Pacers Free Agent Update: Indiana Pacers Sign Power Forward David West
by Tom Lewis on Dec 11, 2011 3:42 PM EST
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PrintThe Pacers may After months of talking about addressing the power forward position combined with much speculation on just how they might do it, the Indiana Pacers reportedly agreed to a two-year, $20 million deal with free agent David West.
West comes to Indy to play with a young Pacers team that desperately needs a positive veteran presence that can also make an impact on the court. West has spent all eight of his NBA seasons with the New Orleans Hornets where he leaves behind career averages of 16.9 points and 7.3 rebounds per game. He was averaging 19 points per game last season when an ACL injury end his year after 70 games.
The injury also put his pending free agency in peril, making him a risk to return ready to play in the 2011-12 season at age 31. West pronounced himself fit to play late in the summer but the NBA lockout offered West the additional time needed to keep preparing the knee and his game to be ready for the season to tip.
The Pacers also minimized their risk in the deal by being able to agree to a two-year deal. The Boston Celtics were trying to land West in a sign-and-trade deal with a three-year deal reportedly worth $27-29 million. In an interesting twist of fate, the Celtics' deal fell through due to former Pacer Jermaine O'Neal. Neither New Orleans nor J.O. wanted to team up and the Celtics couldn't entice a third team to take O'Neal's $6.2 million contract.
West will re-acquaint himself with former New Orleans point guard, Darren Collison. The two should greatly improve the Pacers pick and roll and pick and pop taking advantage of West's effective mid-range scoring ability.
The Pacers may not be done today, either. Still chatter about trying to land O.J. Mayo.
Check out what others have to say, after the jump.
Agent Lance Young confirms David West agrees with Indiana on two-year, $20 million deal: "David is ready to help them win a championship."
Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski
Great signing for Larry Bird, who has a deep, versatile frontline and huge grown up presence for locker room. West's a total pro and winner.
David West's agent: "David looks at the Pacers as a good young team with lot of potential."
Strong move by the Pacers getting David West. Smart, short-term deal for an 18-and-8 guy, a veteran, real pro. And the day is still young
And it begins to end. My favorite Hornets player is gone. @D_West30 thank you for giving us some great, great years! Good luck out there.
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Nothing but positive vibes coming our way.
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Pacers could end day Collison, Hill, Mayo, Granger, West, Hibbert, Hansborough. Nice group. Strong work by Morway and Bird
by Abe the Hoosier on Dec 11, 2011 3:45 PM EST reply actions
Sorry
But I don’t agree with that. I think Hansbrough has a higher ceiling, and gives us that physical mentality that can really help shape this team’s identity. Don’t get me wrong, I liked what McRoberts brought to the table, but he was a 4 that had a game more fit for a 3.
by Abe the Hoosier on Dec 11, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention
Hans is still on his rookie deal. Ideal energy guy to bring off the bench and lift your second unit. The Goon Squad will be out in full force this year!
by Abe the Hoosier on Dec 11, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I mean I think it's really not something that is going to make a huge difference going around
That said, I like McRobert’s skillset and efficiency offensively compared to Hansbrough. Psycho-T doesn’t rebound as well and shoots pretty low clip too. McRoberts might not be on his rookie contract, but it’s not like anyone is going to break the bank for him.
huge!
This time last year, what’s the chance Pacers win a duel for any free agent worth having?
Way to go Larry
by John Henry Wallace on Dec 11, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions
good pickup
I have always been in favor of signing West and the fact that we didn’t break the bank or go for 4 or 5 years is great.
and cheers to J.O.
He always has very nice things to say about us. Maybe he understood the situation and intentionally sabotaged the trade as a favor to us fans. :)
Getting Mayo would be overkill
In a good way. This team is becoming my favorite type. This could be a “whole is greater than the sum of its parts” type of team
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by SpaceCowboy1984 on Dec 11, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions
that's my favorite kind too, largely overachievers and harmonious role-players,
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by zherebyonki on Dec 11, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
It gets even better:
@WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
To be accurate, Boston had a sign-and-trade with New Orleans for David West ready to do. West wanted more money annually, took Pacers offer.
West actually CHOSE us over Boston. Yeah we offered slightly more, but to me, this totally confirms a change of public opinion when it comes to the Pacers and what kind of future we have!
by Abe the Hoosier on Dec 11, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions
It is always about the money
Always
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I bet to differ.
Especially when it comes to championship hungry veteran free agents. I’m not saying that’s the case with West, but it’s not always about the money. It’s ALMOST always about the money.
by Abe the Hoosier on Dec 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
true the aging, bench player veterans
tend to latch on to the best teams int he league to try and get a ring.
I should reword:
For high profile free agents, it is always abotu the money
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am happy right now
Keeping my fingers cross and hoping for more positive vibes for my team. Love the move Larry
by the pac on Dec 11, 2011 4:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I seem to recall the Celtics not fully guaranteeing the 3rd year for West. That combined with the more per year I think makes the Pacers offer a better deal for him.
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by SpaceCowboy1984 on Dec 11, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions
Good deal! Love the fact it's two years.
After days of being glued to my screen waiting for news I finally took a break and watched some football today. I log back on and this is what I read. Awesome! Maybe I should take some more breaks. Lol! Now I need to read up on this Mayo chatter.
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions
West Will Be HUGE
To our young core of Tyler, Pendargraff and Roy as well as a BIG scoring option along with Granger, Hill, Collison & George. NO MORE will Danny have to worry bout putting up 25 per game…He can focus on other aspects of the game and be more of the complete player he was a few yrs ago.
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+1
Danny started in this league by defending first, scoring when the opportunity arose. maybe he will go back to that.
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo
You nailed it there. Thats what I was trying say. LACE"M UP…
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think so
We don’t have many guys that can create their own shot. I think we were hoping to get that with Stephenson. mayo can be that guy if we get him via trade.
An ESPN article I just read says were still looking to grab Landry or AK47 despite this signing of West and potential trade for Mayo. Were going to be a deep team.
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Yeah`
I heard that too…that we were also looking to sign Landry as well and maybe looking at AK. Damn….Ole Larry is building this team strong and gutsy. I’d have Landry as a back up to West and Tyler spot mins at the 5 like he did last season.
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
no way
just flat out don’t believe it. West, Hansbrough, and Landry are all strictly 4s. And all basically different tiers of the same player. I like AK, but he’s not a 3 anymore and the 4 minutes are covered. If we get another big it’s a backup 5.
Sup Jello Shot?
I was wondering about
Another back up 5 in between Roy and Foster…Like Kwame Brown maybe.
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Pendergraph can play the 5
But with Jeff’s age and if Roy gets in foul trouble or sprains an ankle and misses a couple weeks, that’s a pretty thin C spot. I don’t think we NEED another 5, but it wouldn’t hurt. I’d be cool with Kwame.
Sup Jello Shot?
I think Dalembert would be the guy to target
Hansbrough brings the offensive inside presence off the bench, Dalmbert can provide defense. Good insurance if Foster’s back starts acting up.
too expensive I bet
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yeah that makes no sense to get Landry or AK
unless we are trading hans
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Oh I dunno about that one
Next season there’s going to be allot of good free agents even with Deron Williams likely staying with the Nets, Derrick Rose likely staying put in Chicago, CP3 going to LA (the trade sooner or later will be unblocked), and Howard likely being traded to NJ.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely love the signing
Outside of Nene, this is who I wanted. West’s scoring ability will be a huge plus, but more than that, I’m excited about his locker room presence. The Pacers have needed a battle-tested veteran for years, and now they’ve finally got one. Just hope he can stay healthy…
I’d also be thrilled with the Mayo trade. Nothing wrong with adding another young, capable player to the rotation, but if things don’t work out there, I’m excited to see Lance get a chance. By all accounts, Lance sounds like he’s ready to contribute.
Much like Space Cowboy said in a different thread, this is exactly the type of team I can get behind. The Miamis, New Yorks, LAs, etc can have the superstars and all of their drama. I’ll take a deep, gritty team like Reggie’s teams of old.
by Glenn A. on Dec 11, 2011 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well Put/Well Said Glenn
An all out gutsy griddy machine that poses threats from all around and mismatchs.
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Lance?
We are signing big time players and your worried about Lance??? I don’t get it. . . he will be with the New Jeff and Posey siting on Injury Reserve all season with a bad calf muscle. . .
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I don't know how...
…you interpreted that I’m worried about Lance’s minutes from my comments.
Just realized
West was the Hornets team captain, on a team with Chris Paul. Y’know how we’ve been saying we need a guy on the team that’s a leader?
Sup Jello Shot?
by IndyPacers on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Oh that's cool.
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by SpaceCowboy1984 on Dec 11, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Part of me
wonders deep down in my [irrational] heart if IU’s buzzer beater last night makes the Pacers a more attractive location for non-thug FA’s. sigh
What a game, what a shot!!!!
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
Thats means we dont want any Cinccy Bearcat players…Oh I mean Gansters.
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Larry Loves Lance
And West (and Posey) went to Xavier. Keep em on separate sides of the locker room!
Sup Jello Shot?
lol
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the Bearcats turned into a bunch of brawlers once Lance's calming influence left for the pros
by full sail on Dec 11, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It appears Lance was the mature player there.
WOW!!!!! LMAO
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else think
The David West trade with the Celtics was vetoed, because David Stern knew the Pacers would sign him?
And does anyone else look at David West being a with sadness comes greatness thing since the Ravens just snapped an 8 game losing streak to the Indianapolis Colts.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions
it wasn't vetoed
It never happened. NO couldn’t find a 3rd team to take JO’s contract. Go take your meds.
Sup Jello Shot?
Still I think something was up with that and David Stern not wanting the NBA to be a corporate culture
That’s why he won’t allow the CP3 trade to go through till the Nets ink Dwight Howard long-term.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
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by daledavis on Dec 11, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if it was vetoed everyone would have known
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Yeah I know
I forgot to read that JO didn’t want to go to the big easy.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
What a win for the pacers
Just think, right now, there’s many options we can go forward with.
I’d say the worst roster we come out with will be(which isn’t that bad):
PG: Collison/Hill/Price
SG: George/Rush/stephenson/Jones
SF: Granger/George/Rush/Jones
PF: West/Hansbrough/Pendergraph
C: Hibbert/Foster
The BEST case scenario would be(and is my dream team)
PG: Rondo/Hill/Price
SG: Mayo/George/stephenson/jones
SF: Granger/George/Jones
PF: West/Landry/Pendergraph
C: Hibbert/Foster/One more backup center
Either way, we’re atleast going to have a playoff team this year :)))
Some fans giving West hell on twitter for signing with us
Some moron posted(which West retweeted): “Have fun losing in indiana @D_West30 I hope u tear ur ACL again. #celticsforlife”
Lol. Hopefully this gives West a little motivation to prove the haters wrong
I was hoping for someone else in the center spot.
I just don’t know if Hibbert is there yet. It would have been nice to try for Marc Gasol that’s more of physical player.
I don’t understand why you guys never wanted a guy like marc gasol or nene to play with hibbert. it would give us a height/size advantage almost every game
by pacers4life on Dec 11, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
one, memphis is matching gasol’s max offer. and nene’s getting 15 million a year. that’s why.
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by IndyPacers on Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's all true
What I’m saying is everyone has been really concerned about the PF position which I agree needed some help but I also feel like we need just as much help in the center position. Someone who’s going to fight for the ball. Hibbert and Hansbrough are still developing and aren’t there yet.
I agree they should sign one more back-up center, but not because of hibbert and hansbrough being “undeveloped”. I would only do it because Foster has a bad back and is injury prone, especially late in his career. I would hate to see foster go out, leaving us to our back up centers being a 6’9 pendergraph, or a 6’9 hansbrough. It’d just be too small
Yeah
I was thinking a sign for Kwame Brown….had a descent season last year and should carry into this season as a back up to Hibs and Foster. Although Tyler did his part last year spotting minutes as Roy’s back up for certain situations but not for long periods of the time. I also hear this Pendargraff kid is very atheletic and banged w/ LaMarcus at Portland quit a bit.
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I love the idea of adding more talent like Mayo
But gosh, that makes for an insanely crowded backcourt.
by BenD on Dec 11, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not really crowded
DC, Hill, George, Mayo
with George also getting minutes at SF
Rush and Price suck and should be on the IR. Stephenson is unproven. Jones is “meh”
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I think that would put Mayo and George with the 2nd unit and would let Mayo Dominate the ball and do his scoring thing. . .
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Mayo can't play point guard
they experimented with it in Memphis more than once and it ended in completely failure. He sucked at it even in the Summer League
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Price isn't goign to see the light of day this year lord willing
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I don't get all the mayo talk
how is Mayo going to get any shots given all the other players who will need shots, Granger, West, Hibbert and Paul George. Of you realize, Mayo will only taken George’s minutes away right and he’s sure hell does not have George’s upside, so why are we going to mess with George’s developemnt?
by latrell spreewel on Dec 11, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions
I agree.
I already mentioned in another post that we would then have way too many combo guards with Hill, Mayo and Lance.
If we land Mayo, I’m not sure who’s going to get minutes. I’m sure Hill was hoping for a bigger role. PG needs more minutes and I was hoping Lance would get more minutes and have a breakout season like PG last year toward the end.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
And we still have Rush and D Jones.
Have to be more trades. Still have Posey to deal with.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
If the Pacers can get Mayo for McRoberts
It’s a no-brainer. Competition is a good thing. Rush is a non-factor. Jones is a good defender but is limited offensively. Stephenson is unproven. I can see Hill getting more of his minutes at the PG spot.
We need a scorer off the bench and Mayo is a scorer. As we don’t give up anything other than Josh, it’s a good move.
I agree it’s a no brainer. Still has to be a couple other moves in the making though.
Like where we are heading though.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
this seems like a Kevin Pritchard move
Pacers would basically be getting Mayo for nothing, since I doubt they intend to resign McRoberts. Pritchard did this with Portland, taking every opportunity to stack the team with talented young assets if the price was right, letting the coach figure out who gets playing time.
Mayo was a top pick in a loaded draft and is only 24. I think he could still become a star. If he does, this trade would be a steal. If he doesn’t, the Pacers don’t resign him this offseason.
Rush may be in that trade
Him Mike I’m Doneleaving for the Bucks with Gun Jack (AKA Stephen “Just Shoot Me” Jackson), TJ Ford, James Posey, and Brandon Rush were the only Pacers not at the teams OTA’s during the lockout. I don’t think Bird wants Rush back with the Pacers and there have been many reports saying that James Posey was told not to show up for training camp and the team is waiting to see what to do with him. Meaning that the only reason they will pay him and keep him off the active roster like they did that lazy bum Jamaal Tinsley is to meet the cap spending requirements to possibly make a big splash in free agency next season. Plus Rush being in that trade would make allot of sense.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
George's 2-3 versatility
Gives him minutes at both spots. George wouldn’t be affected as much as Rush and D.Jones, but I’m not crying a river over that.
This team may have bigger needs, but a pretty big need I see is for a player that can get his own shot and actually show up in the final four minutes of a playoff game, which Mayo can. He was deceptively key to the Grizzlies run in the playoffs, one that could’ve been Indiana’s since McBobs didn’t exactly get much done in the playoffs.
Minutes are a concern, but you’re also talking about a front office that wants to win with depth. That means lighter minute loads, which in this season, may be beneficiary. A young team that can stay fresh over this sprint could be huge in April and May, even added in that they won’t be traveling much in the second half of the year.
I’m on board with Mayo in a huge way.
Heh?
If you mean he can’t shoot, I agree with you. But he certainly THINKS he’s a shooter.
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If these other trades go through with Landry and Mayo
Who’s going and who’s staying?
i agree with an earlier post about getting an extra center.
that’s the reason why i wanted nene. he can play both pf and c. since we already got west, i think we should get either kwame or at least aaron gray
We need someone else.
The Pacers will have more depth now which will help with those three games in a row series. The players can either play shortened minutes or take a night off at some point. But we need another body at the center.
we have depth at positions 1-4
center is only 2 deep and those 2 can be a bit injury prone.
not officially.
nba.com still lists him as unsigned
Kwame
He’s a true big guy…7ft, 260 or something. At the least hold down the “D” with his size while Roy takes a break.
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Keeping my fingers crossed.
I do like the idea of signing kwame
Who would be interested in Brandon Rush
and what could we get back for him?
Fort Wayne Mad Ants
Maybe a used, worn out basketball
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seriously though
i think utah may be interested. i’d be happy with their picks next year
Maybe Portland.
Those poor guys are in need of some players.
talk about team that needs players,
denver. still waiting for their players to come back from china
I bet the Grizz would take him and McRob in a sign and trade for OJ Mayo
Especially if Marc Gasol goes to Houston.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
grizzlies are matching
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Clippers may be looking to get rid of Chris Kaman
If they retain Deandre Jordan. May be a viable back up C if he’s not too expensive. I’m not sure what his contract situation is.
makes 12 mill this year
last year of his contract
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with West now on board
Think we’re about 11 million under the cap. If we could shed a million here or there I’d like bringing him in if they just want to dump money to try and match DeAndre Jordan(’s terrible new contract), give them a 2nd rounder or Rush or Jones, something like that. If they actually wanted something worth anything forget it.
Sup Jello Shot?
Wouldn’t surprise me if the biggest reason they at matching Jordan’s terrible contract is because he is Griffin’s friend.
And because the NBA is stupid.
We could always Amnesty Posey as well to drop farther under the cap if we really want to. I doubt Simon is too keen on paying extra money though.
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I won't use the amnesty on posey.
I would use him as trade fodder before the deadline. Just a back-up plan in case things do not go as planned during the season
What about Joel Przybilla
I know he has knee issues but he wouldn’t have to be playing that many minutes. Don’t know how much he would cost though? Maybe if cheap enough a 1 year contract.
I like Pryzbilla
he and Foster just have to make an agreement to alternate their injuries so at least one of them is always healthy
West is less
Horrible waste of money. Tyler is developing and now his time is going to shrink more. No wonder the Pacers are losers.
Your a Prick man.
Its been awhile since us Pacer fans have anything to get high about and you drop this in here. Go pack your buddy;s lunch weirdo
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by rockguyinindy on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler is best suited coming off the bench.
He will still get plenty of minutes with what is shaping up to be a really good second unit!
by VERNON HOWELL on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
You joined this blog today just to make this comment?
Tyler will get plenty of playing time and will grow just fine in a role he is more suitable for.
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If you watched Pacers games
You’d know that Hansbrough is not an NBA starter, and probably will never be. He even seems to know this.
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Have to have some truth to it
Pacers aren’t usually involved in crazy rumors.
We tried to do it last year.
It makes sense both ways.
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Hope we get him.
He will probably start at 2 which puts Hill and George at back-up. Hill can also b-up collison and george b-up granger. That should give minutes to all 3 of them.
I think we'd still start George at 2 even though he's out of position.
Maybe not, but either way. Do it.
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Where do you get that?
I’m not even sure they brought him in with that intention. He’s not really a starting-caliber 2. Doesn’t have the size. Classic career backup, although an awesome one at times for SA.
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You keep saying that
with absolutely nothing backing that up.
George is the starter right now. It is his job to lose.
Hill was brought in to back up Collison and take spot minutes at SG. Not to start.
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Obviously
We need to start a post about whose going to start . . . I think Hill is goint to start . . .
So,
DC, Hill, Granger, West, Hib
2nd – Price, Mayo, PG, Hans, Foster
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No way Hill starts.
Paul Goerge will start and guard the best wing player.
by VERNON HOWELL on Dec 11, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why would they do that?
Price is so much worse than Hill. But starting Hill, you HAVE to play Price and he sucks.
Makes more since for the second unit to be Hill, Mayo, Stephenson/Jones, Hans, Foster. That puts our better players on the court longer
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Another element in the Pacers pursuit of OJ Mayo is that they also want to send Brandon Rush to Memphis w McRoberts, according to a source.
by VERNON HOWELL on Dec 11, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Rush I hope he goes too.
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This still doesn't leave much PT to spread around, even with Rush gone
I was never assuming Rush was going to play significant minutes anyway.
Hill and Collison at PG
George, Mayo and Hill at SG
Danny and George at SF
If George ends up the odd man out there I’m a little upset. I’d like to see him get 25+ mpg.
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Roughtly...
Granger- 33mins
Hill or Collison: 33mins (whoever is playing better)
Hill or Collison: 25 mins
George: 28
Mayo: 25
or something like that depend on match ups of course
Granger could get some minutes at the 4 if we go small for example
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Sounds good to me.
That would be a good problem to have.
by VERNON HOWELL on Dec 11, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
PG-Collison 33/Hill 15
SG-George 28/Hill 10/Mayo 10
SF-Granger 33/Mayo 15
So it puts George permanently out of position and Mayo out of position for 3/5ths of his minutes…but it does put more scorers and ball handlers on the court at once, I guess. Granger would be taking a 5 mpg minute cut, but I’m good with that, because I don’t think he needs to be running 38 mpg anyway, given that he’s no longer young, and had knee problems from the get-go.
Never have been a big Mayo fan, but if they can prove it will work without cutting George’s minutes, or without making Hill redundant, I’m okay with a 1-year experiment. Like it better than Crawford, anyway.
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I see Mayo as
someone who, if hes hot, leave him in, if not, sit his ass on the bench.
IF we get Mayo, I don’t see Hill playing off the ball much.
In fact, I realize I did the numbers wrong in my own head lol. But either way something like that.
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Somehow in the numers
George would be the primary back up to Granger as well. Don’t know how it works practically but it would be something like…
PG: Collison 33, Hill 15
SG: George 13, Mayo 25, Hill 10
SF: Granger 33, George 15
Something like that LOL. You get what I am trying to say right?
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Yes, thanks
Don’t hurt yourself, because you’re starting to make my face bleed with all of those numbers.
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Mayo was never all that good
the only reason he was able to get his numbers in his rookie season was because he jacked up shots like no tomorrow. Is he a good creator, I think so, but is he a winning player? I’m not so sure.
Also, can’t we trade for him during the middle of the season instead to see what our team actually needs, because I think the George Hill trade makes O. J. Mayo completely redundant.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 11, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
his second year was better than his rookie season
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just curious, dbcb
how many games would you say, O.J. Mayo would add to the current roster?
by latrell spreewel on Dec 11, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
If this deal goes through
I wish Josh the best of luck. He has been professional about the last couple of years.
Sounds very realistic
Mike I’m Doneleaving the Pacers for the Bucks with the Gun Jack (AKA Stephen “Just Shoot Me” Jackson), James Posey, TJ Ford, Solomon Jones, and Brandon Rush all did not show at the Pacers OTA’s during the lockout. And well Solomon Jones has not received any offers from the Pacers and pretty much knows it’s time for him to find a new team, Mike Doneleaving and TJ Ford have both found new teams for less money, and their have been many reports that the Pacers have told James Posey not to show up for training camp just like he did that Jamaal “The laziest player in NBA history” TInsley in 2008. Plus Rush in that trade would make allot of sense.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 11, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is Memphis making room to take on two players?
Memphis #Grizzlies waive center Jared Reiner. InsideHoops: http://shar.es/oUNDE
Reiner
Totally forgot about him. We were both South Dakota seniors in high school at the same time. His pro career went further than mine to say the least
and I was going to draft you for my fantasy team...
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by zherebyonki on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome.
Love the David West signing. This makes me feel much better.
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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 11, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions
Either way,
I am happy with our backcourt with or without mayo. I just wish we can add a back-up center. Shaq might want to come out of retirement to mentor Roy and play b-up to him and Jeff although I seriously doubt that.
What about Hilton Armstrong?
Not great stats but for a backup he might not be bad if the money was right.
Kwame will be 3rd string back-up
So unless Roy and foster get injured (heaven forbid), kwame will have to sit out most games. Besides, he had a decent season last year. Better than shaq’s.
Gray is not yet officially signed according to NBA.com.
How come I don't see anymore bird bashing?
Even kravitz seems to approve with what bird has done.
Going to be a nice NBA season for the pacers.
Maybe they will work on defense more.
O’brien was more interested in offense and who would shot the 3.
With what Bird has done recently..
Trading for DC, trading for Hill, drafting George, being patient this off season and getting West at a very fair deal…
How much of that past (the stupid trades and such) was Donnie and how much of it was Bird? Or maybe, it wasjust an impossible situation back then and there was no good way out of it?
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Joint decision in most case.
Although I’m a bird fan, I did not like the “jasikavecus” whatshisname signing.
That's a good question.
I think Bird may have felt he had to get rid of some of those guys knowing it would hurt the team in the short term. I don’t know that for sure, but why else do you bring in Murphy and Dunleavy with those inflated contracts; plus send Tinsley home? They were aware of locker room and the kind of guys they had. No doubt this was a painful transition, but it appears that we are on the rise again!
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by BigBlackRichard on Dec 11, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
isn't kevin pritchard now involved? or am I confused?
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by zherebyonki on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Pritchard is definitely an influence on the deals we’ve made this summer. But the collison and hill trades were before he joined our staff.
by hilliard on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The brawl made it impossible
Impossible situation, Bird was dealt a terrible hand.
by BenD on Dec 11, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like the Mayo because...
with the shorten season and all this “back to back to back” talk were going to have tired players so I’d be ok with Mayo. Still agree with needing a backup C. I have faith in Bird. I’m just ready to get this season started.
by PresidentDead69 on Dec 11, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions
disagree
there has been heavy scrutiny into the size of lineup in relation to effectiveness, the studies show that the most effective lineups uses a 8-9 player rotation in a normal NBA season where Players can really get into the flow of the Game. The Pacers are already a very deep team, with or without Mayo, adding him does not really pushes over the top since you have to evaluate how much more effective is he than the players he’s taking minutes from. Going through Hoopdata, his advance stats for PER and win share are not very flattering or at least show that he’s a difference maker. We already have 14 guys under contract albeit Price’s contract is non gauranteed. We still need someone to backup the center position in case of injuries to Hibbert or Foster. Mayo does not add to an glaring need.
I think we should see how the team plays for a stretch first and then evaluate our needs then, there’s no point in rushing a trade right now.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
The teams with the most depth will have a leg up over other teams.
It’s going to be a short, long season. Lots of games in a week. Coaches will have to be careful of the minutes. Thats why I think everyone will see time on the floor.
Darko!!!
Minny has a plethra of C/PF -Love, Beasley, Darko, B. Miller, Pekovic, Tolliver, Randolph and no starters or depth at SG. I like what some are suggesting with a K. Brown signing (though we have some competition) Kaman (don’t see Clippers making this trade as they are under the cap even with Jordan signing and comes off the books next year for free big free agent class) Dalembert (too expensive) Darko averaged 2 blocks in 24 min last year, average offense, is a big body with an okay salary( 3/15mil) I propose Rush, Jones, and 2nd rounder. If we get Mayo throw Stephenson into the deal and scratch the 2nd rounder
by northeast nightmare on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions
I like that idea, Darko has always been an underrated defender
though Minny Darko might be their starting center, so they might not give him up so easily unless Kahn has another melt down, otherwise I don’t see Kahn helping us out.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Darko sucks, he's the biggest bust of the decade second only to Kwame Brown
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
calm down
he might be a draft bust but he’s not useless as a backup center, we’re not sugguesting that he take over the starting position.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 12, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
WOW this is great news
DWest is in the house. Great job by Bird and Morway! Hey DC has connections with both West at New Orleans (pick and roll baby) and Pendergraph his High School buddy. Let the good times roll.
This is what I don't like about bringing in Mayo
Even with West, the Pacers likely can’t really compete with the likes of Miami, Chicago, New York (with Chandler), Boston (debatable), and Atlanta (although they should, but always lose to the Hawks for some reason).
I’ve said this a number of times, but, as i see it, Paul George is the only player with the upside to really blossom into an elite player and get the Pacers to a point where they can legitimately compete with those other teams. We know what Hill is, what Mayo is, Collison, etc. But PG has the physical tools to be on another level than those guys, and needs to be given a chance to play heavy minutes. Having Mayo will just muddy the waters in terms of PT, and I personally want every available minute to go to Paul George.
by BenD on Dec 11, 2011 11:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe I'm alone
But I don’t see holding George for five or so minutes a night as stunting his growth. He’ll get the appropriate minutes for the level he’s playing and that will cut into everyone else’s time more than it will cut into George. This isn’t Obie who’s going to let George get six points in two minutes and bench him the rest of the game.
Also forgive me for not jumping on the New York hype train until I see what kind of impact Chandler has. Give me two players on that team you’re legitimately concerned about besides the obvious two. Sure Toney Douglas can get stupid hot, but odds are he’ll just be stupid. If Danny plays with Melo and not below Melo, I see no reason to believe New York is a better team than Indiana, Mayo or not.
you are not alone
the knicks haven’t proven anything yet, yes chandler is a nice defensive center, but he’s a zero on offense. Plus Amare’s knee last year by the end of the season should have knicks fans holding their breathe and they have zero depth. Boston has not improved at all in terms of roster moves, they’ve only gotten older. The sixers didn’t improve, The bucks we’ll have to see. The one team that might move up quickly is the New Jersey Nets if they do in fact overpay for Nene.
George should utilize his post up move or at least keep improving in that regard. I hope Paulwatches tapes on Jordan and Kobe, because those guys have perfected the midrange turn around, with his size and length, a turn around midrange for Paul is almost unblockable, plus he’s already pretty efficient with his midrange to begin with. Of course he definitely has to improve his handle.
by latrell spreewel on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
+2
The Knicks just let go of their leader AT POINT, and have 2 superstars and 1 guy with a ring. To me, the Knicks are the same team, except the leader is in a different position. The Pacers became better than about 3 teams last night. Knicks, Celtics, and Magic, have not done anything to improve. I’d even throw the Hawks in there as well. I think we can grab the 3rd seed, and really that’s not unrealistic. Also have to see where Dwight goes as that will affect the standings. If he goes out to LA, then the Pacers can wreak havoc as having a possible dominating center. Something like that can do wonders for a player’s confidence.
Let's try to improve on last year and see what happens
These guys have to gel quickly, just like other teams. I think it’s important to get off to a good start in the 1st 10 games with the shortened season. I think the #3 seed is probably a reach, but we can dream.
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by rintintinsoldier on Dec 14, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
West should help a little.
I personally think West is over rated, but he should help out a little. It’s only a 2 year contract.
i think we will be just fine
Our team is young and will only continue to get better. With these additions we will only get better. Don’t forget how hard we pushed the bulls in the first round. A few calls didn’t go our way costing us. With that said this is not the same team with our additions and now experienced players. Atlanta is a team which I don’t see getting any better, the celtics are old, orlando is falling apart, the bulls still only has rose, and the heat are still trying to find pieces to the puzzle. We now have a good starting unit and a good bench. We are just a spark plug and a defensive banger away from shocking the world!! We have a lot of potential on this team and I only expect things to get better!!
by the pac on Dec 12, 2011 12:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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