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IC Cold Links: Pacers Have To Come Together After Dismantling By Lakers

The Pacers hit the road earlier this week saying all of the right things. There was talk of looking forward to the challenge of playing four elite teams from the Western Conference teams and letting it rip with a we-got-nothing-to-lose mind set.

That brave, united front evaporated in a matter of minute during the third quarter of last night's game. Now the team that has rarely been able to get it together on the court this season, appears to be ripping apart at the seams.

Read more about it in today's links, but quickly we have Mike Dunleavy frustrated with the play of at least a few teammates and even more frustrated with his current role. He beats around the bush with his laments but there seems to be some tension below the surface with how he's being (or not being) used. Of course, Duns has caught his share of front iron over the past couple of months so it's not like he has earned major minutes.

Then we have JOB coming closer to ripping Josh McRoberts than simply dismissing his career-high scoring game against the Lakers. JOB seems defensive about keeping McRoberts buried on the bench even though his spot minutes bring an energy to the floor the team could desperately need.

Then there's the annoying side shows with T.J. Ford yucking it up at taco time in STAPLES with the game out of hand and Dahntay Jones taking far too many hold-for-three-seconds-and-then-shoot jumpers.

Should be interesting to see what kind of fight this team shows tonight in Portland.

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I’d love for someone to explain Price’s DNP-CD’s to me as well. While I do want the team to get a top draft pick, it is ridiculous how much we’re falling apart. It may sound like overreaction after a game against a top 2 team, but it’s been getting progressively worse. I’m not a huge Dunleavy fan but he’s a smart guy and an unselfish-team player, so it says something when he starts to complain. Ford is just having fun doing what he wants, because really, who cares what he does at this point? Granger might be depressed; I know I would be.

I still like the Pacers and all, but if we come back next year with the same coach and the same roster plus another shitty draft pick, I might need to take a year off. I mean, what are the chances we get a huge bust like Ed Davis? Outside of Granger, we have had a decade of absolutely awful drafting (I’m a big fan of Hibbert and I like Price, but it’s still way early). And we haven’t had a pick higher than 10 in over TWENTY YEARS.

Sorry I’m just ranting now. More than anything else, I just hope JOB is gone at the end of this year. The team has ABSOLUTELY QUIT on him. 100% quit.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

well sort of

The Raptors drafted him and traded him to us for Antonio Davis. So we haven’t actually drafted someone in the top 9 in 20 years and the only time we got a guy drafted that high was through a trade (thus having to give someone up). In other words, we haven’t “earned” a top pick without having to give up existing talent.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunleavy

has somehow skated through this season without his fair share of complaints. He has been floating through the majority of his games, then calling guys out in the locker room. I don’t know, something has turned him into a different player this year. Maybe it is the knee, maybe it is the environment…

Price did play last night, for like 8 whole minutes! Laughable and similar to a DNP.

The first half of last night’s game was actually enjoyable to watch. The team played well and executed pretty well also. The problems came in the 3rd, where the Pacers didn’t so much beat themselves (like we’ve seen so many times in the past) but the Lakers actually started playing.
What sucks is that players are starting to quit. I think it’s time to introduce TJ to the end of the bench again. He brought some fire in the first half, but yucking it up with the opposing team is unforgivable.

by jantz101 on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

completely conjecture, but

My impression is that it’s the environment. Like I said, I’m not a huge fan, but he really doesn’t seem like a quitter. And it feels like the whole team just cares less and less. To me it just feels totally out of character for Dunleavy to say stuff like this. Who knows. You get the feeling that a year or two from now you’ll start to see interviews with guys from this team talking about how it fell apart and no one cared to take control.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Mar 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He doesn’t seem like a quitter, but has looked like a shell of his former self out on the floor. I guess blame can be spread in plenty of places on this year’s team…

Speaking of blame, JOB brushing off McBob’s play last night is close to unforgivable. I’ve let some stuff slide with regards to his coaching, but someone needs to remind him that a coach’s job is to fight to the end. To brush off that performance and follow it up with “try doing that in a winning effort” is an indication of a coach who has given up. I mean, Josh brought some fire to the team last night. It was obvious he was one of the guys trying to get it done for a winning effort. It was a needless comment no doubt said out of frustration and I hope an apology follows today, at least to Josh himself.
I read the power ranking article listed above and it talked about how Jack has been a glue guy for the Raptors this year. I think we can now see how he had a big hand in keeping this team together last year. We can also see the void that he left and the inability for anyone on this team to fill that void. Maybe Danny can show some fire out there tonight and get some things rolling…

That being said, it is going to be interesting to see how the team responds and who will be played tonight. I don’t care if we lose by 20 again, as long as we lose with players who want to be on the floor, and as long as we lose with the future of the team getting respectable minutes. Thats all I ask…

by jantz101 on Mar 3, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree with this

Especially about JOB’s comments.

Not surprised about Jack – I know we all mostly loved him but I guess we didn’t even realize how much of a role he may have had in keeping the team together through tough times.

And for tonight, yeah, there really oughta be some changes. For everyone’s sake, can Price get some minutes over Ford? That storyline is getting ridiculous

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Mar 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

along with you, I get this sinking feeling that we are seeing this team start to unravel. My fingers are crossed that someone does care to take control, but I don’t know if this team has someone to take control. Dahntay maybe? Watson? Anybody? Bueller?

by jantz101 on Mar 3, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Implosion impending - Listen Don't watch

It hurts way too much to watch listen and learn. Slick says what-ever he wants there is no filter it is much more entertaining than watching Quinn and Denari (talented guys) appologize for an entire game ….. Slick says what needs to be said. That being said what was discussed last night?

Slick Leonard called TJ “OUT” --

Let me preface this by saying Slick has won 3 titles.

Last night he stated he would BENCH the guy and or release him and then said he would not have him on his team in any capacity after his display last night.

he was judged for “DOGGING IT” after missed lay ups, laughing and joking with oppnents while down 30 points etc and just being TJ

not sure if you have seen this but he is the main reason the team has no co-hesion
http://www.indy.com/posts/ford-rush-taken-aback-by-pacers-trade-talk

by Man of Pace on Mar 3, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

"Irrelevent"

JOB’s thoughts on McRoberts’ carrer high night ….. “Irrelevent”

I’m starting to think wins and losses are too, as well as his employment. .

I’m not paying for another game this year or next. Something must change.

Say it with me Seattle Pacers.

by Man of Pace on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

yeah

that stuff about McRoberts actually pissed me off a bit. Maybe it was a heat of the moment quote, but really? You’re gonna say that about a young player who probably could use some confidence from his coach?

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Get out of here with that Seattle crap

I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you are trying to stir up the few already stirred up people who post on this board, but really? We have gone through a few rough years and you are calling for a team you supposedly love to be moved? Relax dude. Take a deep breath, remember how fun it used to be to root for this team, realize that most of your issues are completely out of your control, and continue breathing again. Anger at a team is completely normal. Wishing for their demise is something entirely different.

by jantz101 on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right

I don’t want them to leave.

I’m just soo pissed/frustrated I would almost bid them aidu.

Then cry the next day.

by Man of Pace on Mar 3, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear you

My frustration level is starting to reach a boiling point too. It’s hard to decide if I want to watch the games or do myself a favor and just forget about it. It certainly is not an easy choice to make anymore…

by jantz101 on Mar 3, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget Cheering Losses...

I’VE STARTED CHEERING FOR BLOW OUTS!

I hate to see these, but a long string of blow outs now is the only way that we don’t have to put up with JOB and Bird next season!

by FortWayneKarl on Mar 3, 2010 11:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Pretty much. The more the Pacers lose, the more likely that Bird and JOB will get fired.

by Sparhawk on Mar 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

and probably end up in the 3rd worst spot

unfortunately (?) I don’t think it’ll happen

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Mar 3, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeh but...

We could probably get Herb Simon declared legally dead if the Pacers lost the rest of their games and JOB and Bird somehow we not fired! I don’t know who would end up with the team in that case, but they couldn’t do worse! Sometimes it seems like Mel Simon is (still) running the Pacers! OUCH!!!

by FortWayneKarl on Mar 3, 2010 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know

The ownership hasn’t yet held Bird accountable for anything this franchise has sucked at during this decade and they appear (at least publicly) to stand behind him in every way possible. That worries me just as much as Bird’s faith in JOB. The ownership needs to stand up and starting holding people accountable for this ridiculous team.

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