What Could Pacers Offer For Xavier Henry?
by Tom Lewis on Aug 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
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PrintHow about a little trade speculation on a slow summer day?
Ronald Tillery reports today that the Memphis Grizzlies have fielded several trade offers for Xavier Henry, the team's still-unsigned-for-reasons-only-known-to-the-Grizz first round pick. With the way the draft unfolded, Henry was my personal choice for the Pacers over Paul George.
Based on my best amateur analysis, I liked both players but George's upside seemed to tilt toward the offensive end and Henry's toward the defensive end. The Pacers' roster at the time tilted to the offensive side of the ball...severely. Let's just say, if the roster was floating on the ocean, it would capsize from all of that weight on the offensive side of the boat. So with the positive defensive reviews for Henry, if the Pacers' were going with a wing, I thought he'd make sense.
Plus, I'm human and more comfortable in familiar surroundings. I was far more familiar with Xavier Henry than I was Paul George. This is where the "amateur" in amateur analysis comes in, because the bushel of upside is obviously there with George, along with his unflappably positive personality which will be an asset in the locker room.
Still, Tillery's article this morning, despite the denial of trade interest from the Grizz front office, had me pondering Henry once again. What would the Pacers offer for Henry if Memphis eventually decides to cut their losses?
After the jump a couple of options along with a few links of interest.
For Henry, the Pacers could offer Paul George, but why would they since they just selected George ahead of Henry two months ago? They wouldn't.
Tyler Hansbrough? He does have roots in nearby SE Missouri but I'm sure Memphis would like to see him, you know, play before making such a trade.
Brandon Rush? I'm in. A swap of the Kansas shooting guards seems to be the most plausible option for the Pacers. I'd be willing to give up the known quantity in Rush even though he's not a finished product, for the potential of a much younger Henry. I have to think the Pacers would, too. The only problem is that the Grizz have a coop of wings similar to the Pacers if you keep O.J. Mayo off the point to go along with Henry and freshly signed Tony Allen. But, they'd have that numbers game with Henry too, so if they get to the point of cutting their losses, Rush may be an option they seriously consider because of his comparable talent and the state of his rookie contract.
What do you think?
Here are a few links of interest:
- Homeward bound, newest Net Troy Murphy is all for it | NJ.com
Dave D'Alessandro reports on Troy Murphy's positive outlook for his upcoming year in New Jersey. - T.J. Ford's Future with the Pacers
Some T.J. tweets got Tim Donahue thinking about Ford's strange status with the Pacers so he put those thoughts in a post. - Ivey, other NBA players to teach kids hoops in Hollis
Speaking of T.J. Ford, he's in New York this weekend donating his time to a hoops clinic with fellow Longhorn alum, Royal Ivey. - Stephen Curry misses Team USA practice, listed as day to day - ESPN
Chris Sheridan reports on Steph Curry battling an ankle sprain in Madrid with Team USA. The injury gives Eric Gordon an opportunity for more reps and a shot at the final spot on the 12-man roster. - Lee has seen highs, lows in short NBA career
Chris Duncan reports on former Pike star, Courtney Lee having a career's worth of NBA highs and lows in just two seasons. - Agent: Rudy Fernandez does not want to return to Blazers - USATODAY.com
The Portland Trail Blazershave had a wild offseason and Rudy Fernandez isn't helping. - AP: Coach K focused on USA's future - NewsObserver.com
Coach Mike Krzyzewski sees the world basketball championships as more than a chance for the United States to win a title. He wants to build a culture to ensure the NBA's best players take part in future tournaments.
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I would suggest Lance/Solo…This creates an oppurtunity to not lose out on the guaranteed contract we just signed Lance who apparently can’t handle being a grown up
"You play to win the game" -Herm Edwards
umm
if i were in the grizzle front office i wouldn’t trade a half a snickers for lance/solo… just sayin
Checked the Grizz's financial situations
Was amazed to see they’ve got just two not on option years next season, the aforementioned just signed Tony Allen, and the just given a (rather nutty) max extension Rudy Gay. Was thinking perhaps they’ve got a marginally bad contract we could help them out with, but nope.
I honestly don’t see a thing we could offer for Henry that would make any sense. Rush for Henry is the most realistic, and do think Rush has MUCH higher value around the league than people seem to give him credit for here on IC, but not enough for a just drafted 11th pick. Rush and a 1st is too much, Rush and a 2nd probably not enough.
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Though there is the rights to Lorbek...
People seem to forget about him, but he’s turned into quite a solid player over in Europe. Have absolutely no clue what kind of value his rights would hold but people I whose opinions I trust that follow the Euroleague tell me he’s definitely a quality NBA player, 3rd big man offensive role type.
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TJ?
Would we get a trade exception for TJ straight up? Or would this not be allowed by league trade rules?
by FortWayneKarl on Aug 19, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Memphis isn't under the cap
A Ford for Henry straight up trade isn’t possible under league rules
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Rush is terribly underrated here...
Rush is a pretty talented defensive wing (look up some advanced metrics he held his man to percentages around 40 on most spots last year), and is close on offense. Xavier may be more athleically gifted but Rush has a fair amount of upside himself.
It doesn’t look like he’ll ever take over a game but he’s a good outside shooter and if Collison can find him open he just needs to shoot. His reluctance to shoot at times is Rush’s worst problem.
I would want to hold on to Rush and try something like Lance/Solo/TJ for Xavier and filler. From there Xavier can back up Rush/Granger and we’ll see if he can develop to supplant Rush.
by INDIANABANNER on Aug 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rush has no upside left. He is what he is. And that is something I’d be more than happy to give up for the lottery ticket that is Xavier Henry.
by ThirtyOne on Aug 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where do you see this upside? Where do you see any improvement.
Look at his 3 years in college? PPG? Didn’t go up his next two years. In fact it went down. Shooting percentage? Got worse. 3 point shooting percentage? Got worse. Rebounds? Got worse. Assists? Stayed the same.
He did not improve ONE OUNCE IN 3 YEARS AT ONE OF THE BEST COLLEGES IN THE COUNTRY.
The pros? Same stuff. Points per 36 mins? Got worse. Assist, steals, blocks, rebounds, turnovers.. no improvement. Free throw percentage? Still Atrocious. Field Goal Percentage? No improvement, still awful.
WHERE IS THE IMPROVEMENT YEAR TO YEAR? Does he even work on his game?
Hmmm...
that is just wonderful, simply wonderful.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
But people think he has so much upside still. Of course, there is no rebuttal for this. Well of course you could just go “well he will get his confidence!” after 15 years of playing basketball.
There is a big difference between confidence and arrogance, just ask the women that turn you down on a nightly..
Having your knew Star PG putting his confidence in yous gotta help that at least alittle, and being in his third year should as well.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
For starters we can not trade Lance Stephenson for about 80 days. We couldn’t trade Paul for another 70 about. Here’s what’s interesting. With a little roster shuffling, maybe a few cuts, if the Pacers liked him enough we could just offer up our next year’s first rounder and take in Xavier’s contract under the trade exception from sending off Troy Murphy. It’s a little over 3 million dollars. Problem is we have 15 player already with Magnum on the wings waiting to be signed.
Okay, here’s my plan. Trade Jeff Foster, Mike Dunleavy, and TJ to Charlotte for Erick Dampier and Boris Diaw. Immediatly drop Dampier to save about 13 million. We now have 13 players on the roster. Sign Magnum. Then trade our 1st rounder straight up for Xavier with our 3.5 million dollar trade exception. Boris can space the floor and his 9 million dollar contract ends at the the end of this year. Bobcats get their PG. Like?
This works for me.
I’m sure since the Bobcats are such teases they’d agree to it and then call back five minutes later and say the deal is off.
If X was worth it, we would have drafted him...
and theres obviously something wrong with him (like hes a diva) if the Grizz havent signed him yet. We dont need anymore wing traffic, and like I have been saying Rush (silent assasin) will have a breakout year quieting all the haters.
I would love to place a bet on this post. Rush will not have a breakout year of any kind. With Paul George and perhaps Lance Stephenson around he will be lucky if his production doesn’t go down this year.
bet accepted... loser will post an apology to the other and any other keepable bet you have in mind.
and lets be real about lance. Im all about letting them wait to get all the facts, but unless he is exonerated, they will cut him.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
few things
His agent is the one scuffing at this… first rounders, especially lottery picks, are usually just given the money or the incentives are so easy (aka play summer league, come to training camp) tha tit is essentially giving them the full money unless they get hurt
Two… this is all on the Grizzlies. WTF is 800,000 to a 400 million dollar business? now turn that around and what is 800,000 to a rookie coming into the league? a hell of a lot more that is for sure.
And Rush is who he is and who he has been since college… good defender with no confidence. will show flashes that will have people saying “omg he finally put it together” and the will pass on the next 10 wide open threes.
exactly its nothing to a team, so that means to me theres something up w him.
and whats X an athletic defender that cant shoot a lick. I like what Rush was in college, a winner and a champion. We dnt need him to be Reggie, we need him to give us 10- 15 ppg, play good defense and step up when his name is called. We do have Granger, Collison, Hibbert who should be the ones getting the majority of the points and sets ran through them. George has the luxury of coming along at his pace and if he turns out to be great, he starts and we have a great backup in Rush who will stay around, do his job, and not want more than hes worth in a contract. I don’t see where X would fit in, and if he has a halfway decent year we would almost certainly lose him next time he gets a new contract and scoffs at it. Already having contract disputes without proving anything except being on a heavily favored team and losing to a no name college in the tourney, sends up red flags in my book.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah, passing on threes for a higher percentage shot for someone else is the result of good coaching.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
most players see the most growth between there 2nd and 3rd years exactly where Rush is
why would we give up our starter for an unproven guy when we are trying to make th playoffs this year anyway?
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Um no it's not,
Bill Self spent three years telling Brandon Rush and the media that Brandon shouldn’t pass up those threes. He never did listen. He still doesn’t have any confidence in his own game, that’s why he passes up those shots. It has nothing to do with getting a teammate a better shot. In fact if you go back and watch old KU games you’ll see his teammates begging him to stop passing the ball when he’s open and just take the damn shot.
Wow, this blows my mind.
I didn’t figure I’d still have to argue my point on Brandon Rush after he went out and proved all my points in his first two years. Brandon was a winner in college because he was on an amazingly talented team. That team featured Mario Chalmers, Cole Aldrich, Darnell Jackson, Darrell Arthur, and Sasha Kaun who were all drafted into the NBA as well as Sherron Colliins who will be on an NBA team this season even though he wasn’t drafted. That team was loaded and still if not for a miracle shot by Chalmers wouldn’t have beat Memphis. He won, you are correct, but he had a hell of a lot of help.
X isn’t the problem in his contract dispute. The Grizzlies are trying to low ball him on his salary even though NBA rookies almost always get a max rookie contract. It’s pretty simple, you pay the man the most you are allowed to pay him and you move on. That’s what every other team does, if we’d tried to pay Paul George lower than the max I’m sure he’d be holding out as well.
And don’t hang that loss against Northern Iowa on Xavier. He was the freshman role player on that team. Sherron Collins going 4-15 and Tyshawn Taylor going 0-6 were the reasons KU lost that game. I’ve seen this man play in person, he knows the game and is going to be a much better pro than Brandon Rush.
ooo, you seen him play i person. wow thats it argument over, the great talent evaluater has spoken
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on man,
Of course it means something to watch someone play a ton of games in person. Why do you think scouts fly out to attend games live instead of just sitting in their homes and watching them on TV? Why do you think there’s an entire row of scouts at almost every KU home game? There are plenty of subtleties that you pick up only by being at a game and watching the interactions between players and coaches. You get a feel for the speed at which players play at and the things they do when they don’t have the ball in their hands. You really should try it sometime. If you had you’d have picked up on things about Xavier and Brandon that would be useful to this discussion. Like how even though Xavier was a hot shot one and done player he was immediately coachable and always had a good rapport with Bill Self. You’d have also seen how Brandon was a loner and a someone who NEVER carried himself with confidence in college. He never acted like he was the best basketball player on the court, not even when I watched him in AAU ball, even then he drifted into the background and his AAU team would get run out of tournaments. The guy is a immensely talented but he has NO Swagger to his game at all. This isn’t because he’s just trying to get used to the NBA, it’s because he doesn’t have it and he doesn’t care.
Obviously I won’t be able to sway your opinion, or those of others on here, about Brandon. So far though nothing he has done in the NBA has proven any of my doubts about him wrong. You can hang on to that glimmer of hope and ignore things like his PER rating all you want. But know this, if Brandon played on a team that was good, like an actual playoff team, he wouldn’t even be able to get on the floor for more than 5 minutes a game. The only reason he’s playing as much as he is is because we have been so bad the last two years at the guard spot.
well lat me start with the latter....
His Per and the criticism he got earned him an apology because of how good his defense has been etc. if I remember right. And it would be much better if he was an arrogant ass that thought he was the best on the court, cause thats what we needed from him. Not a humble, hardworking ball player…..
So what your saying is that there are ROWS of scouts that do this for a liviing and they didnt pick up on these things that you did and still recommended spending a lotto pick on him? And there were Rows of scouts that decided to pass on Xavier? Wow that must be whats been wrong with the Pacers, we need to fire these so called proffesional scouts and hire a guy with obviously much more insight like say, You. Somebody should really let these pro teams know theres a guy on this site who is better than all of our scouts that we pay to do it. Hmmm….. what were we thinking, if we had you we’d be winning a championship this year probably. Man thanks for correcting my ignorance, I should try and be more like you. Hmmmm.. maybe if I go to some of these games I can learn some of your trade secrets and be much better at evaluating talent like you.Hmmm thanks dirty-one.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you never question the president of the United States either. I bet your boss does no wrong in your eyes. I bet that drive-thru person at your local McDonalds always gets your order right. Just because someone is paid to do a job doesn’t mean they are any good at it man. Haven’t you learned that yet?
It is our job as fans to question the decision of the people who run our teams. Otherwise we’d just be mindless sheep blindly following whoever our team decides should be the coach or GM. You probably think that JOB is a good coach too, just because he’s a professional and all.
not to mention your missing the point, I don't think JOB is a great coach..
I do KNOW that he his a better coach than Joe Fan that watches some games in person and then thinks he is an expert. Namely you sucka.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We have what we have in Rush. A good defender and ok spot of shooter. That is it.
I think X could be the same defender while actually providing a some freaking offense. Oh, and he is 4 or 5 years younger than Rush. And we would have his rookie contract for the next 4 years.
HE CANT SHOOT!!!!!!! what offense? layups? 10 ft. jumpers?
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This post is bad,
This really points out that you have no actual knowledge of Xavier’s game. If you want to criticize him for anything it should be his ability to get the ball to the rim. It should never be his shooting, the man has one of the softest most technically sound jumpers I’ve seen at KU. Yes he can shoot, it is one of the best things about his game.
Wait...wait...wait...
You’re operating under the assumption is that the Pacers would draft the best guy.
Ummm…hello? Where have you been the past 20 or so years? The Pacers hardly ever make the right pick. This is a TERRIBLE drafting franchise.
You been around for the last two years? I think we’ve done fairly well. And I’m sure most here would agree. As long as you’re sane and realize how great Hansborough will be for us in due time.
You’re joking about Hansbrough right? You realize that was a horrible draft pick and it always will be? Right? Please let this be sarcasm and I just don’t recognize it.
We’ll see soon enough. There’s really no way to say either way. He’s hardly played. But unless you weren’t watching him while he was actually playing, then I can’t see how you could say that. Especially considering that particular draft.
Really?
That particular draft had about 5 guys drafted later than Tyler who I’m sure even Larry Bird would rather have right now. Including the one we just had to trade for.
And yeah I watched what little bit of Tyler there was, excellent hustle on that guy. But remember he shot an exciting 36% from the field and he missed summer league and training camp due to shin splints and then missed most of the season with an unheard of ear problem. By the way, anyone with a brain could have seen the shin problems coming, they were there in college. And the crazy part is you probably won’t see him for the start of this season.
he also knew we were getting rid of murph and foster and needed a guy like tyler
and collison is the only one thats shown anything and noone realized hed be this good, Holliday cant even get the start on his team,
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A guy like tyler?
Always hurt, can’t play, can’t put the ball in the whole?
If we wanted “hustle” we could have went to the D league not wasted a lottery pick.
Oh and..
Holliday
Lawson
Collinson
Blair
Horton
are all 100x better than Hansbrough ever will be and we completley missed on all of them.
blair has no acl and 28 other teams past on him too
collison only one i agree with
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet he still played more games than Hansbrough
Go try watching nba games and reading a bit. If you think those guys “haven’t shown anything” then this is just a waste of time.
The only person that hasn’t shown anything is MR. Vertigo o
exactly why you cant really judge him yet, if blair lasts 3 more years before his knees give ill be surprised
lawsons not shown that much either, its not that there not good but they would be marginal pgs which we already had
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And what do you call Hansbrough? AT BEST he will be a marginal PF. AT BEST. right now he is a not funny mark madson who can’t walk straight line
was the pacers supposed to be psychics?
and draft two guys that didnt go till late in the 2nd round?
comeon man there is gna be guys that slip to the 2nd round, for good reason? holliday cant even start on the 76ers. lawson is marginal and like I said the only one I agree w is collison and it looks like that worked out pretty good for us.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Collison was a suprise...
I mean he was expected to be late 1st round, early second. He has played better than expected given his draft position. Holliday was (is?) raw, understandable to not draft him. He could have been a big bust (could still be one), although I do think he could be much better than Westbrook, who he is compared to a lot. Blair like him a lot, but those knees were a big question mark. Lawson isn’t a real big guy, never did much in college and was hurt his fair share too. Thorton, is that Marcus Thorton? If so, he plays a position that we thought we had the answer for already (Rush) at that point in time. I don’t believe Hansbrough is that bad of a pick. Was I happy to see him get drafted last year? No, I wanted Holliday to be honest and still would. Probably rate it as an average pick.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The 36% had a lot more to do with the scrappy play as opposed to simply misfiring. It was the type of play that wasn’t concerning itself with FG%. We don’t have a single player who can scrap the way this guy can.
+1 Foster with a better jump shot
And if someone doesn’t think that’s valuable for a team, they don’t know basketball. Like Reggie Miller said last year “Give me the Jeff Fosters, give me the Tyler Hansbroughs, I can win with those guys.” I suppose Reggie is an idiot too. I mean “everybody” knew how Collison was gonna play. “Everyone” knew Blairs knee would hold up to the rigors of an 82 game schedule…obvious sarcasm in case it wasn’t noticed.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
by Wise Master on Aug 20, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He gets to the line a ton too.
That’s rare for a rookie, short of a top pick that the refs just love.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Foster is 3 inches taller, which is huge. Hans is a small pf
Hansbrough’s awesome jump shot must have led to his awesome FG% last year
and once again… go back and read the posts when we drafted hansbrough. Go ahead and do it. Very very very few of us were happy with the pick.
It's obvious at this point that size isn't the biggest issue...
He weighs 250, or so. And, Blair is shorter, but you seem to like him. You can’t complain about his size if that’s the case.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You compared him to foster. He isn’t foster. Hans can’t guard centers. I wasn’t comparing his height to Blair
But, since your brought it up…. and blair showed he could overcome his height problem in college because he was still short for a college 4/5. And that dude is WIDE. and he is FIVE YEARS YOUNGER than Hansbrough.
Stop comparing the two. When they both came out, I would have taken blair (go back and see the draft thread). Rght now… I am still taking blair by a long shot.
The only way hansbrough ever becomes better than blair is if blairs knees give out on him. But, the way Hansbrough’s shins and head have been treating him that might not even matter anyway.
well you'd have been the only person to pick him in the first round
every other team past on him because of his knees and medical issues. Theres a reason he was taken in the 2nd round, same with thorton.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
All they had to do was bring up Rush. Lol
Thirtyone has a serious problem with Rush, save your breath. He could hold his man to 5 points a night and average 22 and he will still be a bum to thirtyone. I think Rush is a role player, but I think that’s ok. He wasn’t a top five pick and if you van get a solid role player where we got em, that’s ok, Danny Grangers don’t fall to 13 very much. Now beating up Hansbrough is a bit premature. Give em a chance to get healthy. My outlook for him is the next Jeff Foster (with a better jump shot). Where we drafted him, that’s ok too. The whole “he’s played better and was drafted later” thing is 20/20 hindsight. To quote Reggie Miller last year “Give me the Jeff Fosters on my team, give me the Tyler Hansbroughs, I can win with those kinda guys.” Reggies words, not mine. Chill people. Bayless certainly isn’t the answer. Nobody saw Collison having the year he did, don’t knock us for not drafting someone with no ACL…I could hear it now if we would’ve done that and it backfired. “Bird is such an idiot drafting someone who everyone knew had no ACL.” you guys crack me up sometimes. Anyhow, my .02 cents.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
by Wise Master on Aug 20, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, you Bird draft haters NEVER bring up Hibbert
That was supposedly our biggest reach that draft night. How’d that work out guys. Are those crickets I’m hearing??? Lol
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
by Wise Master on Aug 20, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that the trade that also brought us T.J. Ford?
Oh well, who could have seen JOB and him becoming “best” friends forever.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
all IMO of course
Since Granger fell into their laps…
2006- 17th Pick- Williams: Fail
2007- No Picks
2008- 11th Pick- ended up with Rush: Fail
2008- 17th Pick: Hibbert: Success
2009- 13th Pick: Hansbrough- Fail
2009- 2nd Rd: Price- Success possibly
who would you have taken genious? It's easy to say success or fail...
though I can’t see how you could without them playing out there rookie contracts.
A lot of people had gerald green above granger that year
williams had great potential that turned out to be a knuckle head
would you have rather us kept bayless? instead we got rush, jack, and mcbob, then we got rid of oneal and got ford and hibbert
one year and Hans is a fail? really?
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well lets see...
In 2008, I really wanted Russell Westbrook and Brook Lopez, but that was a pipe dream. The guy I really wanted was JaVale McGee. I wouldn’t have minded Anthony Randolph, Jerryd Bayless, or DeAndre Jordan. Obviously, a few of those names you would rather trade down for, but I still would have been happy with them. In 2009, I really wanted Stephen Curry (he just makes me think of Reggie for some reason), Flynn, Rubio, or Jennings (again pipe dream, Jennings was close tho). I would have been happy with Earl Clark, Dejuan Blair, Gerald Henderson, or, my personal fave, Jrue Holliday (love Westbrook and loved this kid, he was like westbook 2.0 with better shooting.) I was furious when they drafted Tyler Hansbrough, I really, really, REALLY wanted Holliday and he was still on the board. I thought about and calmed down, because I thought to myself, ‘At least, he probably won’t be a bust."
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 21, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I do have a problem with Rush....
I don’t think he’s very good. And apparently even the man who drafted him was ready to cut bait last year and trade him. So yeah, I’m the idiot because I’ve been saying his personality doesn’t fit in the NBA. So when Larry either trades him or just outright refuses to offer him a new deal when his contract is up I guess people will finally understand that he’s not the guy we need on this team. Damn, it’s like I’m in a crazy Twilight Zone where only Larry Bird and myself see that Brandon Rush isn’t any good and no matter how bad his stats are everyone keeps telling me that he’s a good player.
I'd trade him too if the deal made us a better team, and we got good value in return considering how much depth we have at the wing...
but he wouldnt be my first choice to go over say d. jones or dunleavy and I wouldnt just trade him to trade him.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I like D. Jones alot...
more than Rush at this point.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 21, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
$
he’s not worth it, and we can get one of him in the D League.
by kennythered on Aug 23, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
from granger and beyond they have done a wonderful job drafting, shawn williams had a lot of potential he just had personal problems that kept him from doing anything
and noone thought rondo would be near what he is, and probably wouldnt have been if he didnt play w 3 HOFers. Anyone they passed on that turned out really good were for legit reasons or they were 2nd round steals
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody on here forgets that hindsight is 20/20. I wouldn’t have drafted Blari either and Tyler’s injury is a freak occurence, no one and I mean no one could have predicted that and it’s so stupid that people think otherwise.
there are many of us who were immediately pissed...
we didn’t need hindsight to realize he was a bad pick
even when he played he wasn’t any good.
by dbcb on Aug 19, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's BS
He played excellent on D. Mixed it up and rebounded. He still has to find his NBA offense, but so do most rookies. Don’t let your opinion of that pick blind you to what really happened. The guys still a rookie, pull for him instead of hoping he fails so you can say “I was right.” Weak dude!
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
by Wise Master on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hansbrough did play very well. I was scared as well when we drafted him but her’s some of his games:
21 p, 7r, 3 steals vs. New Jersey
19 p, 11r vs. Atlanta
19p vs. Washington
All you can ask for in the first two month in any rookies first year is to show flashes and he did. His FG% was awful but that’s something to work. Hell he averaged more PPG than Danny Granger in his rookie season, so just please give him a break. I was just as pissed as you were when we drafted him but we need to give this guy a chance.
No, all I can ask for from a LOTTERY PICK in their first year is production. Especially considering he wasn’t some 19 year old one and done player. This was a senior who played 4 years in the ACC. When you draft seniors, you expect production.
and I would love it if he proved me wrong. Rush too. Absolutely love it. I would gladly eat crow. I just, at this point, don’t see it happening.
And yet it's funny how the guys I'm always clamoring to take consistently turn out better than Bird's choices.
Funny.
by SethGrandpa on Aug 19, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
curious, who would you have taken or I mean who were you clamoring for starting w grangers draft?
please enlightin us with your genius. seriously year by year break down. Id like to see if your full of it or not.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hindsight is certainly wonderful...
It can make anyone seem like a genius.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea let’s build a time machine, it would be wonderful. Hell I wanted Earl Clark…. he hasn’t done a thing…. even though I still like him for some reason.
Yeah...
I liked him too. I mean he had all the tools you could ask for and good size. I suppose he’s like Rush in that regard, maybe the Suns system just doesn’t suit his game… reaching for reason.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 20, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It's funny,
some people come out of nowhere and start talking about hindsight. When in actuality if they’d have been here on draft night they would have heard us ripping these picks at the time. I sat here and wanted Holiday or Blair with our pick, I didn’t need hindsight to see that Hansbrough wasn’t the player that these guys are. Apparently no one remembers that every one of the analysts had Tyler going later in the draft than our pick.
No shit. I was irate about the pick. IRATE. I wanted holliday, blair, or lawson at that pick.
And I wanted us to trade up for blair as soon as he started free falling.
I have never thought Hansbrough would be anything more than a back up. You don’t look for back ups in the lottery… you look for starters especially when your team sucks and had holes in 3/5’s of their starting line up.
holliday is the only pick at the time anyone could argue we maybe shouldve taken...
and he was and still is raw that may or may not fulfill his potential. He wont start this year and was a backup last year. At least with Hans you knew what you were getting and he fills in a hole where we knew we were gna lose murph sooner or later. They prolly figured theyd have a shot st a high draft PG this year or target a Tony parker in FA. Its a plan they were sticking to, that is starting to come together. Looks really good to me.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You just ramble on without making since
Holliday is 19. The reason he is a back up, for now, is that Lou is ahead of him. He would have started for us last year.
Your right we knew what we were getting.. hustle. Thats it. And nothing more. weeeee great lottery pick
Im a Ramblin man...
starting as our PG last year isnt saying much, though I really doubt he would of, though if he did we mighta got a higher draft pick this year so I wouldnt have been mad.
Considering we have Collison now, I think it worked out for the better.
by Justin Arnold on Aug 20, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Realistically I'd probably say Rush + a 2nd rounder.
I really liked Rush coming out, but he hasn’t been as good as I thought he’d be. If the Pacers want to cut bait, I’d be fine with that.
I would give up..
Any combination of..
D. Jones, Rush, McRoberts, S. Jones,. and Stephenson + a second rounder to get him
I wouldnt trade for henry
His potential is at defense and the Pacers already have that in Rush. I dont know why people keep acting like Rush isnt good. he is an excellent defender. he is just inconsistent on offense which could get better this season. I will leave judgement out on Rush until after this coming season and George is going to play at the two and there is no reason to add another player that plays the same spot when there is already a log jam at the positon and plus he would be taking developement time away from george. I def wouldnt trade hansbrough right now I think the Pacers should wait and see what they have in him. I would love to see the Pacers trade any of the following…Dunleavy, Ford, SOlo, D.Jones, and maybe even Mcroberts but Mcroberts is very cheap and i think he has alot to offer especially here in indy.
Posey is going to be a difference maker this season. Collison, Granger, Hibbert may be the studs on the team now but Posey will bring the team together
If x is so good why wouldnt memphis just give in and sign him?
The stipulations are be on one of the two all rookie teams and / or be invited to fresh soph game.. also want him to average 16 min a game which they have had 1- 3 rookies do each of last 3 years. not that big a deal for a lottery pick to do for incentives
What happened to this place? Hardly backing up our players (specifically certain players that haven’t had a chance to really prove themselves), fighting amongst each other with no real purpose (Rush haters vs. supporters, Tyler haters vs. supporters etc.). It’s all a bit much. It’s nice getting all of this new discussion, but it’s too damn negative. We’re all fans of the same team. Let’s support our players (unless they push women down stairs) and just chill out on each other. This isn’t Lakers fans against Celtics fans. We’re all Pacers fans. That’s about it.
Rush, solo, and a 2nd rounder for henry
We need to offer 2 players so we can add another spot on our roster to sign magnum rolle…
this trade is futile
First, I dont think Xavier henry is all that good. Second, our wing positons are stacked; we should try to trade our headaches/ expiring contracts for a starting pf.
by latrell spreewel on Aug 19, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Xavier Henry is passive in his offense much the same way Rush is
They’re basically the same guy and I don’t feel like a trade for him with any pieces of value would be worth it.
Not fair!
You have one season of college ball to go off of with Xavier. Not to mention the fact that he was on Sherron Collins’ team. And Sherron dominated that team from a personality standpoint, if Xavier had come in and tried to take over Sherron would have killed him. Seriously, there was no room for a freshman to exert his will on that team.
Rush on the other hand has shown his passive offense in 3 years of college and two years of pro ball. Plenty of time to make that statement about him.
Preach
Sherron ran the show and Xavier was merely a bit part, if that sometimes. Xavier is a legit ball player. He is much better than Brandon (of should I saw Kareem) Rush.
by kennythered on Aug 23, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The Grizz won't deal with Indy...
You know how I know? We drafted the player they wanted this year – Paul George!
They had their hearts set on the guy and wouldn’t trade us any of their draft picks to get him. Larry drafted him in the slim hopes they’d still want to deal. They didn’t bite, so we kept King24George.
Memphis will keep Henry just to spite the Pacers :)
The FAULK
by incredibleFAULK on Aug 20, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
Hansboro, Rush and Lance for Henry, Darrell Arthur and Sam Young
Fair for both teams and should work under the cap
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
The rumors I heard had Memphis high on Lance before the draft
even rumors that he was promised the 25th pick, which did not amount. So I guess this could happen.
This would be great
I wanted Xavier over George, but I am happy with how things turned out.
With that said, Xavier is a damn good shooter and is one of the most Reggie-like players to come out. If we could make this happen for a package that doesn’t include our core (George, Granger, Hibbert, Collison) then we should get it done. I am also a bit higher on Psycho T than most are here. I would like to keep him and see what he can offers.
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