Setting the Table for the Pacers' Summer
I was working on this post most of the day, and by the time I got it up incredibleFaulk had beaten me to it with an excellent FanPost. Check out his take as well.
As we head into the summer the NBA draft/trade/free agent rumor mill switches into overdrive. Before we get lost in this hopeful and joyous cacophony we should take stock of the current state of the team. What assets do we have? What are the undesirable assets we would like to get rid of? Where do we need upgrades? What are we willing to part with? By answering these questions we can begin to identify what are the most likely and the most reasonable scenarios to upgrade the team.
What We Have:
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2010-2011 Salary |
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$ 11,968,253 |
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$ 11,173,202 |
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$ 10,561,984 |
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$ 8,500,000 |
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$ 6,665,000 |
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$ 2,500,000 |
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$ 2,069,040 |
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$ 1,986,600 |
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$ 1,500,000 |
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$ 1,685,280 |
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$ 885,120 |
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$ 762,195 |
- Total Salary - $65,705,857 (This includes the $5,459,183 we will be paying Jamal Tinsley, and assumes T.J. Ford will exercise his player option. Also both Price and McRobert's contracts are unguaranteed for next season, meaning we could release them and have their salaries not count against the cap. I'm not advocating for it, just mentioning it.)
- Head Coach - Jim O'Brien (for at least one more season)
- 3 Empty Roster Spots
- 2010 1st Round Draft Pick
2010 2nd Round Draft Pick
2010 2nd Round Draft Pick (from Dallas)
2011 1st Round Draft Pick
2011 2nd Round Draft Pick - The rights to Erazem Lorbek and Stanko Barac, both previous Pacers draft picks which have been stashed in Europe.
- A projected $3 million dollars of space under the luxury tax threshold.
- About 1,000 Damon Bailey Pacer's jerseys that were made in 1995 and we haven't been able to unload at Pacersgear.com
What We Would Like To Unload:
- T.J. Ford, his professionalism as a 12th man, and his $8.5 million in salary.
- Murphy and/or Dunleavy, mostly in the context of hypothetical assets we could get back for their expiring contracts.
- The aforementioned Damon Bailey jerseys which are eating up an entire storeroom at Conseco.
What Are We Willing To Part With:
- This is a difficult area to predict. With the current state of the team I would like to think that everything is on the table and that there isn't anyone who's untouchable. In that spirit I decided to divide out assets into tiers.
- Tier 1 - The Vito Corleone Tier - These are the assets which we only part with for a "Godfather Offer," an offer we couldn't refuse. We would only give these up for a top tier NBA star or a Top 5 draft pick. I feel safe putting Granger into this tier after we passed on the rumored Al Jefferson deal this summer. Hibbert has shown enough potential that we would like to continue developing him. Our pick this year is too valuable from a talent upgrade standpoint.
- Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, 2010 1st Round Draft Pick - - Tier 2 - The "Love" Tier - I call this The "Love" Tier, because we love these assets, we're just not IN love with them. These assets aren't potential cornerstones but have shown the potential to be part of a playoff core down the road. To unload these we would need a chance to move up in this year's draft to target a specific player, or the chance to add a talented starting caliber player who fits a specific need on our team.
- 2011 1st Round Draft Pick, Tyler Hansbrough (Larry is not ready to admit a mistake here), A.J. Price, Josh McRoberts - - Tier 3 - The Watergate Tier - It's not The Watergate Tier because of a scandal reference, it just means we're listening. The worst case with many of these assets, especially the expiring contracts, is that we hold them until the value increases. We'll take back a player who fits a specific need. We'll take back a player who increases our general talent. We'll take back assets that create a better personnel situation for the future. The nice thing is that we aren't desperate to unload any of these. We can wait for the right offer.
- 2010 2nd Round Draft Pick (our and Dallas'), 2011 2nd Round Draft Pick, Mike Dunleavy, Jeff Foster, Dahntay Jones, Brandon Rush, Solomon Jones, The rights to our European Mystery Men - - Tier 4 - The Duran, Duran Tier -With this tier we're on the hunt and we're hungry like the wolf. One guy is in this tier because he has a huge contract, has worn out his welcome, and will likely collect a ton of money to sit on the bench next year. The other player has played really well for Indiana. But he has a lot of value as a trade asset because of his skill set and huge expiring contract. With the current state of the team he probably has more value as a trade asset then he does playing for us and taking minutes from some of our younger frontcourt players. See if you can guess which player is which.
- T.J. Ford, Troy Murphy -
What Do We Need?
Here things really open up. So much is unsettled with the Pacers that it is hard to focus in too much on specific areas of need. We have one more year, at least, of Jim O'Brien's "system" and then maybe things change drastically. Do we want to bring in players that fit what O'Brien is trying to do, if a new system or style will be instituted the next season by a different coach? Our ability to move some of the above assets also might open up holes or opportunities for improvement at positions that currently look pretty solid. Even with all the uncertainty, there are some areas we can target for improvement regardless of possible future changes.
- Interior Defense - I double checked some numbers before I put this up, and found some surprises. Looking at Hoopdata's opponents shot location charts, I saw that the Pacers only allowed their opponents 25 shots per game at the rim, 8th lowest in the league. They also held their opponents to 58.3% FG% on shots at the rim, 6th lowest in the league. The problem is that opponents averaged 28.6 FTA per game which was dead last in the league. We need some interior defenders who can protect the rim, but do it without fouling.
- Basketball IQ - This category has a whole host of manifestations on the court. For example, taking smart shots; we were 3rd in the league in 3PTA per game at 23.1, but only shot 34.8% on them, good for 18th in the league. Our team A/TO ratio was 1.40 good for 22nd in the league. It's difficult to separate the effects of ability from the effects of Basketball IQ, but our general lack of efficiency at both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor would indicate we need an upgrade.
- "Swagger" - This attribute obviously doesn't lend itself to statistics, but it was definitely something that seemed lacking. Our team competed hard and most nights, effort was not a problem. However, team seemed to lack a certain degree of confidence this year. They would get down by large margins, and still play hard, but seem to know that it wasn't going to work out. This attribute is also increased by success, which we haven't had much of. I think the return of Tyler Hansbrough will help in this area, but it is still something we should look for in new additions.
- General Talent - The Pacers definitely have some good players, but looking at the roster 1-12 they are in the bottom quarter of the league in terms of talent. A friend of mine frequently uses the quote "Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard." I have certainly appreciated the team's hard work these past three years, but it would be nice to have a team of very talented, hard workers. Basically, the team can use depth and talent across the board.
- Shot Creation - Again, I found some surprises on Hoopdata. 57.8% of the Pacers baskets last year were assisted on which was good for 10th in the league. Our assist rate (the percentage of possessions with ended with an assist) was only 19.34% good for 19th in the league. This would indicate that when we scored it was often because of good ball movement. Unfortunately, this occured on less than 20% of our possessions. We can address this with Basketball IQ and increasing the quality and quantity of our ball movement; but we also need some individual shot creators, a player or two who can break down the defense on their own and take the pressure off Granger at the end of shot clocks.
In addition to these attributes, there are certainly some specific roster holes. Despite having a roster loaded with front-court players, I think most fans are in agreement that we could use an upgrade at PF. The PG position is unsettled, as we enter the summer with T.J. Ford and A.J. Price, neither of whom is ready to be a starting NBA point guard according to our coach. I also don't think anyone is totally comfortable with the Brandon Rush - Dahntay Jones combo at SG. I am hoping that by having an honest evaluation of what we have and what we need, we can work to make some reasonable suggestions and predictions about what we can realistically expect to acquire. I would love to hear anyone everyone's thoughts! (As if we have been talking about anything else for the past 3 months.)
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Best post ever on this site.
Shooting guard is the most likley addition and need in my opinion. Batman needs his Robin.
I have yet to give up on Larry Bird, this summer is his opperotunity to make or break this team. He said he needed 3 years 2 years ago. Larry has gone through tough parts in each period of his carrer playing, coaching and now and look back, every time he has come out smelling like a rose.
I cant say as much for JOB, I see a mid-season coaching change
Draft night is going to be more exciting than any point of the 09/10 season.
Spot on work, Levy
I’m thinking there may be a few more Duran, Duran players even if no one at the Fieldhouse would admit it. Dun, Rush, Dahntay won’t hold up any deals on the Pacers’ end.
Possibility of anyone liking the idea trading for two of the T’Wolves picks (#16 and 23) for our 10th? Possible players that would be great at 16 could be Larry Sanders, Eric Bledsoe, Paul George, Avery Bradley.
I'd make that trade depending on who is left at 10
Greg Monroe is a sure fire average starting NBA 4. If you get him at 10 then you do it.
I’d rather take Xavier Henry at 16 and Elliot Williams at 23 over reaching for Udoh or Whiteside at 10.
Just saying
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
I also heard a new idea yesterday on Bill Simmon's podcast
Apparently Erick Dampier’s $13 mil. contract for next year is not guaranteed. This means he could be released before the season started and that team would save all that money against the cap.
It’s unlikely because I am sure they will get better offers, but maybe we can send them Murphy and Ford, take back Dampier and Butler (who I imagine that would like to get rid of after this season) or Dampier and Marion. Then we can cut Dampier right away and use that cap space to go after a free agent we like but couldn’t afford otherwise. (Don’t kid yourself, it won’t be Bosh, Wade or Lebron). Maybe Raymond Felton ot Travis Outlaw?
The problem is that Dallas is sure to use this piece to try and get Bosh or Wade and our offer pales in comparison. Still, you never know!
After last night
Dallas may have a fire sale this offseason. Would be nice to cash in somehow if they aren’t able to lure LeBron/Wade.
No Felton
That guy isn’t very good. I’d much rather keep Price plus pick up another point in the draft. I hope we don’t even consider throwing money at Felton.
Outlaw would be a nice bench guy though for the right money. I think if you pair him and Jones we have the makings of a nice bench rotation. We just need the starters in front of them.
I think you'd be surprised how good Felton was this year
They weren’t on TV much, and he stunk it up in the Playoffs but he had a really strong season. He was a decent shooter, didn’t take bad shots, ran their offense effectively, knew his limitations and played really strong defense. I’m not saying he is a max guy, but if we threw our mid level exception at him. $15 million over three years would seem reasonable to me. Any more than that and I would take a pass, but if we could get him at a decent price I think he would be a great addition.
Yeah but he can’t shoot the three, at all. You and I both know how far that will get him in a JOB offense.
He shot 38.5% on 3's this year.
That’s better than anyone on the Pacers except Rush. Slightly better than Murphy, and about 20 points higher than Granger. I admit this is a new development in his game, and his might regress back to the mean. Still, he was really really good this year. Sneaky good, because no one was talking about it.
He had a 2.65 A/To ratio and a PPR of 4.78, good for 20th in the league. He averaged 6.7 Ast/40 on a team with a bunch of terrible, terrible shooters.
However,
he did all of this in a contract year. Dude was looking for a decent payday.
And forgive me for discounting that 3 point shooting, he did that on a limited number of shots. I’ll give you that he’s not as bad as D. Jones but he’s still not the high volume shooter that JOB covets.
Are you Felton's agent?
I think he proved his point in the first round when he was unexceptional and quite a disaster at running the point for that team. We need to have our sights set higher. I’m tired of setting for crap like Watson, Jack and Ford. Save those players for the other positions. The key for us getting any better is working on a major deal to bring a GOOD point guard. Felton would not answer any of our problems.
by blueandgold24 on Apr 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I have zero faith in Bird
It’s going to be yet another offseason of “waiting for cap space”.
Any free agent we sign will be grossly overpaid. Just the same as every previous LB signing has been grossly overpaid.
Time to bring in a real exec and give up on the Celebrity apprentice routine.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
3 years rebuild plan?We still have long way too go!
Lets make things CLEAR
MURPHY, TJ FORD,MIKE DUNLEPHY will leave anyway
SO now,
We have ok 2nd union
(So many role players)
(they may never be the starters and stars)
PG: AJ PRICE
SG/SF: D.JONES,B.RUSH
PF/C: TYLER HANSBROUGH,JOSH MCROBERT
Starters?
PG: ?
SG: ?
SF: DANNY GRANGER <——not leader, bad shoot selection,but he is the only one i trust now..
PF: ?
C: “ROY HIBBERT” <——-ROY is improving, but i think he is only 50% starter now, why? he can’t handle some other teams Centers. One game 2x points, one game quick fouls, another game struggle in offense.
In my conclusion,
1# We need a true PG who can creat shoot and find teammate
2# About SG, We need Second “Gun” to play with granger.at least can make points when granger is off..
3# We need a ALL AROUND PF, reduce pressure from ROY on defence, get every possible rebounds, play agrresive inside not only on defence but also on offence(not shooting the 3 points…xx)
4# We need to find a good backup CENTER for ROY when he struggled.( Not only energy player like JOSH, but A real center Who can handle Others inside)
5# We need aother leader here.
Finally we can compete with Lakers or Cleveland, then talk about the champion.
larry bird
everybody else in the nba is making moves. pacers need to pick up the pace and make some. i watch the pacers at there best, and now there falling for the worst ever. we have coaches out there pick up byron scott. scott took the nets to the finals twice and had the hornets going in the right path. we as the fans deserve better. payroll is to high not to have any talent…
leadership
pacers have no leadership. just a few small peoples trying to do big things. i have great respect for granger and murphy, but the guys are playing to soft. injuries come and go i seen some of the best play right threw them. we need to start booting and pick up some fresh talent. make these guys earn there dollars. i bet youll see a difference.

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