Trade Talk: What Do The Milwaukee Bucks Have To Offer?
by Tom Lewis on Feb 10, 2010 10:15 PM EST
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PrintMost of the trade talk of late surrounding the Indiana Pacers has focused on Troy Murphy possibly going to Cleveland. Obviously we've batted that topic around quite a bit here, so I'd like to look in a different direction.
Since Brian Windhorst mentioned that the Pacers are also rumored to be dealing with the Milwaukee Bucks and Sacramento Kings, I thought it would be worth focusing on Milwaukee for starters and trying to figure out which players might work in a deal for Murphy.
Fortunately, Brew Hoop has done the heavy lifting by narrowing down which players are available from Milwaukee. Essentially, it boils down to veteran forward Kurt Thomas, point guard Luke Ridnour, forward Hakim Warrick and second-year wing Joe Alexander.
After the jump, a little more on each player. Then let's make a deal.
I want to see your preferred deal if the Pacers were indeed able to work a trade with the Bucks. Remember the trade parts have come out (generally) even with regard to the salary cap numbers from both sides. So let's get the numbers on the table with the players, contract length and then the salary (Sham Sports) for each year remaining.
Troy Murphy - 2 years (2009-10 = $11,047,619 2010-11 = 11,968,253)
Bucks:
Kurt Thomas - 1 year (2009-10 = $3,800,000)
Luke Ridnour - 1 year (2009-10 = $6,500,000)
Hakim Warrick - 1 year (2009-10 = $3,000,000)
Joe Alexander - 1 year (2009-10 = $2,583,360)
Obviously, all of the above are enticing for the Pacers because of the expiring contracts, although it appears making the salaries work could be difficult. Ridnour would need to be in any deal, and then it would work. I know it is just for the remainder of the year but the Pacers would likely need to throw in another player. Travis Diener seems like a natural fit, going back home, but that would add more money to the Pacers side of things.
Both Ridnour and Thomas would be welcomed additions for some short-term leadership. Thomas would do Roy Hibbert, Solo Jones, Tyler Hansbrough and Josh McRoberts a ton of good with a fresh veteran perspective, especially with Jeff Fosterout for the season. Of course, Thomas would probably prefer joining a title contender instead of playing Father Flanagan for a group of young bigs.
Joe Alexander hasn't played in a game this year after a severe hamstring injury just prior to the start of the season had him on the shelf until late January. The Bucks sent him down to Fort Wayne to play in the D-League to get some minutes and work his body and game into shape. Obviously, the lottery pick hasn't panned out as expected.
But I want to know your thoughts on the what the Bucks have to offer. Any other Bucks you'd like to see in the deal? Do you think Milwaukee would be up for a shot at redemption by bringing back their former lottery pick, T.J. Ford?
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Before anyone on here starts coming up with ideas, remember we have 15 players and cannot add any more players then we send out. Sacremento and Milwaukee also have 15. I don’t know if either of these trades come to fruition though, what we’re asking Cleveland makes me believe we won’t take anything less than cap relief, a young player like Hickson, and a draft pick. I don’t see us getting draft picks away from the Bucks or Kings due to their lower picks and since they’re younger, draft picks mean much more to them than the Cavs.
With the Kings there is one certainty that Kenny Thomas’ contract will be in the mix. The borederline 9 mil. final year contract is something we are after but like I said above… we want more then that and we’ve apparently been pretty stubborn to get nothing less. I could see us making a move for a player like Jason Thompson. I highly doubt the Kings would agree but Thomas and Thompson would sound like something we would be after.
What's the rule on this?
What if we were to immediately release/cut all incoming players but one? Would an uneven trade (in terms of number of players) work in that case? Because we could cut a guy to clear up a spot and that would work, why couldn’t we cut the incoming players (aside from the fact that in the precise instant after the trade but before the cut we would technically be over the limit)? Can I ask any more questions? How come the Simpsons have been on for 20 years but Bart and Lisa are still in the same grade?
i believe you can acquire more than 15 on ur team but u will have to release someone(s) to get it back down to 15. I think we were in this situation a couple of years ago when we signed james white to a guaranteed deal that put us as having 16 on our active roster. what a great move that was in retrospect.
as far as a trade goes, as long as it creates cap relief i dont really care at this point. developing and playing our young guys more, getting a new coach and a getting a quality draft pick should be the first order of business right now.
as for the simpsons go, what is more amazing than bart and lisa are being in the same grade is that throughout the series side show bob will go to prison for years at a time always to get released/escape to kill 4th grade bart. it just doesnt add up at all.
If Youre not First, Youre Last
by drsuessrunner07 on Feb 10, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think making any move to get Jason Thompson without giving up our first rounder would be a huge step in the right direction. A young core of:
Wall… :)
Rush
Granger
Thompson
Hibbert
certainly sounds good to me. But as B-Huse said, I dont think the Kings would be too eager to just give him to us.
And on the Milwaukee side of things, Charlie Bell and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute would be the only two I actually want from their roster
It just be expirings + 1st rounder, which would be far better than doing the same with Cleveland.
I wouldn’t mind that. Clearing cap and landing a pick that could be anywhere from around 10-20. I’d like me some Xavier Henry or Craig Brackins to add to our pick, or maybe use it as a tool to move a couple spots up and land Evan Turner.
From Sactown Royalty...
This was a trade offer w/ explanation proposed in a response on one of Sactown Royalty’s FanPost:
To Sacramento: Troy Murphy, Glen Davis
To Indiana: Ray Allen, Kenny Thomas, Brian Scalabrine
To Boston: Mike Dunleavy Jr., T.J. Ford, Andres Nocioni, Hilton Armstrong
Why the Kings do this: Murphy and Davis’ contracts expire after next season. Murphy is an excellent rebounder and shooter. They get rid of Nocioni’s longer contract. Then again, I hate Big Baby…
Why the Pacers do this: $31 million expiring and Ray Allen as a short-term tutor to Brandon Rush…
Why the Celtics do this: They improve their bench dramatically (Nocioni, Ford and Armstrong > Davis, Scalabrine. Dunleavy is 5 years younger than Allen, can play a couple different positions and his deal expires next year if it doesn’t work out. The only long-term commitment is Nocioni. It also allows them to get rid of a headache in Davis…
The Pacers clear $29 million off the books and receive 3 EC in return. If anything, it gives us the closest thing to Reggie Miller in Ray Allen (for 1/2 a season). Wouldn’t $29 million enable the Pacers to go after one (or two) of the top free agents from this year’s class?
The FAULK
by incredibleFAULK on Feb 11, 2010 12:52 AM EST reply actions
Dig that trade
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
I love the idea..
I just dont know if the Kings do it. Scalabrine is made to play for the Pacers.
by captain flitzy on Feb 11, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Thomas
In 2000, following an incident in the playoffs, Kurt Thomas said of Jalen Rose: “He’s nothing but a little bitch, just like Reggie.”
I would have trouble rooting for someone who is on record with such blasphemous comments.
I would be fine with trading Murphy for the other 3 guys, the money is about right. If we don’t want them, we don’t have to keep them more than half a season.
I still remember that fight
Thomas hit Jalen for no reason, and then Jalen got ejected too. I’ve never liked him since then. I guess I would have to root for him, but it wouldn’t be easy!
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