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10 Blue-and-Gold Things I'd Like to See In 2011-2012 (Part 2)

[From them Fan Posts, Glenn A. is back with part two of the things he'd like to see during the Pacers 2011-12 season. -TL]

Let's try some reverse psychology here. My part-one fanpost was published when optimism was at an all-time high regarding the end of the lockout. The positive press inspired in me a number of ideas about what I'd like to see during the season. Optimism was quelled when yet another breakdown occurred in discussions. My fanpost felt a little rushed. A little naive.

Now, lockout dealings seem as fuzzy as ever, so let's see if the reverse can be true. Maybe part two will come at a time of unexpected compromise. I'm not holding my breath, but as these lists represent...we can always dream. Part two after the jump...

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5. A Pacers Display on the Modern-Day Version of NBA on NBC – I know, I know. The NBA schedule is already out, and Indy didn’t make the TNT cut. One positive of the lockout, however, is that if play is to resume, then scheduling will have to be reconsidered. ESPN games are nice, but Thursday nights are the glitz of the NBA regular season. There’s a sense of team validation when Ernie, Chuck, and Kenny gather to breakdown your team’s game/roster. The voices of Kevin Harlan and Marv Albert are sublime, and it’s basketball destiny for them to one day dramatize Hoosier state exploits again. The demands are few. A Thursday night home game isn’t required after the way Indy fans allowed Conseco to be overridden with Red and Black in April. Harlan nor Albert can make it? Fine, we’ll take Dick Stockton and his possible Dementia diagnosis instead. The point is, the Pacers are ready to consistently return to a relevant basketball stage, even if it’s for only one Thursday night; even if it’s a preconceived bloodbath in South Beach, Boston, or L.A. The ghost of NBA past demands it. Reggie Miller lore demands it. More importantly, an improving young team coming off a competitive playoff matchup demands it

4.  "Born Ready" ValidatonLance Stephenson’s high-school accolades were often overshined by his sketchy rep off the court. His one-year stay at Cincy was clouded by alleged on-court selfishness. His rookie year in Indy provided a return to the police blotter, and a playing-time freeze because of his role in polluting the Pacers’ locker room. All the while, masses of Lance followers are wondering what exactly he was born so ready to do. Lucky Lance, charges associated with the staircase incident were dropped. Then came the promise to stay in Indy during the offseason; a promise that Lance has kept. Is this man-child personality maturing right before our eyes? I sure hope so. Lance can dazzle on the court with pinpoint passes, and adept finishes at the rim. He can also baffle with wayward jumpshots, and overall self-centered play. Such is the life of a talented, but inexperienced player trying to make his mark. The simple reality is that if Lance can learn to appropriately hone his basketball skills, he could become the offensive architect behind second-unit splendor. We’re ready to see you make the maturity jump on-and-off the court, Lance. Are you ready?

3. Darren Collison Channeling His Inner Blue and Gold…His UCLA Blue and Gold That Is – It’s hard to fathom an NBA draft maven once said this when projecting Darren Collison in the NBA, "He is a pesky, physical defender, who gets right in his man’s grill and denies space extremely well…" Say what? Never seen that DC in the house of Conseco. In fact, I don’t think anyone’s seen that DC anywhere at the NBA level. However, the projection was not only logical, but merited back then. The UCLA version of DC was a defensive hound who played the role of defensive catalyst for Ben Howland and his UCLA teammates. Maybe it was disenchantment with his overall role in OB’s outdated system. Maybe it was the ticky-tack, offensive-driven rules of the NBA. Maybe it was simply his pint-sized frame. Whatever the reason, DC, as a Pacer, was a defensive tragedy in 2010-2011. Make a date with Mr. Howland. Bulk up. Mercilessly practice going over, under, and plowing through screens. Do whatever it takes, DC. Find your defensive edge, because if you don’t, an Indiana native is waiting for the call to resolve your defensive deficiencies.

2. Some Saintly Neighbor Innovation – Gotta feel bad for Frank Vogel. The Jim O’Brien lifer was asked to replace his mentor midseason, at a point when the Pacers’ pulse meter was excruciatingly low. With basically no practice time, the first-time-head coach was tasked with the responsibility of playing the young guys while simultaneously changing the team’s culture, and challenging for a playoff spot. The message: "Do all that, and then maybe…MAYBE we’ll hire you full time, young buck." Well…we know what happened from there. The playoff performance proved to be Vogel’s shoe-in for the permanent job, right? Not exactly. As Jamaal Tinsley and TJ Ford can attest, Larry Bird is a waiter. And "wait" was the head-coach-for-hire theme during the offseason. Eventually, Saintly Neighbor Vogel netted the job along with some hand-picked, highly-regarded assistants.

Finally, all was perfect in Vogel world, no? Well…it wouldn’t be Vogel world without another dose of wait-like adversity. The lockout’s doom and gloom reared its ugly head, and once again, Indy’s coach was disallowed from putting his full stamp on the team. In Vogel’s limited time, we’ve seen impressive bravado, quirky, yet effective motivational tactics, a good eye for fellow coaching talent, and some top-notch-play design coming out of timeouts. We’ve also seen wild spells of winning and losing streaks and locker-room turmoil. Call him a mixed bag at this point, but something tells me: the uncanny passion, the motivational ploys, the out-of-timeout marksmanship, the focus on offense simplification/execution, the assistant coaches’ recruitment and triumph; all of it points to a future heady tactician. And, as Reggie so thoroughly demonstrated in game four of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1998, there’s nothing quite like perfect execution of Blue-and-Gold innovation.         

1. Operation Lockdown: GH and PG Edition – One’s a 6’2 combo guard with a pterodactyl-lite wingspan, who apprenticed under a modern-day, defensive savant (Can you say Greg Poppovich?). The other is a 6’8, 21-year old who put his sizzling athletic talents on display while mirroring D-Rose’s every offensive move in the playoffs. Together, they potentially comprise the NBA’s most lethal defensive backcourt combination. Fourth-quarter suffocation will be their game. Operation Lockdown their name. Factor in the expected offensive upgrade on the part of P. George, the already-established-offensive sparkplugging of G. Hill, and you wonder if there’s a place for the likes of Collison and Rush to meaningfully contribute. Especially at closing time.

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I’m really looking foward to seeing George Hill in a Pacers uniform. I believe he will bring a leadership and stability to the floor that’s been missing for a while now. I’m also excited to see how Frank Vogel and his new staff gel together with a whole JOB-less season! It’s going to be interesting to see how Paul George has developed over this long off season. I also think Tyler Hansbrough is going to be better all around this year.

by gut19 on Nov 8, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Looking forward to GH. Glad we were able to get him over Mayo. While Mayo has the higher upside, Hill isn’t a slouch, plus he plays defense and has great character.

I’m ready to see a full season of Lance. Hope he can lose the ego and off court issues, and just let his court play do all the talking.

Questions that I have?

Ready to see more of Paul. Will he start at SG? Or come off the bench as SF?? I’d love to give him a shot at SG.

How will Lance and Hill be used? Will both be used primarily at the point? I still see Lance as a SG, but play point to create some mismatches.

How will the Pacers address the PF spot? I’m fine with just filling in McBob and Hans and hopefully luck out in the draft. No reason to over pay through FA. I am only interested in Nene, but so will a bunch of other teams.

What can we expect out of our new beloved coach? Does he preach defense? Offense? Will we crash the boards? Will we run the triangle every once in awhile, kinda like a wild cat offense in the NFL? Push the tempo?

I really hope a deal is made, cause I haven’t been excited about a Pacers squad for some time.

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

I am certain Paul will start as a 2 and back up Danny at times. And George will come off the bench at the 1 and the 2 as a shotmaker and his “D” As for Vogel, he will be mainly defense minded and with this group they WILL crash boards and eat glass. They were a top 5 rebounding team last yr. I saw them do something in the Bulls series that will carry over to this season and that is pressure the living hell out of ball at that half court trap. They have PG/DG or GH/PG or Jones/Hill etc….That was incredible to see and thats what pumps me up for this season. I am kinda 50/50 on the power forward spot. They should resign McRoberts and maybe even start him and Tyler bring the heat off the bench. With the rumoured added muscle gain from McRoberts he can even play a little back up to Roy. But adding another BIG is crucial, someone to take charges and do the grind and grunt work like Foster….Maybe Chucky Hayes? Although a bit undersized at 6-7, 250lbs, but has that enormous wingspan……Much like a Charles Barkeley w/o the 25pts of course but still same make up as Barkely.
I think our guards/wing players will benefit from Shaw and Boylen will make instant impact on the bigs like he did in Houston. The triangle???? Sounds cool man! Twist up the Offense a little and confuse opposing “D’s” As for Lance, man I am sooooo hoping he tears it up and has a huge, HUGE impact this season. I am sure he will replace Rush’s playing time if he can keep his ego in check. And of course Roy has to play Big Boy Ball this year. Love to see him avg 15 and 8 with 2-3 blocks per game.
Here’s hoping the season will start ASAP before many of us go berserk.
GO PACERS!!!!

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by rockguyinindy on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Even Reggie Evans

I’d take him for a cheap price b/c of his toughness any day. Labeled as one of the dirtiest players in the NBA. Still, I would take him for 12-15 mins a game to back up Tyler/Josh/Roy.
Why not!!!

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by rockguyinindy on Nov 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the Operation Lockdown bit.

Made me smile and laugh thinking about the two of them giving the opposing team hell at the end of the game. Again, I agree with all your points on the various topics. I long to see Lance establish himself. To see DC play defense, even a little would leave me giggling like a school-girl… well, maybe not. I wasn’t a Vogel supporter before he was hired, but as time has gone by he has become more appealing.

There is just one other thing I would like to see is the Pacers getting new uniforms, preferably ones that are more old school.

I like the simple look, it just appeals to me. Also, these look better on 2k11.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 9, 2011 4:31 AM EST reply actions  

love those. definitely bring back the pinstripes.

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Nov 9, 2011 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm apparently in the extreme minority

But I very much disliked the uniforms. The home whites were OK, but the blue with the yellow pinstripes were ugly as all hell and the yellow ones, oh god the yellow ones.

One of the guys over at Pacers Digest mocked up an updated version of the FloJo’s a few months ago that were just glorious. Modernize those a bit (lose the dropshadows) and I’d have no problem at all with them being our uniform for all of eternity.

Sup Jello Shot?

by IndyPacers on Nov 9, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like the pinstripes either.

I suppose you’re talking about this. I like the blue away jerseys. The jersey’s all share a similarity to the uniforms from the 90’s.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 9, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

what? these Unis are so plain, they look way too retro

The Pacers had their best seasons in those pinstripes, so there’s always a bit of nostalgia for them.

by latrell spreewel on Nov 9, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Which uniforms are you referring to? (just for reference)

The pinstripes are from the best period in our history, but my personal aesthetic sense finds them ugly.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 10, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Pinstripes rule!

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Nov 10, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there may be some misunderstanding.

I don’t like the pinstripes, I just agreed that they have some good history behind them.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 11, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry for the confusion,

I’m definitely for the pinstripes. The one’s you posted are just waaayyyyyy too retro, I’m gonna be honest, they look like something from the 60’s. I like old school to some extant, but the 60’s are ancient history, you know what i’m saying?
 Maybe we could do a poll on which Uni’s are the most popular.

by latrell spreewel on Nov 10, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

My girlfriend has that uni

Or at least one like it — the Ron Artest road jersey #93.

by Manfred James on Nov 10, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

To each their own.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 11, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, well

EVERYBODY didn’t come down on Ron-Ron for starting the brawl — just all the bobblehead sportswriters who spout the same refried platitudes to keep from getting into hot water with the rest of the media.

by Manfred James on Nov 11, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay?

I suppose I was being too vague. When I said “To each their own.” It was a reply meant for Latrell Spreewel regarding his opinion on uniforms.

Even so, what Ron Artest did was pretty stupid. He may not be the only reason it went down, but he had a big part in it. Also, even after the fact we kept him on the team and were willing to give him a chance to redeem himself, he rewarded that faith with request to take a break from basketball to work on the production of a rap album. He was subsequently placed on the inactive list and traded.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 11, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't disagree with your post-brawl analysis

Artest was, I believe, having bipolar issues, so some of his behavior is understandable if not forgivable. We’re better off rid of him, I think.

by Manfred James on Nov 11, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Basic

Overall, when it comes to uniforms, I prefer a basic look. Basic styles usually don’t expire. When you start doing too much with the uniform, that’s when you run the risk of including fashion fads that aren’t lasting. That’s what I felt happened with the pinstripe unis. They were designed to fit a fashion timeframe. I like these you’ve provided. The only thing I’d change is the size of “arm” P on the shorts, or eliminate it entirely. That thing is massive.

by Glenn A. on Nov 9, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a nice distraction from the mess they're in right now

I love operation lockout but how many minutes will the two georges have together at the same time since one’s project at starter and the other off the bench. Hill is good at playing off the ball, but he’s not a true point guard and say what you will of DC, he’s still has the best point guard qualities of anyone on the team.
I do have to say that my first priority would be to see if Hibbert can make the jump, if he could take his game to the next level, the Pacers are legitimate threat in the east and will give lots of teams match up problems all over the floor. Right now, there’s Dwight howard then then there’s everybody else, Roy will never be Dwight but he can be his own player, and given his size and skill sets he can be a second or a primary weapon next to Danny Granger, if George and DC improve at a positive rate, gentlemen, we might have ourselves a fantastic 4 of our own in Indy, not to mention our depth on the bench. Few teams can say this in the east.

by latrell spreewel on Nov 9, 2011 7:30 AM EST reply actions  

There was a little fan gathering outside Lucas Oil last week

El Pacero posted a bit of video on Facebook. Guess who the only player to show up was. Lance. I’ll probably never stop worrying about Lance running into trouble, but he’s impressed me this offseason.

Sup Jello Shot?

by IndyPacers on Nov 9, 2011 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

He's impressed me too...

…but every now and then I’ll read his twitter feed, and it often makes me shake my head. Not in a good way, either. He still has a lot of maturing to do, but I appreciate the effort he’s putting into becoming more professional.

by Glenn A. on Nov 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Motto

I think the most important thing you said was in your first post. It seems to me that since The Brawl and the restructuring Bird’s done over the last decade, the team has been timid. That simply can’t happen anymore. These Pacers are young and cocky enough to get in touch with their heritage and live by the motto “Tonight there is going to be a game and fight. We’re going to win one of them.”

by TrueBlue87 on Nov 9, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

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