Trade Talk: Kings' Interest In Murphy Reported
by Tom Lewis on Feb 11, 2010 4:15 PM EST
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PrintSacramento Kings' beat writer, Sam Amick is keeping tabs on all of the trade rumors involving the Kings and has confirmed the team's interest in Troy Murphy is legit. Obviously, the Pacers are interested in the $8.5 millions expiring contract of Kenny Thomas, but a straight up deal between the two teams would require some more moving parts.
And while I had alluded to a possible three-team deal sending Kevin Martin to Dallas, Josh Howard and his $10.8 million expiring contract to Indiana and Murphy to Sacramento, I've been told that the Kings are pursuing a straight up deal centered around the expiring contract of Kenny Thomas ($8.5 million).
The Pacers reportedly want to shed themselves of Murphy's salary, and Thomas would almost do it on his own. He makes $11 million this season and nearly $12 million next season (the final one on his deal). Indiana would surely push to include at least one of the Kings' young prospects (Donte' Greene?) but the Kings may ask that they take on point guard Beno Udrih and his contract that runs through 2013 (player option in final season) and has a combined $21.7 million remaining after this season.
What do you think?
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Do this deal if we can get Greene. He has an immense amount of potential and Kenny Thomas can give us a little somethng off the bench. Not crazy about taking on Udrich…but he’s better than all but one of our PGs (Price) so it wouldn’t be that bad. Of course the best part of this deal would be not having Murph’s contract on the books next season and that money could be very useful in the coming offseason…I’ve still got my fingers crossed that we can find a way to get Rudy Gay here…but that’s just wishful thinking.
Beno is much better than Price
but I get your concerns
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 11, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to get Donte Greene back in this trade. I know he duplicates a lot of what Granger does but I’d prefer him over Hickson.
but is it worth taking back Udrih's deal
i like Greene too, but taking on $21M over the next three years seems counterproductive.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well it’s $21M over three for Udrih or $21M over two for Murphy. So to me it’s a wash in terms of money. Maybe I’m wrong.
i guess you're right
i forgot Murphy is still owed a boatload…
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
It is if he produces like
He used to. I honestly think he’s just fallen out of the rotation with Evans in Sacto. I remember watching this guy play…he’s still got a lot of upside in my opinion…way more than Ford and Watson…
31 I respect your opinion (over reading this site several years)
But one of the beauties of Donte is that he is not a single position player (in this case SF) even though he is often considered that. He can play the 2, 3 and 4 offensively, and defensively can probably guard big 1’s, 2’s, 3’s and 4’s.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
By probably guard I mean big 1's
I know he can defend 2’s, 3’s and 4’s.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sorry,
I didn’t mean to imply that Donte couldn’t play for us. I’m simply not sure what position he’d start at on our squad. I would love to have him though. Where do you see him starting for the Pacers? Obviously Danny will still be the 3, so could Donte start at the 2 or 4 for us?
Oh
And Greene is a lot more athletic than Granger…I think he’d give us that inside toughness that our wing players are severly lacking
Hell no on Udrih
The WHOLE POINT of trading Murphy is to get his money off the cap. Why in hell would you take back a guy with a LONGER deal than Murphy has?
Donte Green is a borderline prospect. I’d rather see the Pacers try and send an expiring deal to the Knicks for Gallinari or Jordan Hill.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Greene
is far from a borderline talent. He’s only 21/22 and he’s averaging almost ten per game. When he’s gotten minutes, he’s produced (24 against the Knicks a few nights ago). The Knicks are NOT going to give up The Rooster or Hill for anything we have on the roster. The point of getting rid of Murph is to get BETTER TALENT. Besides Udrich doesn’t make as much yearly and Thomas will give us the cap releif we want.
Trading Murphy for an expiring deal
The Knicks are blatantly shopping for expiring contracts. If we can trade Troy Murphy for Cleveland for Z or Sacramento for Kenny Thomas. You can turn those expiring deals around and ship them to NY for Hill or Gallinari.
We would have to take back a year of Jared Jeffries or Eddy Curry. But that’s the cost of doing business.
Then next year, we have the expiring deals of Jeffries or Curry to float out there to maybe aquire another asset next year.
That would be the astute way to rebuild this roster. Or we can just overpay for Danthay Jones and Earl Watson and just assume we are a championship contender.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Gallinari wouldn't be included in any deal
not that he’s that great, but DW loves him, so does D’Antoni.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 11, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks will have to part with some prospects
To get someone to take Curry or Jeffries.
The only way the Knicks can get 2 marquee free agents is to dump those guys. The Pacers need to take advantage of that market gaff and make a deal happen.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
We better not take beno udrich….if he makes 21 million then that means if we trade away murphy we’ll spend even MORE money. think about it…murphy makes 11 mill a season and we have him for 2 more years and that’s 22 mill right there. so it’s like we only shed 1 million off the books. The only way i would even think about that trade is if they took t.j. ford along with troy murphy, then i would do the trade of:
Troy murphy, Tj ford
for
Beno udrich, kenny thomas, and a young prospect
But even then i wouldn’t be so sure about the trade because of benos contract.
Example of what we should try and do
3 way trade with Cleveland and New York
Cleveland gets:
Troy Murphy
New York gets:
Illgauskus
Travis Diener
Earl Watson
Solo Jones
Luther Head
Pacers get:
Jordan Hill
Danilo Galinari
Eddy Curry
Jared Jeffries
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk99rvo
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
This sounds terrible.
Can’t we just find someone who’ll give us an expiring and a 1st rounder. That’s all I ask.
I wrote this over at StR in this thread if you want more details, but I see a potential deal (if any) shaping up something like this:
Indy gives up Troy Murphy, Dahntay Jones and Travis Diener
Sac gives up Kenny Thomas, Beno Udrih, Sergio Rodriguez and Donte Greene
There’s give and take here for both sides, and the Kings give up a young talent (that StR fans don’t want to give up). Murphy isn’t a scrub, even though I’m not a huge fan, but I understand why the Kings would consider taking him on.
My only question is does Indy say no because of Beno Udrih’s deal? Or are finances that bad in Indy that any deal for talent is automatically overruled by finances?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Our problem
Has been that we’ve taken on more money and less talent on almost every deal we’ve made during the Bird era.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Not the Kings problem.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This
Makes the most sense to me. I agree that talent and not cap space is the most important thing. No point having all that cap space if no one wants to come to Indy. And even if they do it won’t be a superstar. It’ll be another scottie Pippen type player. Rodriguez and Greene both have a lot of talent and as I’ve said a million times Udrich is better than Ford and watson
Question
How good do you think JOB and his staff are at working with young players? In order for Donte to keep growing and taking the strides he has taken, I think that’s an important step for the Pacers to consider.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
According to Bird today
thats the only reason JOB has a J-O-B.
I’m indifferent to the trade scenario you offered. Beno would be an upgrade at the point, but I think we (the fans) are all interested in expiring and draft picks. I have no idea whats being offered by other teams though, hence my indifference…
I understand. I am, after all, a fan too.
My opinion essentially says this: If you want Donte you’ll have to take Beno. There is no reason for the Kings to move Murphy otherwise.
On the flip side, it also means that the Pacers could move another player than Dahntay Jones (Brandon Rush maybe?) instead if Jones is that valuable.
It all depends on how you look at it I suppose. There is no way that the Kings would take Murphy on with just expirings. There is little incentive for them to do so.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
to take Murphy otherwise^ (bad editing--my bad)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Keeping this scenario going...
Dahntay gets thrown into the mix before Rush does. I think the brass want to see what Brandon has before they make a trade. They pretty much know what we have in Dahntay, so I don’t see that as being a huge deal.
I do think this might be some loud posturing to get Cleveland’s attention. I honestly see Murph fitting in better there than in Sac. You guys mentioned it on StR, you have a combination of guys, Thompson, Brockman, and Hawes that can do what Murph does. I doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from your perspective…
If I were Cleveland and I wanted to add Jamison or Murphy
I’d rather add Jamison. But, if I’m Indiana, I don’t think you can find a prospect better than Donte Greene. I really don’t.
There are very few prospects who can play 3 positions on 2 ends of the court, and Indiana isn’t good enough to turn down a prospect who has All-Star potential on 2 ends. There is so little that Donte Greene can’t do based on his potential. (Which is not the same as his production.)
I haven’t watched a ton of games, but if I were the Pacers I’d be wary of any player who played with LeBron James simply because LeBron is so great he makes players look better than they really are. I wonder if that’s a belief the Pacers may hold in regards to Hickson.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And by finding a prospect
I mean a young player who is available and that can be had in a Troy Murphy deal (or any deal not including Danny Granger honestly).
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Agreed with Greene
I’ve gotten a chance to see quite a few games on TV out here, he is an interesting prospect. He has grown by leaps and bounds this year right?
Hickson is also interesting. He actually reminds me a little bit of JT, he is a little undersized, a little thin, but can rebound and score. Guys like that are easy to write off because of their size, but they obviously have something going for them. (In Hickson’ s case that might indeed be LeBron)
I don't know enough about Hickson to be an expert.
But I’m quite sure that many Pacer fans know a lot less about Donte Greene and that would hurt their initial enthusiasm for dealing for him.
That having been said, I’m confident that Greene is a better player than Hickson.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Kings fan here
This post made me want to ask if you guys would be happy with a deal of Murphy for Kenny Thomas’ expiring contract, Sergio Rodriguez (and his expiring contract), and a 2011 lottery-protected first-round pick that would become a 2012 unprotected first-round pick if the Kings were in the lottery in 2011?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 11, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Full Roster
We already have 15 on roster so we couldn’t extra players…
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Feb 12, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I counter Pookey
(because I think the Pacers would die for his deal)
Murphy + TJ
For Beno + K-9(exp) + Hilton Armstong(exp)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
That's because you & StR don't want to believe what Donte Greene's value is worth right now.
Which is, of course, depends on whom you ask.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Die for this deal?
Or die from this deal? You would be taking away our second leading scorer and leading rebounder for bench players. We have a ton of bench players. The Pacers are a deep team, we just have no top end talent besides Granger (and depending on the team interested, Murphy). If you added a first rounder, maybe…
That would clearly have to be from another team, then.
Because no way in hell are the Kings giving up a lottery pick.
Pacers doesn’t seem like a “appealing” team right now and I don’t think this season can be saved.
So I think we should deal Murph for expiring contracts and draft picks…and try to get some talent in the free agency next season.
With this kind of deal, the Pacers won’t get any better so we’ll surely have one of the top picks in the next draft + other pick from Murph’s deal.
Good draft selections + Cap Space + having Granger and good prospects (Big Roy and Rush) going for their third season can make this team appealing to a good free agent.
Pacers Forever
And the understatement of the year goes to . . .
“. . .and I don’t think this season can be saved.” It couldn’t be saved a month ago.
Well...
if I’m a little late in that, I think you should clear it up to the “specialists” to.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100108/SPORTS04/1080347/1004/rss02
http://my.nba.com/cms/108718/playoffs_until_theyre_out,_theyre_in
They seem to be hoping for something yet.
Probably believing in some kind of trade miracle that would toss us into the playoffs.
Until then, sarcasm in a place to discuss certain subjects probably just seem like bittering.
After a season like that, who can blame you, right?
Pacers Forever
Define "saved"
Setting aside the fact that I don’t fully understand your last two sentences, would a “saved” season mean making the playoffs? I think that a successful season went out the window months ago (even if we made the playoffs, if we were under .500, that’s not a successful season). However, I think we could “save” the debacle by properly building for the future. I just think that we all here have been contemplating the future since late Dec. (aka, we already gave up on this season).
How about a straight up
Murphy for Kevin Martin deal. I’ve been searching around the web and Kings fans don’t seem to against the idea of giving up Martin.
by HoosierHoops14 on Feb 11, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, giving him up for the right piece. A quality big man who defends the rim and and can do a little scoring efficiently.
Not sure Pacers would like to give up Roy Hibbert for Martin. And I’m not sure I’d give Martin for Hibbert.
Martin is still considered to possibly be part of the future for Sacramento
If the Kings acquire Murphy, he’s not going to be considered. The Kings will not trade Kevin Martin for Troy Murphy.
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Bird Droppings
I think Bird still has the mentality of a player and pays his players accordingly by signing them to long high priced contracts(Croshere, O’Neil, Tinsley), . How many times is he going to stick the Pacers with these types of contracts. If he cant sign them himself he will trade to get another long high priced contract(Dunleavy and Murphy). Until his mentality changes to one of management, nothing will ever change.
by Slick4President on Feb 11, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions
Bird
had nothing to do with those contracts. The MurphLeavy trade is on Walsh, or on Bird, depending on who you ask. Either way, it isn’t exactly like the circumstances surrounding that deal were normal.
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