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Anthony Randolph To Pacers Deal Denied By Donnie Walsh
by indycrr on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT
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Print[From the FanPosts, thanks indycrr for posting the latest trade rumor involving the Pacers. Don't think it will be the last either. -TL]
Frank Isola reports on a rumored three-team deal out of New York that included athletic big man, Anthony Randolph going to the Indiana Pacers for a first round pick.
Discuss... I personally would have loved this trade for us. If true it does show that Bird and Co are actively looking for a way to get a young athletic PF. I wonder what it would take to sweeten the pot for NY enough to do this. I don't suppose Lance Stephenson would do it. This kind of confirms my suspicions that since things were very quiret that something was probably in the works.
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I would love this
But I don’t know about sweetening the pot with Stephenson. I really think (recent troubles aside) that he was a steal in the second round. Throw in Rush.
I missed the denied part at first glancew and started prematurly dancing
by dbcb on Sep 3, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Knicks really want Rudy
Some how some way this could still happen ….
The collison rumor took 3 months to come true …
other than the fact the knicks would be left really light up front
(NO BACK UP FOR RABBI STAUDAMIRE) …
I would’ve loved it …. Fair deal in my eyes … I could not see us sweetening this deal anymore though a 1st rounder is a lot in this league
If they're worried about their frontcourt
We could toss in one of our young bigs (Rolle or McRoberts). I’d love it.
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I could see something happening.
Walsh may love him but Randolph is stuck behind Stoudamire. I do not see a team that plays these guys at the 4 and 5 having the frontcourt defense and rebounding to get by.
I see much more of a love affair from the fans
The Knicks did not invest much to land Randolph. You guys will all be salty as hell once he gets moved. He can’t play with Amar(apostrophe)e and Dani.
Amare
Randolph
Dani
Mason/Walker
Felton
That lineup is meh. If I were you guys, I’d be building massive amounts of assets getting ready for a CP3 and Melo deals. I would say screw Rudy, give me the Indy 1st rounder and something else. I’d then try to move Chandler for something that can give me a chance to land Melo.
actually
we won’t move AR for anything….we are gonna let him develop along with our young team..Donnie loves AR just as much as the fans do….The only way we trade him is if Melo or CP3 is at the other end of that deal..and actually that lineup is a matchup nightmare for other teams
by hopelessknickfan on Sep 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
knickfan..
i think you are severely overestimating the ability of that lineup… besides Amare these guys all look pretty average. BTW, speaking of matchup nightmare, who’s going to grab rebounds?
+1
Oh wait you didn’t hear, they will shoot 70% and hole other teams to 10% from the field, so why rebound, they are matchup nightmares. I mean Roy would be able to get 10+ boards against them.
in any event
our team is still better than the pacers..
by hopelessknickfan on Sep 5, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Your team has also shot all its flexibility for the forseeable future...
Have fun winning 45 games the next two years and then paying Amare $70 million over the next four after he hurts his knee again. Fact of life: when your third best guy is either Ray Felton or Gallinari you’re probably not going all that far as a team.
Right,
It’s unreal. Once they get spurned by Melo, just like LeBron, the Knicks will be back to square one which is overpaying for players that are not very good. They are the Mets of the NBA. To top it off, they probably have the second worst owner in all of sports and players know this, so they want nothing to do with him.
The Pacers will enjoy our cap, steadily building through the draft and frugal management, and kick the Knicks ass on our way to the playoffs, while you sit and overvalue your teams “upside.” (Granted Dino and Randolph have upside)
Felton/Amar(apostrophe)e are overpaid, killing the flexibility you desperately wanted to land LeBron. You basically threw away a few years to get NOTHING.
Don't wanna nitpick, but...
Who is our third best player? Collison? Roy? a rookie? I suppose Rush could be a possibility. That being said, I don’t really think the Knicks will be that good either, I think they can make the playoffs, as can we, but they’ll probably hover around .500 all year. I’m not a fan of Amare, think he is overrated. It’ll be interesting to see how good he is without Nash, who is hands down the best PG in the league.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 6, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably Roy at this point
The knicks are definitely better right now but, as you said, they’re not an elite contender, nor are they able to do much to improve in the coming years. Bottom line, I’d rather be in the Pacers’ current situation.
actuallly...
we have one next year. whoops.
not sure what you all mean about us not having financial flexibility.
we will be able to sign a max contract this offseason or next if we wanted.
AR, Danillo are all on their rookie deals.
I’m not saying we’re a contender. but we’re a heck of alot closer than the Pacers. and no, im not trying to start a fight. just saying what i think are facts.
Is it wise to trade a likely lotto pick at this point?
Randolph is only under club control for 2 more years. This is still only a 35ish win team. Seems stupid to mortgage the future at this point.
If Bird liked Randolph you should have taken him over Brandon Rush in the first place.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
well hopefully....
if things go well, this would only be a mid-round pick in the #15 range.
Bird could have also picked Collison over Hanbrough, in hindsight a much better pick
lets look at things that will make our team better and not at past mistakes
its pretty cool to see what Indian fans think of this trade proposal.
You guys seem to think its legit. I’m prety sure Donnie Walsh hung up the phone when he heard this propsal.
I think your teams record is funny ... get out if your just going to patronize
The knicks make bad trades thats why we think its legit …. and the fact donnie denied it makes it even more legit ….
I’m hanging up my phone
its just
an unrealistic proposal. might as well ask for brandon roy for brandon rush.
rudy for randolph ?
or randolph for a first ?
sounds like wishful thinking from a blazers or pacers fan.
Randolph for a first is anything but wishful thinking.
The Pacers could be drafting in the top 5 next year. Randolph is not worth that, and there are not many higher on the guy. Once again, a case of NY over valuing a player. This is why Yankee baseball cards are always overpriced haha
lol
ya, i guess it will be a pretty high pick. didnt think of that part.
but i have a feeling you guys will be a fringe playoff team.
and also, randolph is liek tailor made for D’antonis offense.
if only he had a reliable 3pt shot. hed be the perfect fit for mike.
Meh
I think we are not getting the full story. I agree that its slim the Knicks move AR for just Rudy, however Randolph is block, Rudy plays the type of ball that your coach loves, and adding something small to this deal, in favor of the Knicks, could get it done. No way NYK was keeping David Lee, so I assume they were just happy to get something for him. It’s not like the Knicks made a HUGE investment to land Randolph.
Wouldn’t there have to be some players from the Pacers thrown in to make the deal work? We already have 16 players on a 15 man roster.
We’ll see about Born Ready. I’m not doubting that he’ll be cut if he’s found guilty, but I’m not totally buying that girl’s story, mainly the part where he slammed her head into the concrete after throwing her downstairs yet she was walking around the next day. I think if that were true she would have an extended hospital stay, but thats besides the point. Even with him cut the proposed trade would put us at 16 so it wouldn’t work. And Miami being at 18 doesn’t mean anything. At this point the Pacers can’t afford to cut someone and pay them millions not to play. That would be the worst PR move of all after the unpopular CIB deal that morons call a bailout.
Its also possible Rolle doesn't get signed
I could see him playing a year in the DLeague if we don’t sign him. He is not that high of demand.
TJ Ford has been rumored to be cut ever since the Collison trade and him not accepting a buyout. I think Solo would be most likely if they think Rolle has more potential, but either way anyone getting cut who didn’t get arrested is going to look bad for the Pacers.
If we could get our mitts on Randolph
McBob is bye-bye, and Rolle goes to D-Leauge… them’s is my predictions.
I hope your right
Lance’s situation o far is the most disappointing thing of this off-season …
I hope your right 18 year olds trying top be adults … can be sketchy
it sure has been quite …… hope that means this situation is going to go away w/ him being a pacer and foudn innocent
We need to just make a move for Rudy without including a first rounder
I believe this could be done. I would be willing to take on a couple years of Andre Millers contract. Portland probably only has Miller’s deal that they would be willing to move. CHA still wants a PG, so maybe a 3way including them with Dampier’s unguarantee deal could get it done.
Then we could proceed to flip Rudy to the Knicks. I’d even throw Tyler, or just about anyone, in with Rudy to get Randolph.
If we really do make a move like this one, the first rounder needs to be protected for a few years. I get the feeling that one injury could make us a team that drafts in the top 5 even if with have Anthony Randolph. With that said, maybe in 2 years we will be on more stable ground and giving up a pick would not kill us.
Josh Smith is a name that has been brought up a bunch, but Randolph is a perfect fit here. If we can get this done, it needs to happen.
I really don't know much about Randlph
Other than him being one of those young uber prospect type guys and that GS people didn’t really rave about him upon leaving. Just glad to hear the talk from Bird and Morway about still pursuing trades wasn’t just talk.
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No thanks
Love Randolph’s potential/physical tools, not much else. He has a surly attitude, and he’s already shown a habit of missing games with nagging/serious injuries. I’m certainly not saying the Pacers have better options right now at PF, but if they stay patient they very well could have better options through FA or the draft next offseason. I doubt Larry stays patient, though. He wants to make a move right now to get this thing going again.
Years of mediocrity, expiring contracts, a likely lockout for at least part of next season, positive momentum from the Collison trade; All of that creates a sense of urgency to do something now.
I understand where you're coming from, but at this point I think the team need to swing for the fences.
Even if the current squad maxes out their talent the ceiling is probably Eastern Conference Semifinals. Randolph may turn out to be nothing, but he’s shown glimpses of being special. If he could actually realize that, the Pacers might actually be a force.
Surly attitude is required to win in the NBA
If polled guarenteed Dale Davis is a top 3 all time Indiana Pacer (not including aba) and he was one of the surliest dude in the leauge for a year or 2 ….
Pacer fans have bcome such pussies they probably would balk at a trade for a Dale Davis type player now-a-days ….
Dale had a surly attitude on the court. Randolph has a surly attitude with coaches, management, etc. Granted, he was dealing with the Warriors, and they’re a mess of an organization, but it’s certainly not a good track record to have as young player. He already has a little bit of the “entitlement” card in him, and I don’t think it’s something that should be completely ignored. Would I hate Randolph coming over? No. I’d give him a chance as a fan. But there are some warning signs, including his propensity for injuries which you all conveniently ignored.
Overall, I like Randolph, but I like a potential top-5 to top-10 pick more.
Its a good risk
given that its a protected first rounder, so if someone gets hurt and we are drafting 1-15th in year 1, 1-10 in year 2, or unprotected in year 3, we don’t have to move it.
Foster
Jeff is the only guy on our roster Donnie would probably want … because he drafted him and can still remember him
This makes me wish Isiah Thomas was still running the Knicks …..
If NY wanted to move Randolph
You’d think they’d have more interest in our first for him than Fernandez and wouldn’t even involve Portland. If they want to land Melo a top 15ish pick added to whatever package would be more enticing to Denver. Not that I’d encourage doing that from our side, like I said before, don’t know enough about Randolph, jus’sayin.
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Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry to the Pacers. TJ Ford, Jeff Foster, and Rudy Fernandez to New York. Portland get our 1st rounder.
That sounds reasonably fair
even though I hate Eddy Curry, he is expiring and Anthony Randolph seems like he’d be a really good fit here. He was stuck in GS with Don Nelson (notorious rookie hater) jerking his minutes around and Indiana would be a much better environment for him and I think he’d thrive here. If this trade did happen, we wouldn’t have that high of a pick next year
I've seen him play a couple times...
…but IDK if this is the guy I’d like to have. We have all kinds of finess players already. Let’s get a big man who’s a dog and likes to bang, mix it up, rebound, and enforce. Someone in the mold of Perkins in Boston. We have scorers, we need that Dale Davis kinda mentality and play on the court…just my humble opinion.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
I'd rather have side show bob from Cleveland.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
I'd take that contract
For our expiring deals if possible.
We really lack a rugged defender/rebounder type on this roster.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
That's a horrible idea
Varejao isn’t worth close to that much money for being a good role player, Maxiell would be a much better value
Wasn't aware of contract details...
…I guess I was trying to think of the kinda player I’d like to see down low to compliment what Roy does….kind of a garbage collecting player, rebounder, and defender that gets on other teams nerves.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
by Wise Master on Sep 3, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dale Davis'
Can’t exist in today’s NBA, too wussy and protects stars. Don’t forget he could put the rock in the cup at the rim. He was more than just a banger..
+1. I always loved Dales game.
Today’s NBA is kinda wussified, but there are a few guys out there who get some lee way in that enforcing department.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
by Wise Master on Sep 4, 2010 12:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree we need an enforcer
If given the GM roll of the Pacers, one of my first deals would be landing Jason Maxiell to be an enforcer and first big off the bench. He’s only making 5mill per and he brings much more to the table. But I do really like your idea of our frontcourt getting tougher. I also think Psycho T will bring some toughness that may shock some.
With that said, we would still need a starter even if we had Max or Varejao (who I think is way overpaid and wouldn’t touch with a 20ft pole) and I really like Randolph’s game. I know you may have seen him, but I imagine him being a real contributor this season and for a while moving forward. I do not feel Randolph is a scorer and would bring the mentality and intangibles that you want. He plays with tons of heart and though he gets out of control at times and a bit emotional, he is like the energizer bunny on the court and just keeps going at all times. He does block some shots and though he is slight of frame, can enforce with his length and athleticism. If we want him, we better deal for him before the year, because his value is about to sky rocket in a few months, IMHO.
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