Free Instant Championship Contention Plan Inside!
.... Okay for starters.... the guys who are iffy on getting Chris Paul..... step back..... and smack the hell out of yourself until you realize what you're thinking. This guys is arguably the best PG in the league. Amazing defender, great scorer, lightning quick, he's 25, sees the floor like a coach, great leader, and to top it off he would be as amazing to our community as anyone else in the association. I understand not wanting to take cap.... but dear god. Honestly we have the best package of players to send to the Hornets if they want to get rid of long contracts. The four big final year contracts of Foster, Dunleavy, Murphy, and Ford have to at least perk the ears of George Shinn and anyone else who plans to rid themselves of the duties of owning this franchise in it's apparent crossroads. I'm sure most of you have read my deal so far on here but I'm laying it all on the line right here, right now. (Plus a fun tweak!)
New Orleans Hornets recieve:
PG: T.J. Ford
SG/SF: Mike Dunleavy
PF/C: Jeff Foster
2011 and 2012 1st round picks
Indiana Pacers recieve:
PG: Chris Paul
PF/C: Emeka Okafor
SF: James Posey
That gives us:
PG: Chris Paul/ Try and sign back Earl Watson/ AJ Price
SG: Paul George/ Dahntay Jones/ Lance Stephenson
SF: Danny Granger/ James Posey/ Brandon Rush/ Magnum Rolle
PF: Emeka Okafor/ Tyler Hansbrough/ Josh McRoberts
C: Roy Hibbert/ Troy Murphy/ Solomon Jones
This is 16 people.... I'll get to that.
Not only does this trade take 30 million dollars off of New Orleans after next year but the deal also shaves off 6 million instantly (which they would love). The only reason I say two first rounders is cause if we did this trade I guarantee you we'd be picking later than 20 and New Orleans would know that. There's 16 guys on here. I was thinking just to cut Solo. Here's some fun reasons why this team is so cool!
- Paul and Danny can pretty much play 3 positions each and that will really help with injury.
- Emeka, Roy,and Troy would switch out at the big's spots. Just when Troy's at the 4 the other two can play center then when it's Roy and Emeka, Emeka will play the power forward.
- Scary D, especially with the starters. Emeka and Roy are enforcers. So when players are driving and watching them Danny and Paul have the ability to come from the side and swat the ball into the 3rd row. Not to mention probably the best defensive 1 in the league cause he's an absolute thief on the court. Not to mention Earl, Tyler, and Dahntay who are just plain tough.
-Scary Offense too, I mean Danny's one of the scariest wings in the game already. Chris Paul is just as frightening. Emeka, Troy, and Roy will grab you a couple points. Then the sky's the limit with Paul George...
- Top it off.... at the wing, the point, and the big position we have a leader. Roy, Chris, and Danny will keep this team on track on and off the court.
If we drop Jim O'Brien.... I GUARANTEE a trip to at least the Eastern Conference Finals next year.
Your thoughts my good people!
(Money's pretty ugly.... anybody got any idea to slash cap?)
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I posted a reply to you in another thread, but I’ll repeat myself:
Several Problems:
1. Payroll: It’s up near $75 million with Tinsley’s pro-rated final buyout year. That ain’t good, as the luxury tax threshold is probably going to be what, $69 mil? That means the Pacers, who DON’T make any profits, even in the best of times, will have to swallow a $6-7 million dollar-for-dollar tax for a year, just by fielding this roster, when they’d be paying $0 in luxury taxes if they played it safe, which is quite easy to do, given it’s what they pretty much do every off-season. I’m not saying the $6-$7 million wouldn’t be worth it in potential season ticket returns, but like I said, they don’t make profits even when they sell out, so to me, if I own the team, losing a guaranteed $7ish million this year to taxes is absolutely not going to pay for itself, and is not worth it in the short term.
2. The Longterm: You’ve basically mortgaged the entire future to acquire Paul. Not only are you giving up on two straight years of draft picks (albeit draft picks in the 20s, probably) but bringing back deadweight salary in Okafor and Posey. Again, from an ownership standpoint, this is only excusable if I have a championship guarantee. I’m willing to give to get, of course, but I’ve got to really believe that bringing in Paul is going to put me in the conversation, or else I’m just wasting money and years of Danny Granger’s life. This brings me to my next point…
3. I think you are completely wrong about what adding Paul does to Indiana’s championship aspirations. First of all, you’re basically saying a 30-win team is a great PG away from title contention. That’s well and good, and may be true, but truth be told, if we did this deal, and lost Paul at the wrong time (like down the stretch while fighting for a top playoff seed, or God forbid, during the playoffs) thanks to his unreliable and rapidly depleting knee carteledge who would be our Darren Collison, able to come in and nearly seamlessly take over for him? Earl Watson? Hmm…seems like that roster, sans Paul, is pretty much the roster we went 30-52 with last year, only instead of a PF who unnecessarily shoots too many threes and plays no defense, we get one who’s a good defender but can’t score under any circumstance. Remember, Paul is no guarantee to be worth his contract in games played. He’s been durable thus far (until last year) but there’s every reason to believe he’s got chronic knee problems, from what we’ve heard. If he misses just 10-15 games, you’re basically expecting Earl Watson to lead a team that is one year removed from 30-win territory into playoff legitimacy? I don’t think so. That’s too shaky a success plan if I’m a business owner. This leads me to my next point…
4. Not only is this team, with or without Paul, no lock to make the Finals in any given year, it’s even less likely that it could make the finals (especially with O’Brien’s atrocious coaching) any time in the next 5 or 6 years (or in otherwords, for the rest of Granger and Paul’s primes). For Indiana to get a top-4 seed next season, it would realistically have to be as good or better than EVERY Eastern Conference team except whichever team LeBron lands on, whichever team Wade lands on and either the Magic or a Celtics team that’s ready to make another run. Not realistic, given the chance Paul could miss significant time (b/c remember, we already established that without him this new roster of your hopelessly sucks like it did last year). Not only that, but once Indiana does improbably score a top-4 seed, you’re saying Paul makes it possible for the Pacers to compete with LeBron, Wade, the Magic and/or Celtics…not effing happening. At least not in 7-game serieses and not with this coach.
My take: I’d happily cheer for this team, and hold it to lofty expectations, but it’s unlikely it would do much other than fizzle out in the semis after getting at best a three seed.
My solution: Be patient. Fire the coach. Get younger. Be smart. Wait for LeBron and the rest of the dominant ‘04 class (and other Eastern Conference superstuds) to start to fade a little, then make your move. I know it sucks, but this is too shaky, both financially and competitively, to be an “instant championship” plan. I’d rather field a 42-48 win, middle seeded team for five years that had youngsters that are fun to watch, then hope they’re mature and good enough in five years to compete, then sell the entire farm for an injury-prone dude and his overpaid teammates right now.
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A la the Atlanta Hawks. How many years did they muck around in Mediocrityville? I see the Pacers as following their footsteps.
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by incredibleFAULK on Jun 27, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
right on Luke. The way to rebuild a team is through the draft. There is no way the Pacers will be able to contend in the East immediately, so we’re better off waiting, getting younger, and getting a good core in place.
by 2ndBlueGeneration on Jun 27, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean I get what ur worried about but no team is immuned from injury. Kobe, Lebron, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, CP3, if any of those guys are hurt then you can kiss contention goodbye. Plus, more then half of those players have injury concerns. Also I’m not saying we’d be instant champions but our names would at least be in the conversation….. as long as we fire JOB.
Eh
If your plan succeeds, how COULD they fire him? He’d field a contender?
Also, all those guys you mentioned come from contenders that are much, much deeper, with much, much fewer injury problems than this roster.
Kobe-NEVER seriously injured, plus he’s got a HOF coach and an unbeatable Gasol/Bynum/Artest/Odom core…quite worth the luxury tax.
LeBron-NEVER seriously injured, plus he’s the best player in the game
Howard-NEVER seriously injured, plus he’s not his team’s best player, not by a long-shot, he’s just their best post defender…his impact on the game is not as important as the PG’s.
Amare-Here’s one with injury concerns, but he’s by no means the best player on his team. I think that honor goes to multi-MVP Steve Nash, who pretty much made Amare who he is today. Take away Nash and Phoenix is screwed, take away Stoudemire…eh, just replace him with another athletic big who runs the floor and hope the scoring dropoff isn’t any more than 8 points per game (it’s not like Amare rebounds, passes or plays defense, really). Don’t believe me? Just watch next season when Amare gets overpaid somewhere else and Phoenix barely skips a beat.
Paul-Take him away, and well, we saw what happened…his team missed the playoffs last year, which is what would happen to this Pacers team if he missed a lot of time. You need more than just one truly great player (which Paul is, and Granger sadly isn’t) if you want to contend for a title. You need a few, some have to be role players (Artest/Odom/Bynum), some have to be complimentary scorers (Gasol), some have to be wiley vets with playoff experience (Fisher) and most importantly, you have to have a coach who isn’t functionally retarded.
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Also
I don’t think Foster would pass a physical, which I believe is a requirement for a trade.
And I’m not willing to get rid of two future draft picks when Paul could get injured one year, and make them lottery picks.
And why would you keep McRoberts and not Solomon Jones when you don’t have to pay McRoberts’ salary? That’s one way to shave close to a mil off your cap number.
Another way (since you asked): Trade Rush and Sol Jones (combined close to $4 mil) to Boston for Rasheed Wallace, who will retire and immediately come off the books. Still too much salary, but it’s a start.
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OOOOOO….. like that add on….. then we don’t have to cut a player either. Also at the end of next year we just let Murph walk. that takes of 11mil. I get the salary is huge…. but it’s pretty much a requirement to have a ridiculously high payroll to win a ring.
true that
to the payroll comment. Boston, LA, Orlando and Phoenix all came close or paid the luxury tax last year.
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My whole point has bee, however
That this, despite paying the luxury tax, doesn’t safely ensure us a title shot with the other competition we’d have in the East. Let’s say we had a chance at Paul and another top tier free agent PF like Amare or Boozer (even though I hate both of them). That, at least on paper, would be a title contender, and worth paying dollar-for-dollar taxes. But there are such few assets on this team, it’s impossible to field a Chicago Bulls-like free agent mini-army. So I say don’t blow your wad trying.
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you're forgetting a huge issue
yeah, chris paul is amenable to a trade.. but to a contender only. no way he ever, EVER agrees to come to a struggling pacers franchise. only way he leaves NO is if he goes to play with lebron, wade, kobe, dwight, or carmelo. those are the only teams he would approve a trade to. creative idea, but CP doesn’t care about whether what NO gets back is fair.. he is only leaving if he goes to a dream situation.
If he could play with Danny, Emeka, Troy, Roy, and Earl? I think he would be excited about that. He’s around a hell of a lot less talent in New Orleans and is completely loyal. I mean damn he plays with Emeka (which in this trade he would come to us anyway) and then there’s David West and Darren Collison and that’s about it…. Marcus Thornton’s okay…. Also he doesn’t have a “No Trade Clause” so he has no right to turn it down… even though it would be nice for him to come peacefully. I just know he wants to win… that’s it, and he has a hell of a lot better chance here then a roster who has less talent and is only going to get worse to unload salary. But, I think it does put us up there… Boston’s losing their edge. Who knows where Lebron will be so the Cavs might be useless. Orlando’s tough but they got majorly exposed in this playoffs. With the Magic’s 3 point shooting it would be tough to get shots over Danny and Paul, plus if Chris is on his game he could destroy their defense one pass at a time. Atlanta might be a tough matchup with their athleticism and who knows what’s goin down in Miami? I’ve just seen the 2011 free agency and anything realistic blows.
i think you're overvaluing our talent a little bit
our talent is pretty comparable, the only noticeable upgrade being DG. your trade idea is creative, for sure, but i gotta think paul would not agree to a trade unless he goes to play with one of his elite buddies…
I think we’ve got talent. I think if we had a different coach we would’ve snuck into the playoffs. Then add probably the best point guard in the league, a damn good big, and then drafting an extremely talented Paul George? There’s no way we’re below the 4th spot in the east if we were to let go of Jim O’Brien. I mean who knows what the East will look like and if it goes the right way for us I could see us going 2nd in the east or even 1st. Just depends where everybody goes.
You're on drugs
No offense, but LeBron just needed himself to put the Cavs in first place, and if you remember, Wade just needed to be healthy for a season to win a championship. LeBron with Rose, Noah and perhaps Bosh is a 65+ win team. Then there’s wherever Wade ends up (probably Miami) with just one other good free agent…if he stays healthy that’s a 55+ win team. You can pencil Orlando for 50-55 wins as long as they don’t regress and of course the Celtics proved everyone wrong last year. With Rondo as good as he is, that squad probably has one more 50-win season. Then you’ve got to assume one of the other free agents (like Joe Johnson, Boozer or Amare Stoudemire) will help make a team like New Jersey push for 45 or more wins, or Atlanta stay in that range if they re-sign Johnson. The Bucks are on the upswing; they’ll probably be good for 44-48 wins. The East isn’t what it used to be. It’s actually sort of competitive now, or at least it’s getting there. Adding Paul and getting rid of O’Brien MAY make the Pacers a 50-win lock, but again, what about our contingency plan if Paul gets injured? And what about a 50-win team in the LeBron/Howard/Wade triangle conference appeals to Paul?
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4th spot is pretty friggin optimistic
Orlando, Boston, Lebron’s team (Bulls?), and maybe Miami will be the class of the east. We could sneak into the playoffs, but maybe they’ll surprise us.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Jun 29, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
roy hibbert
is better than emeka okafor? thats a stretch, dude. and david west blows murph out of the water. marcus thorton is 100% better than brandon rush. like i said… hardly any upgrade between us and NO
Well if we did that trade we’d have Emeka. I’m saying his team now… compared to our team after the trade. So David West, Okafor, Collison, and Thornton…. compared to Granger, Hibbert, Okafor, George, Murphy. Sure we don’t have any draft picks anymore and it’s extremely unlikely…. but it’s fun to think about.
We’d have quite a few years for contention too especially if Chris Paul were to re-sign. I mean check out how old these guys are:
CP3: 25
Danny: 27 (but shooter last longer)
Roy: 23
Emeka: 27
Paul George: 20
Those would be our main peices and they could be intact for a long time.
i dont understand why anyone would not make this trade.
Pay the luxary tax this year. show the city you are willing to pay a little over to win a championshp. I know that everyone is wondering how anyone can win with lebron and wade having dominant teams. I say this. we didnt care that we were overwhelmed with chicago the first time, but we still put a team together everyyear and even went over to compete with them. In this city we just need a winner. we would all love going to the eastern finals every year. Posey and Okafor are not dead salaries. They are good players. Okafor can be great. Think of that starting lineup.
Paul
George
Granger
Okafor
Roy
Thats a sick lineup even for a lebron chicago team to deal with. Plus we would have a hundred time better bench and be able to not lose a step when our bench came in and that would give us the chance to win every night. I say do it and give every little bit you have to get it done.
Madness I say
Chris Paul will not be traded, ever. No Mo Pete = Hornets under the cap. Trading Paul is the permanent death of the NBA in New Orleans.
I am likely to overreact tonight. If I seem crazy, well, it's only temporary.
See…. I was on you’re side before saying that he will never go anywhere, stop dreaming, look elsewhere. But, with this current situation…. I actually see it as possible. The Hornets are on their way to shaving cap and not making a better team which Paul has said that if that’s the way they were going, he would request a trade. Owner George Shinn of the Hornets is planning on selling the team and no one will take them team if their in a terrible cap situation. They get rid of Posey’s and Emeka’s contract. Then they will have two first round picks in the next two drafts. Add that with Darren Collison and that’s not bad.
We just disagree I guess
You think Paul getting dealt’s possible, I don’t. I know it’s George Shinn and the last thing he cares about is keeping his team in a city but I just don’t see it. Is a gutted roster, albeit an extremely cheap one with a couple 20 something 1st rounders from us, more attractive to a buyer than what they have now? Even if it somehow is the up is down world of the NBA I’ve gotta think there’re better offers out there for him.
I am likely to overreact tonight. If I seem crazy, well, it's only temporary.
Even if it cant work, its still a good idea
And ideas is exactly what we need. If everybody in the east upgrades, then I personally dont think that we stand a chance by swaping role player for role player. Granger needs a star to help him before he gets injured by taking on too much of a work load(like last year). I dont really care who it is, but Im just saying good Idea, youre thinking in the right direction.

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