Pacers Add Collison, Posey And Trade Murphy As Part Of Four-Team Deal
by Tom Lewis on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
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PrintChad Ford among others has reported that the Indiana Pacers are part of a four-team trade that will send forward Troy Murphy to the New Jersey Nets and bring point guard Darren Collison and forward James Posey to Indiana from New Orleans.
Here is Ford's comments on the Pacers' part of the deal.
For the Pacers, landing Collison gives them the young starting point guard they've been looking for and adds another piece to a young core of players including Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert and promising rookies Paul George and Lance Stephenson.
The Pacers did take on the last two years and $13 million of Posey's contract, but the deal also sliced another $4 million off the team's overall payroll.
My first thought (after the excitement of new story lines to follow) is that the Pacers aren't done yet. I like Posey as a wing option because he can defend, but now the Pacers are even more loaded with wings, so you have to think at least one of them will be moved before the season. Plus, rookie Magnum Rolle is still unsigned (no doubt because of these negotiations) so the team needs to make room for Rolle if they want to keep him around this season.
As for Collison, beggars can't be choosers and Collision adds youth, speed and smarts to the Pacers' backcourt which needed all of the above.
Also, what to do with T.J. Ford. There have also been tweets flying around that the Pacers were trying to buyout T.J. Ford but Ford ain't, well...buyin' it. With Collison in place, dealing T.J. for about anything at this point will be a positive.
Stay tuned, the news is just starting to flow in.
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I absolutely
Love this trade. Collison is exactly what the Pacers need in my opinion. Sure, it’s not all done, but this is a step in the right direction.
St. Louis Cardinals and Indy Colts fan. Avid fan of the Springfield Cardinals, the Cards' AA team!
now we just need to get rid of ford and dunleavy
i wouldn’t keeping posey if nothing transpires. he’s a pretty good defender and can knock down the 3
Great Trade for the Pacers
I agree with you about Posey, and his experience could really prove positive if we happen to make the playoffs as he has some always useful championship experience.
Collison is great because he is our starting PG without any if/ands or buts. As a backup last year he averaged more assist than any Pacer did. I can’t wait to see what he can do while playing big minutes in a starting role.
As of TJ,, a buyout would be nice but I still think we need to keep out ears up for a trade too. An expiring contract is worth a lot in the NBA no matter what the name attached to it is. And I still can’t really be mad at TJ either financially speaking, I wouldn’t turn down 8 million dollars either, even if I wasn’t worth it.
If Youre not First, Youre Last
by drsuessrunner07 on Aug 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
To be fair to AB
he’s been begging for young assets for a lonnnng time so I imagine this will qualify. So I imagine is reaction will be: ’bout time
This trade doesn’t change my opinion of Bird more than 5%. I think this move will get him close to break even in his time here with the Pacers.
Plus, at the end of the day, we have no idea how this team will play next year. I don’t think Bird gets to claim victory until he actually has a team with a winning record on the court.
your going to eat your words, Bird's done a magnificent job..
In 2 years he’ll be considered top 10 in the league. with reporters finally pointing out the walsh aspect
by Justin Arnold on Aug 11, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only hope you are correct
but his lack of success could still doom him. The fact is the Pacers have been losers for too long and if they do not turn it around everyone will want Larry out.
Way to go Bird!!!
You’ve gone from idiot to genius with this trade!!! It seems I was wrong about you and really glad that I was!!!! :) Go Pacers… And given the number of wings and expirings, I can’t wait to see what’s next!
This trade and
The JO to Toronto trade should be embossed on a basketball so it can be proudly displayed in LB’s office.
Soooooo
Excited about this trade!! I’m too ready for this upcoming season…
....
Interesting how everyone seems to love Bird all of a sudden. I thought he was the worst GM ever? OH wait, he isn’t, imagine that.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Give it a few days
Before the wolves are out, calling for his head because Ford and Dunleavy are still rostered.
Exactly
Some people can’t be pleased. We have some here of course, but they are fans or they wouldn’t be hovering down here. Sometimes I hafta remember that. Lol! I hope this pleases some of the hard to please.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
Finally!!!
So what comes next? We still have a lot of expirings and we need a 2 and a 4.
impact on lance?
What are your thoughts on how this will affect lance’s growth? I wasn’t ready to necessarily hand him the keys to the car from day 1, but I was looking forward to seeing how he developed as a PG. Do we use him as a backup 1 or in his more natural 2 spot? What about AJ when he returns?
by TellTravisI'mTheBEST on Aug 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
Lance is a natural #2, doesn’t have quite the decision making skills to be a true PG…I believe the plan was always have Price as a legit back up…I think this only helps all the way around!
by BringbackReggie#31 on Aug 11, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably good for his growth...
since he won’t be thrown to the wolves right off the bat. He will probably play both, but more 2 I would think now, at least this season. I could see AJ being inactive now… probably not tho.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE IT!
I’ve always been patient with Bird, haven’t said anything bad about him! Things like this take time and we’ve messed up ENOUGH in the past, that it was only a matter of time before Bird gets something done….
NOW JOB on the other hand, he’s still gotta go!! Can’t stand him…however, I feel like this will help lure a good coach in (knowing he has a legit PG for the future to work with)
by BringbackReggie#31 on Aug 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry...
How do we listen? I thought it was just podcast honestly.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell Freaking Yeah!!!
I usually just post over at Stampede Blue, but I’ve always loved the Pacers. This is the best trade they’ve pulled off that I can ever remember. Love it! Darren Collison is a baller (had a 20 assist game last season – don’t think any Pacer pg has ever pulled that off) who actually thinks pass-first and can get out and run a break.
Awesome.
The 2010 NFL season will bear witness to a singular, epic moment in history as the world will watch my Colts demoralize and dismantle such the teams which the BRB, BCC and MCM contributors represent, en route to #18's holy ascent into our sport's hallowed history. Here comes the Juggernaut.
by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm..
We did get a first rounder for Antonio Davis. Sure Johnathan Bender busted but we still got a top 10 pick from AD.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Rose to Chicago
for B. Miller and Artest was solid as well. Although Ron-Ron eventually went crazy, which pretty much sucked.
Forgot about that one...
Doesn’t mean i’m discounting the trade at hand at all though. Collison is young, quick, and I’m sure he picked up some great habits from playing with CP3 last season. I’m actually looking forward to this season now.
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh...Jon Bender
Such a tease. I’m sure it’s been rehashed over here plenty, but damn he was lights-out for about 12 minutes a season. Too much talent for his knees to handle.
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
scotty skiles
Although he wasn’t playing for us at the time, Scott Skiles holds the all-time record for assists in a single game with 30….you can’t say that doesn’t count if you’re counting Collison’s game as a Hornet….
by TellTravisI'mTheBEST on Aug 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have Skiles' basketball card commemorating that game
He was playing for the Magic back then
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Jalen Rose did too for some reason.
http://twitter.com/jalenrose/status/18887554472
Just not sure it was in a Pacer uni. Also a funny tweet.
if my memory serves correct
tinsley got 20+ in a game
by captain flitzy on Aug 11, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in, Larry Bird fires Jim O’Brien, gives millions to children, and kills Osama Bin Laden. All religions are now recognizing him as god.
by B-Huse on Aug 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could easily see us keeping posey around and praying he is decent enough that some contender thinks he is good again and we get rid of him for a low first round pick.
He adds insurance if Dunleavy is hurt again, even if I don’t want posey taking minutes from anyone.
Hmmmm who starts at the 4 now? Hans can’t walk straight and I really really really don’t want danny down there all year. Is McRoberts ready? Rolle? Flip Posey for someone that can move and reboudn in that spot?
so many questions still… but at least pg isn’t one of them.
I think the idea is more like we move Dunleavy or something.
At least that is what I would want to do.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny might move over.
It’s tough to say really. I could see Hans or Granger, but McBob doesn’t seem real likely as a starter.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Adding two players
someone is going to get the boot. I hope it isn’t Magnum..
Thinking about it...
It could be AJ.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Mannix tweets
@ChrisMannixSI tweeting about Miami and Boston likely showing interest in Posey if he’s bought out or thru trade. That makes sense.
Not much they can offer.
Draft pick?
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
JMV is speculating that the Pacers might just buy out the rest of his contract
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But then again, it’s not like the Pacers need another wing
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Posey could have value in the future
Worst case is he has value as an expiring contract NEXT year.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Not the 1st time Larry went from dunce to genious ....
I could not have drawn this trade up better on a video game ….
Taking on Posey and his contract is so much more acceptable than taking on Okafor’s
What is the Pacer’s biggest need now ? I see another move for a 4/5 coming down the line ….. thankfully Murphy is gone … but we are now a little light upfront
THE FRAUD OF T-MURDER has worked in the Pacers favor for once …….
Excellent trade by the Pacers front office!!!
I’d love to see us continue trading vets for young upside players and picks.
Kudos to you Larry Bird
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
This might be stupid but...
What is the advantage to a buyout?
Generally a player will take less than his full salary in a buyout
So the Pacers would save a roster spot, plus a small (3-5%) piece of TJ’s 2010-2011 salary.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
some people are untradable
plus, to get rid of bad contracts + bad player… you have to take back an equally bad contract
buying someone out saves you money in the long run if the buy out makes since.
are we talking about a buyout of TJ or Posey? I’ve heard rumors of both in the past few hours…
by TellTravisI'mTheBEST on Aug 11, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
both
im not in favor of buying out either one
Buyout for either doesn't really make sense to me
Ford’s expiring probably has value at some point.
If we need the roster spot, Solo Jones should get the axe.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Especially if
A contender loses its PG to injury at some point in the year (a la Orlando w/ Nelson 2 years ago). If that happens, he suddenly becomes a hot asset in the league because of his expiring contract…
i'm not sure he is....
but my guess would be that we’ve shopped him around for about a year now and still have no deals.
by TellTravisI'mTheBEST on Aug 11, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw buying out posey unless he takes next to nothing to get rid of. Make those people give up something.
FINALLY!!!!
NO MORE MURPHY!!!!!! yessss, thrilled with this trade. Next move, packaging Posey and TJ for a young talent. lets get it done.
Ha ha ha
Brilliant!
Trade the old guard for young new talent and managed to avoid any really horrible contracts coming back this way.
Good job Pacers!
Yes!
This is what makes sitting, watching, and bleeding through five years of awful basketball and bad transactions tolerable. A day like today. The pessimist in me knows there’s still a long way to go, but the optimist side is grinning from ear-to-ear because the worst is (surely) behind us. Kudos to the Legend. You just earned your contract extension.
Love the trade
This has been a thoroughly enjoyable offseason with the new draft picks and now Collison. If only Hansbrough can get his head on straight – literally. I can’t remember an offseason with so much NBA action.
Soooo the KNOWN Lineup is going to be:
PG: Collison
SG:
SF: Granger
PF:
C: Hibbert
Who do you guys think will be the opening day starters for the other positions?
by BrownsburgPacers on Aug 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
my guess
Opening night:
Collision
Rush
Granger
Hansboro
Hibbert
Posey is first off the bench
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Are we truly that enamored with Rush still?
I’m still a little unsure on that. And Hansbrough, well, he will have to earn his way slowly into the lineup I think because of how much time he’s had off. I hope we make one more deal at least before the season for a solid starter at PF…
by BrownsburgPacers on Aug 11, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanny is really the most obvious choice at PF given the other options.
Rush continues to get playing time even though Jones, IMHO, outplayed him last year. So, expect that to continue. Granger might move to the four.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Opening night
No way George starts in place of Rush. Rush will get an early season to prove himself worthy, but the switch to George is imminent if Rush doesn’t perform. Just my opinion.
And I don’t know who starts at the PF if this is our lineup. Hansbrough starting would make sense if he were actually ready to go right now, but I don’t see a way he starts on opening night. Unless we start small from the opening game. I think there’s going to be a lot of small ball to start games, so wouldn’t be shocked to see George and Rush start with Danny at the 4. There’s no way I would feel comfortable going into opening night with Josh McRoberts as the starter.
Rush at SG and McRoberts at PF. My guess is Hansbrough will be healthy but they might not want him playing starters minutes right off the bat
So, they finally get a solid pg and have a good backup in lance
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
LARRY
My man! This is a friggin steal! I no longer feel like an idiot for defending you!
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Press Conference
Larry just said that they are still looking for a PF and he doubts they start the season with the current roster. He said there were some calls today from teams interested in some of our wings.
Hell has frozen over
Danny’s fingers OK, we pull off an outstanding trade. 2012 really is the end of the world
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Well said.
At least we can see the colts win another super bowl and the pacers make the playoffs before we die.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
so who is our future sg?
i’ve pretty lost my faith in rush, so with collison at pg, is stephenson or george the future sg?
I'm hoping it's george
if he matches some of his talent-laden hype, he could be a pre-knee-problems T-Mac.
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What up from Nets land!?
Congrats on the trade, you guys made out really well, Collison was a steal… Don’t feel too bad about Posey’s crazy contract since Collison’s rookie contract kinda evens it out.
How did you guys feel about Troy Murphy? On paper, his stats look great and I hear he’s tough, but I always like to hear from the old team.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 11, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Troy is a stats man.
He’s not as good a rebounder as his RPG says. He can drain the 3, especially in transition. Not great on D, but if you’re looking for a stretch 4, he’s your man.
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't be too excited.
He was disliked here, but if you don’t care about defense then you could like him.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Troy
If nothing else, the dude is consistent. Although he wasn’t that good on defense, he was a great defensive rebounder. Great long distance threat, decent shooting percentage, 80% from the line. Overall, a good supporting character on a team – not a star by any stretch – but a solid contributor.
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I hated Troy.
Defense is important to me and he made no effort at it.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But you could say the same for most of the Pacers Roster, couldn't you?
Granger isn’t any defensive specialist either…but I guess you could point to JOB for the Pacers utter lack of game on that side of the court.
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Although Big Roy does play pretty solid in the defensive post
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He makes an effort at times.
Murphy is literally a black hole. I can’t remember how many times Roy got a fouled called on him because troy wouldn’t try and stop his man.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true
We need to add a decent PF who can defend so Roy does not take the blunt of our defensive problems. I think people would be shock at how Roy would immediately become an average defender is he had an above average defender next to him.
Here's hoping we do!
Larry alluded to another deal being made before preseason starts (sounds like for a PF), so I’m keeping my fingers crossed
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Horford
I know ATL not locking him up with an extension soon and then not matching an offer seems crazy. BUT TODAY I CAN DREAM!
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Now that would be incredible!
Horford can flat out play on both sides of the ball. I love that kid
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I have shot down everything that has brought up Horford’s name, however I will allow you to dream.
Team lacked consistency
But Murph was the most even keel player we had, that I agree with. Danny was up and down with some kind of problem all year, and there wasn’t enough faith in Roy to give him the opportunities to show consistency.
Murph was the second best player on the roster though because of that consistency. I think Murph gets more flak on defense than he deserves, but he’s not great at it. He became more active at attacking the basket towards the end of last season, which I would hope to see him continue to work on (not that it affects me anymore). But I don’t think he’s ever going to be a player that’s going to get you wins. Coincidence or not, Roy Hibbert was better without Murph and the team won more without Murph.
But he’s a good guy. If he were paid adequately, he’d be a great asset. Should be that way after this season.
How many years do we have Collison on contract for?
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure, but I think typical rookie contracts are of the 3 year variety.
So, two more years maybe?
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you guys have him for 2 more years, then he’s a restricted free agent and you can match any offer made to him. And between so many teams throwing away their coveted cap space this summer and a new CBA/potential lockout, I doubt many teams would be able to offer a contract not worth matching.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 11, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
STEAL!
At first I thought it was Nick Collison and I was like “WTF ARE YOU DOING BIRD?” Then I heard Darren and this trade suddenly became awesome. PG of the future. Excellent trade.
It’s too bad the Pacers took Hansbrough over DeJuan Blair though.
"Haters, suck my balls, TWO TIME"
Awesome!
God, I was feeling rather “blah” for the pacers, but this…this gives me hope.
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I've been on the record
saying I am not the biggest Collison fan. However, seeing that we only had to take on Posey as opposed to Okafor, this deal is a good one for us.
I am excited to see what else is in store for the rest of the offseason. I would love to move Dunleavy, Rush, Dahntay, Posey and Ford. However, I feel Dun and Ford are almost immovable and same with Posey. If that is the case, we should really look to buy them all out because the 10%+ that we could save on each one of their deals could very well be the difference in adding a big contract next offseason.
Contenders want Posey
Celtics, Heat, etc
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see him turn posey into a pick.
I mean even a second rounder at least. Given Bird’s history of second round draft picks it could be a pretty good deal.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That could be possible, but I just don't see how contracts could match up.
Anything more than a second rounder would be a dream.
Contenders have said to shown interest if he is bought out
I’m all about wearing the rose-colored glasses but the fact is, with Posey’s performance the past couple years he is all but immovable. I mean, don’t you think NO would have traded him for something of value instead of a salary dump?
That's true.
I wouldn’t be up against buying him out, say 3-5% of his salary. Sounds good to me.
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I also get the felling
That “contenders showing interest in Pacers wings” is really teams are calling about Rush and maybe Dahntay.
I wouldn't mind seeing either of them go.
I think, right now, Bird is trying to move Ford, to see if he can get anything we can use for him. If he feels there’s nothing to get, they’ll buy him out.
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's bring DD back
And get some nasty back down in the paint.
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by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Aug 11, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly would take Rasheed Wallace back in a deal for Posey
I think it would take more than Posey to land that deal, but maybe not much more if we add a second rounder or Foster or whatever other package makes the deal go down.
Damn
That sucks. That would have been an amazing way to rid ourselves of a bad deal or two. I guess there’s still Dampier, unless I’ve missed that the Bobcats already waived him.
wallace
for a Pacer fan I think traded for or signing Rasheed Wallace is akin to selling our collective souls to the devil. We have enough expiring contracts
He looked old on an old Boston team.
In case you don’t know, THAT’S OLD!
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn guys, he's retiring, he would have never play for us.
its his contract you want, not him.
We would have recieved him in a deal, then waived him, then he would sign the retirement papers, saving the Pacers a TON of money. This would be soooo much better than just paying a final year to one of the many overpaid jokes we currently have.
It would essentially save us any money that we sent away, which would be huge. Its better to not pay Dunleavy/Ford/Jones/Solo/Foster/Posey and save a possible 10+ Million dollars. You guys do not understand how bad it is for a small market team, who does not put butts in seats, to pay huge money to plays who do not give anythign in return. It would be GREAT, probably more impactful in the longterm than landing Collison, to not have to pay two or more of the aforementioned players. The Pacers are a possible team who could relocate and that would be awful so we need to be very very frugal.
by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
a smart contender
takes posey and foster off our hands
by captain flitzy on Aug 11, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That very iffy.
If I were a contender, I would be able to find a post defender and a wing who would create more impact for cheaper.
by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The trade I would love to be involved in would be
the OKC/DET trade. I do not see OKC spending to resign Jeff Green, so it would be perfect to somehow land him. I would also take Maxiell from DET as he is worth much more than the 5million a year that he is owed for the next 2 years.
I don't dislike him.
He’s versatile and would be an interesting complement to both Granger and Hibbert.
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24vjwq8
D. Jones and Hansbrough (and maybe a 2nd rounder) for Green?
..or sub in Rush for D. Jones?
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the deal that rids us of Dahntay
it would be a wet dream. I just don’t see OKC having much interest in him or Rush.
Agreed.
But still, D. Jones, Hansbrough, 2nd round pick isn’t bad at all for a player who could just walk.
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true
You never know. I just see OKC with Thabo, Harden, and Westbrook as guards who defend and do a lot more than Rush or Dahntay.
The question is what team needs wings so we can add them to a three way deal, or maybe 4 way.
after all, I’m also up for a 3way
Detroit would be a much harder sell.
They want to move Villanueva or Gordon.
What do you think about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24s8ltu
Ford for Villanueva straight up. Detroit gets cap room and a PG. We get a versatile PF. I don’t know much about Villanueva though.
by MillerTime31 on Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I dislike Villanueva
I do not think he brings much to the table with his tag. If you didn’t like Murphy you would HATE Villanueva. However, Maxiell would be a very positive addition to our roster.
Don't want Charlie V
But they’ve been interested in getting rid of Maxiel and Wilcox too, and we could get both for Ford and maybe a 2nd rounder. We’d have a new stable of athletic PFs to replace Murph going out.
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What about a trade for Andray Blatche?
Any chance it happens?
I do not know about his availability
I have also seen him play only a few times but I have heard he has maturity issues. His number at the end of the year are difficult to argue against.
Our only shot at Horford
is if the cap rules change in the upcoming offseason, then ATL may not be able to literally afford to keep him or to even resign him, but then again this could mean we are incapable of adding him as well.
I don't like him
Yeah the numbers are nice, but the guy is REALLY dumb on the floor. He’s a complete stat padder.
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Wonder what it'd take
To get Kevin Love. That’s probably more outside the realm of reality than Horford when you take into account the bad blood there seems to be.
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Danny Granger...
He wouldn’t take anything else.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 11, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably
That’s about what I figured. Maybe Hibbert and a 1st or something.
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they gave away jefferson because of Love
but then again, kahn is retarded. we have extra point guards and wings… he might want 1 or 5
Great low-risk trade
Good job by ownership agreeing to pony up and buy out Posey. Love it.
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no we will probably unload posey
ford has value as an expiring contract. Posey doesnt
Maybe/maybe not
I’m just asking, I haven’t seen anything about a Posey buyout
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Heard they were interested in buying him out on the JMV show
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Yeah, they said they want to buy Posey out and he wants to sign with Boston or Miami, I think
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Yeah
I honestly think everyone is having a difficult time understand just how difficult Ford, Posey, and Dunleavy would be to move.
If AJ price’s knee make it so he is back to his self last year, our point guard position could be set for the next 10 years… price is a very capable back up.
Problem with backups is they start to look for more
As do other teams.
I’d be ecstatic if Price could be the second coming of Dribbledribbledribbledribble alongside Collison for the next decade, but just like Best, he’s eventually going to be wanting more or some team with PG problems is going to grossly overpay for his services.
Hopefully Price gets back to form. He’d be a great backup for at least the next four or five.
But more importantly, how unbelievable is it that we’re actually talking about this? A positive in the PG situation? God, I hope this core pans out… I don’t even care about this gaping hole at PF right now. I hated small ball last year, but if it gets our best players on the floor…
Posey had a 10% trade kicker
So it’s not quite $4mm in immediate savings
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Future point guard
Don’t give up on A. J. Price. He is a survivor. He’ll be back and make solid contributions including pushing the starting point in practice.
From a long-suffering pacers fan
I have been a fan of the Pacers for a very long time now… I’ve seen their ups and downs, and these past few years have been anything but pretty…
But with the excellent draft and this lopsided trade (thankfully for us), I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel we entered after the Malice at the Palace five or so years ago…
Now all we need to do (it won’t be easy until later this coming season, though) is get rid of rush, ford, jones and dunleavy for some low post players (actually low post DEFENDERS) and we’ll be all set to contend again… Even just a blue collar rebounding type who plays defense would be welcome, since we have plenty of scoring options already…
With the excellent picks made in the draft, along with the signing of Collison and Posey, it is FINALLY beginning to make sense for my beloved Pacers again…
Agree
I don’t know which Jones you’re talking about, but I feel like Dahntay still has a place on the team. He’s a great energy guy who plays legit perimeter D. I feel the team if finally one piece away from relevance. And it’s a great feeling. Another savvy move and we’re right back in the thick of things…
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Solomon
Jones is the Jones I’m talking about… he didn’t deliver on the “defensive monster” tag that he came with when he got here… he’s basically just roster space now…
I watched some of the summer league games and if I had to choose between Sol Jones and Magnum Rolle’s upside (Rolle is still unsigned), the choice would be obvious…
I’m not sure if there are any teams out there interested in Sol Jones, though…
Dahntay is overpaid and I would love to see him bounced on the cheap
by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I misread that as Danny while scrolling
And was about to punch you in the face
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No way Dahntay is overpaird. Anything but, overpaid. The guy is making 2.5 million and was netting 15 ppg a game while playing great D and making highlight dunks. There are players that don’t do half of what he did and make 4 times more so please don’t ever say that again. It’s not his fault Jim O’Brien is a piece of shit and hates guys who don’t shoot 3’s.
He's kind of a MEH player
His contract isn’t a killer. But he is 30, and really isn’t part of the future.
I’d rather he goes than one of the younger guys goes.
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He outplayed Rush...
In a perfect world, that gets you the starting job when you outplay the starter.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 13, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
the more i think about it horfaord would not be good for us...
we need good priced tough defending rebounders. we gotta think about keeping money for resigning these core guys they are gna want more money soon.
just got home and saw this news....
and I am thrilled. I was under the assumption that Collison was an untouchable for the Hornets. Great job. Now, tom is right, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to keep Ford on the team, lets do something.
The
What do you think Larry has been trying to do for the past year?
They have been trying to move Ford forever!
by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, we have been trying to trade Ford but...
I had already resigned myself to starting the season with TJ as the starting point guard. There really aren’t any other solid options on the team. Now, there is an option BUT after thinking it over, if he won’t take a buyout I say just stash him on the inactive list or give him VERY FEW minutes until the trading deadline when I think we could be able to get a little something from a team desperate for PG help and/or an expiring contract.
great trade
but im torn…I hope this improves us but somehow we can still justify firing JOB at the end of the season. Trading for or signing another PF might be the another issue but regardless I’d probably take this trade 10 times out of 10.
I was just thinking the exact same thing
I want us to win now but I don’t have much confidence in JOB and hope we still get a new coach for next year.
Win-Win I suppose
ever the optimist, I guess it cant be all bad…we win…that’s great I love seeing the pacers win in any circumstance…we lose…well at least JOB and some bums are out the door
JOB is gone after the year
Short of winning a playoff series (if even then) he’s got no chance of staying. Besides, he suddenly learns how to coach and it results in the team winning games, why’s it a bad thing if he were to stay? I have no faith that’ll happen, but if it did…
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jus getting home
Wow to reach home to news like this is just amazing.. Got a good question!! where all my Larry Bird haters went??
Go INdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Larry made a good trade
It was about time.
But lets see what else is up his sleeve before we erect a bronze statue of the guy.
Kudos on the trade though, better late than never
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WOW!
Just getting off work and seeing this makes the day much better! Games and game threads are gonna be much better this season! GO PACERS!
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