Have The Pacers Already Found The Answer To Their Point Guard Conundrum?
The Pacers' stated goal this off-season was an upgrade at the point guard position. Having lost their end-of-the-season starter to free agency for the second summer in a row, although Earl Watson hasn't officially signed somewhere else, the Pacers are left with the as yet underwhelming T.J. Ford and second year pro A.J. Price, who is currently rehabbing a knee injury. The Lance Stephenson summer league experiment notwithstanding, the Pacers haven't done anything as yet to accomplish an upgrade in this area.
Many of the notable free agent point guards have been signed, but rumors have begun circulating about the availability of Ramon Sessions. This idea seems to have been greeted with much support from fans. I apologize for the misleading photo and title, but this is not a post about Ramon Sessions. I have a different solution to offer.
What if I told you the Pacers could enter next season with a starting point guard who is under 28 years old, and a former Top 10 Draft Pick? What if I told you that player had been on playoff teams in 4 of their 6 NBA seasons and had career per game averages of 12.1 Points, 6.2 Assists, 3.3 Rebounds and 1.2 Steals? What if I told you that the Pacers could get this player on 1 yr. deal and cut him loose at the end of the season if things didn't work out? This won't be a surprise to many of you, but the player I am talking about is T.J. Ford, and he's already a Pacer.
In his two seasons in Indiana, Ford has admittedly been a disappointment. I am here to argue that in our frustration and disappointment we have lost sight of the player he is, and the potential he has to be an asset on the floor this season.
Let's start by addressing the rumors concerning the Pacers' interest in Ramon Sessions. Below is a comparison of each player's per 36 minute statistics from last season.
The numbers are remarkably similar, with a slight edge to T.J. Ford. Both players had disappointing seasons last year and did not receive the playing time they expected. To be sure we are looking at such similar players, let's look at the career numbers. (I couldn't find Pure Point Ratings for each player's career.)
Again, the numbers appear extremely similar with a slight edge to Ford. Sessions is under contract for the next 3 seasons (2012-2013 is a Player Option) for a total of $12,773,919. Ford's contract is worth $8,500,000, but expires at the end of this season. Offering such similar statistical production would make Sessions a better value, but Ford offers more flexibility and the ability to pursue a more attractive long-term point guard option next off-season.
In looking at Ford, I would like to focus on 3 areas: 1) Talent and Potential 2) Disappointments with the Pacers 3) Maximizing his skills in 2010-2011
T.J. Ford: Talent and Potential
Ford's very respectable career numbers can be found above in the comparison with Ramon Sessions. In addition, I pulled together a few of his other career highlights:
- Ford has 2 of the Top 20 individual players seasons in terms of Ast per 36 minutes since 2003-2004. The other players who appear on this list: Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Brevin Knight, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Jose Calderon and Rajon Rondo.
- Ford is 7thamong current and active NBA players, with a career average of 7.6 Ast per 36 minutes. He trails only Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Jose Calderon and Rajon Rondo.
- Ford's career Ast % of 34.5% is 10th among current active NBA players, trailing only Chris Paul, Deron Wililams, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Jose Calderon, Baron Davis, Rajon Rondo, Andre Miller and Dwayne Wade.
David Berri's Wins Produced statistics also show T.J. Ford to be a very capable and productive NBA point guard.
A WP48 of 0.100 is considered average. So by this measure, Ford was above average with regards to Wins Produced in each season except for this last one.
The Pacers have not lived up to expectations since Ford joined the team, but in his previous 4 seasons his teams had a Winning Percentage of .534 and made the playoffs each time.
Ford is clearly not an All-Star point guard, and is not a player who can single-handedly push a team over the top. He is, however, an above average ball handler and distributor. He has experience running an offense and playing in big games. He is a good penetrator, excellent in transition, and has very good speed and quickness. In addition Ford is only 27 years old, and is not necessarily done developing as a player.
I fully recognize that highlight reels have no relevance to discussions of a player's weaknesses, but let's remind ourselves what T.J. Ford can do when he is playing at his best.
T.J. Ford: Disappointment with the Pacers
When Ford joined the team two summers ago, the Pacers' front office thought they had killed two birds with one stone: shedding Jermaine O'Neal's bloated contract and acquiring a starting point guard. Over the past two seasons Ford has struggled with his shooting and turnovers, losing his starting to job to Jarret Jack and Earl Watson. Things were particularly bad last year when he was benched for large portions of the season, appearing in only 47 games.
While Ford's individual numbers have declined in his two seasons in Indiana, you can see from the Ramon Sessions comparison above that they were respectable. So how did he end up at the end of the bench each of the last two seasons? Below are the Pacers' Offensive and Defensive Ratings for the last two seasons broken down by which player was playing the Point Guard position. In addition, I included the ratings for the Pacers' season as a whole and the league average.
Here the problems become obvious, particularly in the numbers for last season. In the 2008-2009 season the Pacers were awful defensively with Ford at point guard, but were very good offensively. In the 2009-2010 season the Pacers were simply terrible at both ends of the floor with Ford at point guard.
The common refrain from fans and analysts is that Ford is the wrong player for Jim O'Brien's offense. He doesn't shoot the ball well and is not as effective without the ball in his hands. My issue with this explanation is Earl Watson. The Pacers were much more effective withWatson at point guard last year. Watson is also a sub 30% 3PT shooter and who doesn't play well off the ball. Ford actually shot the ball for a better percentage last season, and they turned the ball over at an identical rate. Watson's supposed strength was defense but the team was nearly as bad defensively with Watson on the floor as Ford. Ford was the starter at the beginning of the season when the team struggled. Watson was the starter at the end of the season when the team went on a successful run. If their statistical production was similar can we really attribute the team's improved play to Watson's individual production? Is it possible that Watson was the simply the beneficiary of a team gelling around him, and teammates returning from injuries and hitting their stride late in the season?
In a post, from a few weeks ago, at Hickory High, I compared the production of each of the Pacers to the league average for their position. The areas where Ford's production was extremely below average were scoring efficiency. His usage rate has declined each of the past 3 seasons which explains some of the decrease in individual production. C
learly the current Pacers' offensive system doesn't maximize Ford's skills or allow him to use those skills to make his teammates better. The coaching staff hasn't seemed to make adjustments for Ford's abilities, and he hasn't made noticeable progress in improving any of his weaknesses. But this doesn't mean things can't change for this upcoming season.
T.J. Ford: Maximizing Skills in 2010-2011
Looking at these numbers there are some clear positives and negatives. Turnovers were a problem across the board, and he struggled mightily hitting the spot-up jumpshot. On the other hand Ford was very effective handling the ball in the pick and roll, and pushing the in transition. I was surprised to see his numbers on isolation possessions be so low. I watched some video of these possessions on Synergy and saw roughly two-thirds of them end with Ford pulling up for a jumpshot. This led me to look at his shot selection for the past few seasons.
The percentage of his shots taken at the rim has remained consistent, but last year saw a rise in the number of long jumpshots. The steady increase in the percentage of his shots which were 3PTs is also a bad sign.
Despite any lingering frustrations from fans, the Pacers' coaching staff is stocked with professionals. If the Pacers are going to have a successful season with Ford at the helm, it's incumbent on both the coaches and Ford to make changes. Cutting down on turnovers and attacking the rim need to be focal points for Ford. The coaching staff can emphasize this point in practice and through their playcalling. Ford has demonstrated that he isn't capable of consistently making spot-up three pointers. It should be the job of the coaching staff to keep him out of situations where he is forced or encouraged to take those shots. The Pacers should continue to run, a good situation for Ford. In the half-court, focus on keeping him involved in the pick and roll. If they want to run half-court possessions through Roy Hibbert, then make sure Ford is cutting to the basket or moving to open space, not camping out behind the three point line.
Ford needs to be making a conscious effort to attack the rim at every opportunity. The Pacers have suffered from a severely negative free throw differential the past few seasons. Ford has the potential to help out in this area. His career high for FTA/36 was 4.7, put up in his first season in Toronto. A serious effort should be made to push this number above 5.0 this season.
There doesn't seem to be as much room for improvement but for the sake of being thorough, let's look at his defensive possessions as well.
T.J. Ford has a distinct ceiling at the defensive end. His lack of height and strength will always be exploited by smart teams, either by putting him in the post, shooting over the top of him ,or working him off screens. That being said he is clearly an effective on ball defender, sporting a ridiculous 24.4 TO% on isolation plays. Hopefully, improved team defense next season will help compensate for some of his individual defensive weaknesses.
Ford has a unique skill set, unmatched by any player on the current roster. Both he and the team haven't made the necessary adjustments to maximize his skills, but that doesn't mean it can't happen this season.
Summation:
As the available free agent point guard field has continued to shrink. There has been much frustration from fans at the team's lack of action. Below is a short list of point guards who have been signed to new contracts this summer.
Derek Fisher - 3yrs. - 10.5 Million
Jordan Farmar - 3yrs. - 12 Million
Raymond Felton - 2yrs. - 16 Million
Steve Blake - 4yrs. - 16 Million
Randy Foye - 2yrs. - 8 Million
Chris Duhon - 4yrs. - 15 Million
Luke Ridnour - 4yrs. - 16 Million
Kyle Lowry - 4yrs. - 24 Million
Nate Robinson - 2yrs. - 8 Million
C.J. Watson - 3yrs. - 10.5 Million
Keyon Dooling - 2yrs. - ?? Million
There's not a player on that list with as much potential to be a top flight point guard as T.J. Ford. I might be in the minority, but I would much rather give Ford one more season to turn things around then tie the future of the team to any of those players as a long term solution.
Despite past failures, T.J. Ford will likely be handed the Pacers' starting point guard position for the third year in a row. There is no room for excuses, with his major competition coming from Lance Stephenson, a rookie and natural shooting guard, and a second-year pro, A.J. Price, returning from a serious knee injury.
If Ford plays well, the Pacers could chase a playoff seed in the East, if he struggles they can chase a high draft pick. I don't accept the simple explanation that he is the wrong player in the wrong system. He's too talented a player. T.J. you still have at least one fan in Indiana! Let's go get that 8th seed!
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I wish I was still as optimistic about tj
Its hard to be excited about a guy who has lost his starting position three years in a row. While I believe we can make the playoffs with him running the point he remains the biggest obstacle along with obie
by Cali Davi on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like the Sessions pick up
Worst case is he is a solid backup over three years. He can surely bridge us from the TJ Ford-next PG era.
Sessions is younger than Hansboro, Rush and only a few months older than Hibbert.
The upside is still there.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Sessions should never shoot the 3.
I can’t believe he’s worse than TJ at that. I have no problem with this, if he can contribute in his contract year. Still, rather see Lance at the point.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jul 21, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad
someone with knowledge spoke up on this. I’ve been feeling it deep down for awhile myself but don’t have the guts to go public.
I was a big Ford fan before he got here. He helped two teams make the playoffs. Then somehow he got terrible on Indiana. I haven’t seen many games since moving away so I don’t know what really happened, but we do know O’Brien has really struggled developing young talent. So, it’s not too far-fetched to think it’s HIM that needs to to work better with Ford.
At some point our “system” needs to adapt. People panned the Pacers’ picks cuz they didn’t fit with our system. The only problem is our system has done nothing positive in years. Maybe the draft was the first indication they’re willing to adjust their strategy. Revisiting Ford seems to fit in line with that as well.
When Ford came, everyone thought he would fit well in Jim O’Brien’s scheme.
Playing up tempo should be amazing for him.
What went wrong?
Pacers Forever
I think the team defense was awful in 2008-2009.
He wasn’t that bad, but the perception of him as a terrible defender led to Jack taking over. (He was pretty bad defensively but Jack wasn’t any better.) Last season he started the season in a slump, sunk deeper, lost his job and then lost interest by the time any scraps of playing time were available. As I said above Watson’s numbers were very similar, for some reason that might not be measurable, the team gelled around Watson at the end of the season.
They want him to pass first and shoot 3’s…. both not for TJ. Jim O’Brien is an idiot for not compensating.
And yet in summer league JOB told Lance...
…to look to score first, then if that’s taken away, to look for open teammates. JOB puzzles me.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
Agree
I have thought this since may. Almost every point guard trade that people have thought up on this website is for a lesser player than TJ Ford. If the Pacers can’t improve thier position, why would they make a deal? The smart thing is to go with Ford. He is in his contract year, and he will play his a** off. Everyones going to say, “Where has this guy been?” Most of the names bouncing around are back up guys anyway, and we have two cheap options for back up PG.
The problem with that is
TJ can’t play 48 minutes per night. He has also been injury prone.
So if you can get a 23/24 year old prospect to share the position with him. Why not do it?
TJ will be gone after next season. Maybe Sessions can show enough to be the PG of the future. Worst case is he can handle minutes while we break in a rookie PG in 2012.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Uhhhh...no
Ian, this is great work as always, but the problem with TJ is TJ. He can put up number, but basically he’s an offense killer. As you note, he really needs the ball in his hands, but the defense is perfectly happy to allow him to keep the ball.
Defenses have learned that he’s not a particularly effective finisher, and they recognize that his size really hurts his vision, so they largely stay at home when he penetrates. He does have an effective pull up, but as you know from looking at Hoopdata, that’s a shot defenses will be perfectly happy allowing somebody to shoot.
Basically, with him at the point, the defense can sit back in Roy’s lap, and wait for him to do something. The PnR is handled by simply going under the screen, all the time, which further clogs things. The solution to this is for him to give up the ball, move, then look to get it back, but he simply doesn’t do it. Then everybody stops, and the offense just dies.
Defensively, he’s actually not horrible when he focuses, but he doesn’t do that anywhere near regularly enough. Also, you have to be kind of careful about some of your numbers. Ford’s FGA’s dropped by about 1/3 this year, so the percentages will more volatile re: shot locations.
More importantly, there’s a bit of an asterisk on the DefRtg numbers you’re using for Watson vs. Ford. In that, you’re basically showing Watson’s 107.5 isn’t much better than Ford’s 108.1, which is true.
However, Ford got heavy minutes during the November 5-game winning streak against just horrific competition. The Pacers’ defensive numbers were impressive during those games (DefRtg of 93.4), but that was really more of a function of horrific offense from horrific teams. in fact, the one quality win in that stretch against Boston had a DefRtg of 113.4.
Therefore, if you take those 5 games out of both players’ numbers, Ford’s DefRtg increases to 110.0, while Watson’s only moves to 108.1.
Also, take a look at Ford’s impact on Toronto’s offense the last year he was there:
http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?id=47&year=2007-2008
The Raps averaged about 107.5 per 100 with him on the floor, but 110.8 with him off the floor. Also, they were 22-29 in games he played, but 19-12 in games he missed.
We may end up being stuck with Ford this season, but that won’t be a good thing.
by count55 on Jul 21, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wow
It’s like some of you forgot how bad TJ is already.
1. He can’t play defense. None. Period. He is our worst guard at defending the pick and roll. Not only does this facilitate the opponent’s scoring, it almost always puts our bigs into foul trouble.
2. He. Does. Not. Pass. Ever.
3. He’s easily the most mentally weak player we have. He constantly shuts it down if we are losing. Watch him on the bench pout. When we get behind and he’s on the court, look out! 1 on 1 bullshit in route….and then more pouting.
TJ can look better on the stat sheets...
…the stats don’t show everything. He’s definatley no floor general. Ices out his teammates, not a terrible on the ball defender, but bad on defending pick and roll and defending in the post. Absorbs the basketball, ect… I was screaming on this blog last year for Earl to start long before JOB finally started him….but, if all we can get are comparable players, maybe we should stay pat.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
I honestly don't care if the Pacers win this year.
I care about the future. Let’s not tie up cap space in a slightly above average point guard. Let’s look long-term. I believe that TJ and Stevenson should have open competition for the PG spot. With positive news on AJ Price’s progress, TJ, Stevenson, and Price will get us through the year. We either win or we’re bound for a lottery position.
My goal this year: Prepare for the future.
You guys have to realize.. there’s no glory in making the playoffs this year, even if it helps the fan base. We’re not going anywhere, soon.
Barring any trades
This will be the core of our 2011-2012 line-up.
C: Hibbert
PF: Hansbrough, Rolle
SF: Granger
SG: George, Rush, Jones
PG: Stevenson, Price
We could definitely use some help. We’ll have some cap space, but again, my point, we’re not going anywhere soon so just make moves that make the future brighter. Who cares about now.
by MillerTime31 on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree in principle
30 year old Watson and Danthay signings last year were I’ll advised.
However Sessions turned 24 last month. He could potentially be the PG of the future. He’s younger than our last 2 Lotto picks for crissakes. Plus he’s already had a better NBA career than either of those guys.
What’s the downside?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess there isn't really a downside
Especially in adding another asset, I just want to get Stephenson some time at the point. I think he could be lost in the shuffle if we pick up a guy like Sessions.
by MillerTime31 on Jul 21, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If Stephenson becomes the answer then he will play
Better to let him develop at his own pace. He’s only 19 and a second round pick.
I’d be cool with him developing in Ft. Wayne for a bulk of next season.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
The downside is Sessions is identical to Ford in the way he plays basketball. We’re replacing a 1 year contract for 3 more years of a player who will sit the bench.
If Sessions can’t start – or even be the second PG in Minnesota – then he’s not the answer to the search for a starter.
He’s too small, can’t shoot, and plays poor defense: carbon copy of TJ Ford.
The FAULK
by incredibleFAULK on Jul 21, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone says pass first.
But Ford has more assist, so It seems like Ford passes it more.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jul 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I've been harping
Do what it takes to get the best pick possible next season as well as more draft picks. I am more than fine with playing TJ and even letting him dominate the ball and be a ball hog if it makes him look like a competent PG who another team would trade a pick for. If he is too good and we can’t move him, buy him out or let him rot on the bench while we TANK.
I also want to start TJ, but only to raise his trade value...
Ford holds one of our most valuable expiring contracts, and if he shows that he might have the capability to be a competent playoff component the situation could be right for Ford to attract a solid draft pick well above his value as a player (Maybe even a late first rounder from a playoff team). He needs to get minutes this season because we could turn him into the young depth that we need on this team. He wants to earn a contract with a new team as bad as we want him to prove himself worthy of a draft pick. TJ is about as good as anyone we could sign, and there’s no long term solution at PG out there in free agency right now.
TJ Ford is about to be in his 7th season
We are not going to convince anyone he’s something he’s not by playing him 35 minutes a night for 30 some games. Especially since he’ll always be exactly what he’s always been. I keep telling people, he’s not some well kept secret on the end of a bench his whole career, he’s had major minutes at every stop in his career and has been run out of town each time.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ The sky is falling!
Lance Stephenson was running point
In this video, Lance Stephenson talks about running point for the Pacers while he was in summer league:
I liked his answer about the PG position.
Not a regular at interviews tho.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jul 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

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