agreed to pick up the last year of his contract. He will not be a FA until 2013.
by VERNON HOWELL on Dec 15, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that he said that, but he doesn't have to decide until the end of the year
I’ll believe it when I see it. I assume he’ll re-structure for a long-term deal, unless New York can free up space for him somehow. It would be a bitch move to agree to sign for an extra year and then reneg, but you never know. He’s said all along he wants to play for NY.
All that aside, yes, I know he “agreed,” but he is still technically an expiring contract with an ETO at the end of this year and he very well COULD be a FA this summer.
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Yeah, he could pull a Boozer
I wonder if Boozer had stayed in Cleveland if Lebron would’ve won a championship there.
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