IC Cold Links: Keeping An Eye On Bobcats And Raptors Deal; Pacers' CIB Deal Roundup
by Tom Lewis on Jul 13, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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The Bobcats have been a team to monitor this summer since they expressed an interest in T.J. Ford at the trade deadline last year. With Raymond Felton joining the New York Knicks, the Bobcats remain a plausible destination for the Pacers' point guard. As fate would have it, his Ford's old running mate in Toronto may beat him out for the spot with the Bobcats.
Yesterday, reports surfaced that Toronto and Charlotte were closing in on a deal to send Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler to the Raptors in exchange for point guard Jose Calderon, Reggie Evans and some part of a trade exception the Raptors have from Chris Bosh's departure for Miami. This morning, there's a glimmer of hope (hope that the Pacers' are making a push behind the scenes to involve T.J.) because Michael Jordan is reportedly having second thoughts and holding out for more in return.
If the deal goes through, there might still be hope depending on how much of a trade exception the Bobcats receive. I'm talking about a dream scenario where the Pacers' take advantage of Larry Brown's impatience with young point guards and the Pacers trade Ford for Augustin and enough of the trade exception to make up the deal work. The Pacers get a healthy point guard with a TEAM option next year, so if he works out you bring him back on the cheap, if not, no problem. Then you have a trade exception that doesn't take up a roster spot to sweeten any other deals for expiring contracts.
This would require a major push from Larry Brown to think he can handle two veteran point guards who battled for playing time together in Toronto. Plus, they'd have about $18 million tied up in the point next year. Hey, I said it was a dream scenario. If nothing else, Toronto fans would enjoy following the situation.
After the jump, a few links of interest including stories and chatter about the Pacers' CIB deal and other free agent news.
How will CIB pay for for $33.5M deal with Pacers?
Frecesca Jarosz digs into the numbers from the CIB to see where the money will come from for the deal. Fortunately the CIB is on better financial footing than when this whole discussion started last year.
Hibbert won't miss work
Indy Star report on Roy Hibbert's knee and other NBA notes including several Pacers conducting clinics around town.
Pacers $30,000,000 Deal With City Keeps Franchise in Indy for 3 Years
Russ McQuaid reports on the CIB deal.
Check out some local podcast for discussions with business journalists on the CIB deal. JMV spoke with Gerry Dick yesterday and Mark Patrick talked with Anthony Shoettle and Gerry Dick
James, Cavs saga leaves all involved looking the worse for it
Bob Kravitz closes the book on LeBron's decision.
Jose Calderon trade would address Charlotte Bobcats' gap at point guard
Rick Bonnell is tracking Charlotte's offseason activity.
NBA.com: Jazz close to acquiring Al Jefferson from Wolves
David Aldridge reports on Utah closing in on a deal to land Al Jefferson from Minnesota for their Carlos Boozer trade exception.
Udoh Surgery on Wednesday to Repair Torn Ligament
Marcus Thompson has the bummer news for rookie Ekpe Udoh who will be out 4-6 months.
David Stern Sounds Off on LeBron Quarrel; Potential Lockout Looms -- NBA FanHouse
Sam Amick reports on the commissioner's, ahem, stern words for all of the LeBron happenings last week.
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I know I am naive optimist
But isn’t anyone interested in seeing Lance develop into a PG instead of getting someone like Augustin? Lance could be so unique at the position and create so many mismatches.. whereas we KNOW what we’ll get with these vets. Isn’t that worth taking a chance on?? I might be getting too excited about what Lance did in measly summer league, but it sure got me more excited than picking up some mediocre vet (lets be honest, that’s all that’s available) and having Lance rot on the pine, vintage JOB style. I would like to see the Pacers take a chance on this.
When you think about it, TJ is the perfect guy to have to facilitate this track of development in Lance because he knows he’s in his last year with the Pacers and would be playing for a contract next year. TJ could start to alleviate some pressure on Lance in the beginning. Let TJ get some numbers and then trade him at the deadline to a team looking for cap relief. If Lance isn’t panning out, get a PG in the trade. If he is, try to get some help down low and let Lance take over.
Am I being unrealistic? This just makes too much sense to me…
Like it Tom
I would do this deal all day I was talking about the Bobcats Pacer deal on my fan post. So yes I agree that I would love to get a young PG who is going to be hungry to prove his game. I also think with Augustin, Price, and Stephenson together it makes them all compete harder 3 guys working hard to be the man and prove there game to us and the NBA. Like you said if Augustin does not work out we have a Team option next year so we would be in the same situation nothing hurts us here. Brown well get a new PG no matter what he does not roll with unproven young guys. I hope they still have some interest in Ford.
by Pacerlove333 on Jul 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it is a bit naive
TJ’s about to be on his 7th year in the league. He’s gotten major minutes at every stop along the way. He isn’t Portland JO where he’s been sitting the bench and has a lot of untapped potential. Teams know what he is, him putting up some numbers (assuming he does) for the half the year wouldn’t, at least shouldn’t, change any GM’s perception of him.
Hey, 3 year plan y'know
I would have to disagree with that somewhat
GMs constantly give players generous contracts based on productive contract seasons. Yes TJ got major minutes before and prior to getting to the Pacers he had never missed the playoffs and averaged 15 and 5 (similar numbers to Ray Felton who just got a fat contract). That’s a pretty nice resume compared to the likes of Kyle Lowry, Luke Ridnour, Jordan Farmar, Carlos Arroyo, or whatever mediocre PG might be available. You don’t think if he could put up 16 and 6 teams wouldn’t be interested in that? Plus, whoever we’d trade with wouldn’t be signing TJ as their future PG necessarily.. he’d offer a lot of cap relief going into a possible lockout season.
If it were only so easy
I think the Pacers relationship with Ford his pretty much done. I think they want to move away from him as soon as they can. Not because Ford does not have talent or skill but just because of they way he fits in with us. I like what Lance has shown us so far I really do but the PG position at the NBA level is going to be unlike anything he has played before. I guess I do not really see Ford trying to be a part time role model to the young guys and help them develop Ford would be playing ball for Ford to get what he wants out of Indy.
by Pacerlove333 on Jul 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
One Big problem,
T.J. doesn’t fit our system because he can’t shoot the three. JOB wants a PG who can launch the three ball when given an open look. Guess what Lance doesn’t do well, that’s right he can’t shoot the three ball. So again we’d be in the same situation that we’re in now.
I was worrying about that too
But was then reminded of all of the the great PGs that don’t shoot threes well:
Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Tyreke Evans, Tony Parker, Devin Harris, Andre Miller.
Now, not saying Lance will necessarily be in this realm, but if we got any of these players it would placate our need at PG, right? JOB should approach using Lance in a similar fashion if one of these players were to magically appear on the Pacers. Lance makes plays, plain and simple, and that’s what we need-
I agree
That you don’t have to be a great three point shooter to play the point. However I think JOB believes it so as long as he’s our coach we’ll probably keep trying to find someone who can shoot it even if they can’t pass worth a damn.
+1
Hell, I think shooting the 3 is even his preferred criteria for a center.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
JOB system
People always talk about how TJ Ford doesn’t fit in JOB’s system then turn around and talk about how he’s a terrible coach. JOB needs to adopt a new system because it didn’t work in Boston, Philly, or Indy. Maybe that’s why Ford hasn’t worked out.
by rucksgotgame on Jul 13, 2010 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That’s exactly why Ford hasn’t worked out. I mean how far would he go to sit PG’s who can’t shoot the 3? Speaking of the players BenD mentioned, how many of those players would he bench cause they can’t shoot the 3? Would he bench Derrick Rose? Rajon Rondo? Russell Westbrook? How far would this idiot go with his obsession of three’s?
if we had drafted rondo back in the day
i guarantee JOB would have him rot on the bench for years and would not be a household name right now
Speaking of Charlotte
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/18457897982
Tyson Chandler and Alex Ajinca to Dallas for Erick Dampier, Eduardo Najera, and Matt Carroll. What an awful trade.
Hey, 3 year plan y'know
I couldn't find the Enter button
Nice, work!
The FAULK
by incredibleFAULK on Jul 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there goes that dream, Tom
From Adrian Wojnarowski’s Twitter page
Charlotte has traded Tyson Chandler and Alex Ajinca to Dallas for Dampier, Matt Carroll and Najera, a league source tells Y! Sports.
The FAULK
by incredibleFAULK on Jul 13, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
You never know
They did trade for Dampiers expiring deal, maybe they’d like to have Fords as well…we can hope.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
Hornets just fired their GM Jeff Bower
Wonder how that effects Collison’s availability?
Hey, 3 year plan y'know
One question
Is Augustin really an upgrade? Seems TJ and Augustin have similar size and style. I rather dump TJ for a draft pick.
Hmm..
Augustin can shoot the ball better than Ford. He actually has three range, so he would fit better for sure.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jul 13, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee
wherever TJ Ford goes after he leaves the Pacers he will look great. JOB is terrible at adjusting to his players talents and strengths..The guy is an idiot. Ford is a very good point guard in fact he is alot better than alot of the free agents out there right now and the joke is JOB is too stubborn to play him and let him do what he does best and play his style.
It is no secret.
JOB is an stubborn idiot. It’s actually on his business card.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jul 13, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
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