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Introducing The Pacers' Newest Point Guard: Darren Collison

This afternoon the Pacers pulled off a long anticipated trade to address their point guard woes. The deal, as reported so far, sends Trevor Ariza to the Hornets, Courtney Lee to the Rockets, Troy Murphy to the Nets and James Posey and Darren Collison to the Pacers. This may not be the end of the Pacers' roster moves, as rumors have been circulating about a possible buyout with T.J. Ford as well as a buyout or trade involving James Posey.

Regardless of any follow-up moves the real prize here for the Pacers is Darren Collison. Collison, a rookie last season, was extremely impressive filling in for the injured Chris Paul. Tim Donahue at EightPointsNineSeconds shared a short scouting report on Collison written by Ryan Schwan of Hornets 247. I wanted to dig a little bit deeper, looking at some of Collison's numbers from last season as well as some of his collegiate scouting reports.

Analysis after the jump . . .

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To begin with let's look at some of Collison's traditional statistics from last season. For comparison I have included the statistics of the three players who played point guard for the Pacers last season: Earl Watson, T.J. Ford, and A.J. Price.

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Collison is a clear upgrade as a scorer/shooter. In addition he averaged more assists and posted a higher Pure Point Rating than the others. It would be nice to see him decrease his turnovers next season, and perhaps provide a little more rebounding from the point guard position.

Next let's look at his offensive and defensive numbers from Synergy Sports. If you are unfamiliar, Synergy breaks down a player's offensive and defensive plays by category, and then provides statistics for each category.

Offense -

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Offensively, Collison's strengths are clear. He's a respectable spot-up shooter, which will be a new addition for the Pacers at point guard. In addition his speed and quickness make him dangerous in transition and isolation. Last season in New Orleans Collison had limited opportunities to work off the ball. He was very effective off cuts and hand offs, plays which he should see more of in Indiana's offense.

The one troubling area here is his lack of effectiveness in the pick and roll. Although this is not a large part of the Pacer's offense, it would be nice to see some improvement in this area next season. Watching video of these possessions on Synergy, Collison seems to suffer from a lack of patience, often making his move before the screener is completely set. It's difficult to project much change next season, as none of the Pacers' front court players, other than Jeff Foster, can be considered accomplished or experienced setting screens.

In addition Collison's problems with turnovers are obvious across possession type. Hopefully, a year of experience and the confidence his success in New Orleans built will allow Collison to play a more calm and under control offensive game next season.

One other Offensive statistic I'd like to bring in is his shot selection. Below is a break down of Collison's shot attempts from last season. For each area of the floor you can see the percentage of his Field Goal Attempts which came from that area, and the percentage he shot from that area.

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A few real positives jump out looking at these numbers. First of all, Collison is an excellent finisher at the rim and shoots a significant portion of his shots there. In addition, he is respectable on long jumpers. Finally, he is a capable 3PT shooter, but doesn't appear to force a lot of attempts from there.

The Pacers are desperate for players who can get to the rim on offense. It will also be nice to have an efficient 3PT shooter at point guard who waits until he is open to pull the trigger.

Defense -

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Schwan's scouting report on Collison was fairly negative when it came to evaluating his defense.

His defense is abysmal.  He’s fast, and he gets some steals while staying in front of his man, but he can be outmuscled easily, shot over, and it’s not hard to rub him off with a solid screen.

Looking at his Synergy numbers there are some areas to feel good about. Collison produces a high rate of turnovers against the pick and roll. He obviously competes hard on the defensive end, doing a respectable job in isolation and closing out on spot-up shooters.

Collison's physical profile will always limit him at the defensive end. His quickness and speed are assets, but his slim frame and lack of strength will be exploited by efficient teams.

Summary -

The quote below is from a Draftexpress.com analysis of last year's point guard draft class.

Darren Collison looks like an awesome backup point guard.

Collison ranked third in overall FG% at 50% and his PPP of 1.02 lands him well above average. The second best finisher in our group at 1.26 PPP and very capable shooting off the dribble (.99 PPP), Collison can score in one-on-one situations (1.02 PPP) and utilize the pick and roll (1.14 PPP) to get his shot off. Able to score at a high rate when he puts the ball on the floor, Collison could still stand to improve his catch and shoot ability, but could be a great backup point guard in the NBA since he doesn’t seem to force anything and his offensive tools are conducive to success in most situations. The question now is whether he can translate that to a higher level of competition.

The most promising thing about Collison from my perspective is the last line in that quote. After only one season in the NBA it is Collison has largely been able to translate his strengths at the college level to the NBA. He has continued to be an efficient shooter, an above average finisher and a capable penetrator. His success with the pick and roll in college leads one to believe that he could improve on last season's numbers.

Regardless of the various opportunities he has for improvement, Pacer fans should be extremely excited about the addition of Collison. He is young, blindingly fast, athletic and efficient in many areas. With only one season under his belt it's reasonable to expect improvement as well. Collison adds a dynamic talent to the Pacer's backcourt, at an extremely reasonable price. He will likely be handed the starting job, and I for one am extremely excited to see how he can help the team next season.

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Also, I still can't believe Larry Bird made a great move that I agree with.

Literally the only other time this has happened during his tenure was when he drafted Granger.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 11, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are correct.

However, his performance will make him soooo tough to move. I would also bet that team’s mentalities will be “well we know the Pacers do not want to pay him, so screw trading for him when they’ll just buy him out.” akin to what happened with Tins and will happen with Ford and Dunleavy (example one of why Bird has not been a good GM- ruining player’s value).

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

A trade

to a contender at least, means taking back ~7mm in salary. Not too many worthwhile deals that fit that. I’d prefer a buyout to a trade for some scrub, unless someone can find an expiring deal that works.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has he filed his papers yet?

Because that’s the catch, the Celtics could still trade hm before he files. Then when he retires he comes off the books.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 12, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great writeup

I’m excited. I think his shooting will keep him in the lineup, even when he’s struggling, and he’ll only improve as a passer, thus I think he’ll eventually start to decrease the TOs. People forget he was thrust into a starter’s role as a rookie for an extended stretch. Given some practice and good coaching (if that’s possible from JOB) he could really reach max potential here.

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by LukeNukem on Aug 11, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

If the pacers sneak into the playoffs this coming season does that mean JOB gets an extension? I hope not.

by gut19 on Aug 11, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

lockout will stop any extension talk anyway

by dbcb on Aug 11, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats! Collison is going to be great for you guys!

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Aug 11, 2010 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Clippers buddy!

by B-Huse on Aug 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah and don’t forget he was a rookie last year… so judge his numbers from that perspective as well. PG in the NBA is HARD.

I really wanted lawson, but this is even better. PF’s are a lot easier to find than good PG

by dbcb on Aug 11, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Best reply ever… Love Shawn and M.C. Clap yo handz… with a z.

by Boom.stick on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s how I reacted too, then I started calling people just to tell them. It was great.

by SpaceCowboy1984 on Aug 12, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

lets be honest, the pacers are doing cartwheels. This trade solves two problems; one it get rid of troy murphy, second we now have a quality point guard. Seriously Darren collison is the best pg for the pacers. Tony parker and chris paul are better players at this point of their career, however, neither of them want to play for a team like indiana. now we just have to get rid of ford and dunleavy.

by latrell spreewel on Aug 11, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said about CP3 and Parker

Those guys were a pipe dream. The fact that we added Collison is great, but the biggest deal is that we did not have to eat Okafor’s contract in taking him.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still the JOB style

Ok, we picked up a point guard which was a backup for another team. He is good at 3 pointers which is no surprise since this is JOB’s style. I really dont see him getting many assists with JOB’s run and gun offense. I do wonder about the rebounding as it seems we have several point guards now on the team and we did lose a good rebounder. I wonder if we will trade Hibbert for a 3 point shooter also. I am still a firm believer we had a point guard in TJ Ford if he had played for any other coach than JOB. I really dont want to rain on everyones parade but this is the JOB & Larry Bird reality show.

by Slick4President on Aug 11, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

You are insane if you honestly think this was not a great deal. How is collison a 3 point shooter? He mainly penetrates and finishes at the rim. Yes he has a high 3pt %… but you act like that’s a bad thing. A PG that can penetrate, pass, and hit the 3 is a GOOD THING.

Try to be objective here… seriously.

by P J on Aug 11, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meant to say at the rim or short/mid range.

And hey, if you hit the 3 at 40+%… take them.

by P J on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could've had Miami's offseason

And you’d declare it a failure since Bird was at the helm

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by IndyPacers on Aug 11, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

JOB sucks

and Bird is a below average GM. But your post is pretty silly. Today, the Pacers were a winner and I would suggest you revel in it, because we will lose more than half the games come regular season.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a back up cause he played behind Chris Paul….and maybe you didnt see how awesome he was when CP3 went down with an injury…….This was a GREAT trade, we dumped Murphys huge contract and got a position that we desperately needed….and NO, ford is not a good starting point guard…considering point guards are supposed to pass the ball he only averaged like 2 assists a game for us when he started……….thats sad cause Granger averages more than that and he shoots the ball 25 times a game……….And trading Hibbert?? thats dumb as hell, Hes one of the few bright spots in our future.

by Jeff Heiny on Aug 12, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing new from slickforprez.....blah blah, hate, blah blah, idiots, blah blah. Lol

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by Wise Master on Aug 12, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Collison

His body type reminds me of Rondo’s. Their games are completely different, though.

Does anyone else worry about Collison in O’Brien’s offense? I can’t think of one true point guard who has thrived while playing for Jim (Jack played PG and SG). I’m worried that we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment when Collison doesn’t statistically produce something like 15 and 10, even though no PG has ever done that in O’Brien’s offense.

Collison’s real value could be going forward (2011-2012), when the Pacers have a coach who’s better at facilitating point-guard play. That being said I don’t know how anyone can’t be excited about what the Pacers accomplished today. After all the verbal accosting thrown Larry’s way it was good to see him pull something like this off.

by Hinrich10 on Aug 11, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think anyone's excitement is determinant on "...coached by JOB"

I don’t give a shit about stats other than W/L. I think, well hope, we all realize that this isn’t some deal for next season only. There’d obviously be no reason for that. We may have our next starting PG for the next decade, and we got him for Troy Murphy, that’s why we’re all so pumped.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 11, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

Collison is solid, but nothing like Rondo.

The real value of the situation is we were able to land a solid PG who has potential, while not adding any bad money.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not even close to Rondo.

Rondo is much bigger and more of a freak athlete. Collison is basically just really fast.

by SethGrandpa on Aug 12, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Calm down there fellas. I only said their body types are similar. No one ever said they’re the same type of players.

by Hinrich10 on Aug 12, 2010 1:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If your concerned about Wins then were in trouble

With JOB’s coaching style were definately in trouble as far as wins. Our win total will rely strictly on how well the team shoots the 3 pointers. What happen to everyone on the Lance Stephenson bandwagon as point guard of the future?

by Slick4President on Aug 11, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

um...

“What happen to everyone on the Lance Stephenson bandwagon as point guard of the future?”

I’ll respond to that the same way I respond to those who love to say, “Larry would have drafted Hayward if he were on the board….” Um..who cares? It’s irrelevant now. It didn’t happen. The Pacers have Collison, so the Stephenson hype takes a back seat.. Much like the fact that the Jazz drafted Hayward not the Pacers, so to be transfixed on what Larry “would have done” had Hayward been available, or to criticize Pacer fans for hyping Stephenson at PG is just a plain waste of energy.

by Hinrich10 on Aug 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1....and he still might be a combo guard, or check in to defend strong points...

…who are beating Collison up with their size. It give us options to physically match up with any point guard.

Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"

by Wise Master on Aug 12, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Realistically

I truly hope Collison’s awesome and George wins the ROY and Granger is solid and everyone takes big steps forward in their growth but that we lose 65 games and land the first pick. With our roster, we are nowhere near a top 6 team in the east. A top 4 pick gets us there. However, I am ecstatic we got better today and I am happy Larry showed to be a possibly average GM.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure yet as it is August

but Harrison Barnes, Enes Kanter, Perry Jones, Jared Sullinger would not be bad starts. There will be some real game changers next year, just has there have been the past few years. Or we could deal it to someone for some real value.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barnes plays a position we're heavy at.

Perry Jones is a possibility at the PF, as is Sullinger. I don’t trust in international big men, I know he’s gonna play at kentucky, but he just looks like a soft, scorer type. Jones is more appealing to me, because Sullinger doesn’t seem like a player that works next to Hibbert for me. Honestly, I would still take Kyrie Irving in this situation and let him and Collison fight it out. Just go best player available.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 12, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, it's August

I could see Perry Jones doing a Durant impression to be honest.

On the others, I was just naming some names, and anything can happen between now and then, but I was merely making the point that someone will be worth the slot.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jones is A LOT rawer that most

Of course I have the same opinion of Favors and he went 3rd. I just don’t see long term success with Sullinger, too short, not athletic enough. Definite NBA material but he’s got a lot of Ike Digou in him.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ew I really disagree with the Diogu comp on Sullinger

I know he has his flaws, but he will be a tough young player, just maybe not 1 and done. The point I was making, however, is if you add a top 4 pick to the young core we currently have, we would be one of the best young teams in all of the NBA while having a very fun team to watch and root for, even if we still lose at the start we would win quickly, much like OKC.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

That a top 4ish pick would be exciting to add, of course you can say that about every team. And I’ll be my house we’re nowhere near the top 4 discussion outside of some crazy ping pong balls. Should that happen, I hope we don’t waste the pick on Sullinger. I really don’t have anyone in mind right now that’d fit the type of 4 we’d need, but I would certainly be upset if we tried to make it Sullinger.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

My current #1 draftee looking at our roster and what should/could be available somewhere between, I don’t know, 13-16, is Marcus Morris outta Kansas.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

He’s 73rd on their big board. And they have him leaving in 2012 and in the second round… that can change obviously and probably will, but does he really look that good at Kansas?

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 12, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whose big board?

I guarantee it ain’t as good as mine lol jk. Seriously though, make sure you aren’t confusing him with his twin brother Markeif (also at Kansas). Marcus is the much better prospect so I doubt that’s the case though. He’s not unlike Ed Davis where he showed flashes come tourney time but was stuck behind lotto picks (Cole Aldrich in Morris’s case, Hansbrough with Davis). He’s not my ideal draftee by any means, but looking at current realistic guys he’s a guy I’ll be watching to see if he can capitalize on his big minutes increase.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Marcus.

And I suppose its nbadraft.net’s big board. He looks small, is he really PF? He needs to bulk up.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 12, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

At 6-9 and 286 (are you fucking kidding me!?!)

He has an NBA body, by the way that’s what nbadraft.net has him measured as. He seems like a guy that could dominate in college but be a poor defending, scorer type in the NBA… kinda like what Al Jefferson is. That weight has to be wrong, surely he isn’t that fat.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 12, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sullinger is 6'7 tops

I really mean that, I’ll be amazed if he tops out above that at the combine

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adrian Dantley was 6'4" Barkley 6'5", with the right...

…body and athleticism a guy that height can get it done. Saying that, I have no idea who this guy is. Lol

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by Wise Master on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've known Jared and Satch (his dad) for a while through AAU

I think he’s over 6-7 but he is somewhere south of 6-8.

Watching him upclose, he is 10x more athletic than Jefferson, but he still has all of Jefferson’s good traits. He handles it better, shoots it better from the wing, can face up, and is athletic and strong enough to figure out how to be a suitable defender in the league.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you say so

I don’t mean that to be condescending, I’ve only seen Sully live once, I’ll take your word for it until I can see him at aOSU.

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by IndyPacers on Aug 12, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He could prove to be something different, as many other top recruits have.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry..

He still reminds me of Al Jefferson, he didn’t didn’t go above the rim at all really.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 12, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like hearing other's comparisons

but if you are into looking at these players just youtube some of their games and make your own comparisons. My guess is NBAdraft.net has only seen a few games or heard from someone else about the player. I would bet if you watch them play a few games, you will make a better comparison and also get a feel for if they will succeed or not.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

They usually have videos with some of the higher picks...

And they add more as it gets closer to the draft, make changes. But yeah I get what you’re saying. Honestly, Perry Jones looks more like an athletic PF in the mold of Anthony Randolph with more range, so maybe a Josh Smith type. He gets high above the rim.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 12, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

A reader asked me to post the Pick and Roll ball handler numbers for Granger and Dunleavy as well. Here they are:

Dunleavy – 37 Possessions
0.70 Points Per Possession
32.0% FG%
18.9% TO%
Granger – 130 Possessions
0.74 Points Per Possession
34.4% FG%
13.8% TO%

by Ian Levy on Aug 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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