I'm tired of this team getting JOB'd

by Agent J on Dec 20, 2010 9:44 PM EST

The problem with the pacers is the coaching. These are some points that i've noticed.

A:JOB wants to shoot a lot of threes and be perimeter oriented. Anyone who has ever played the game knows that basketball is played from the inside out. The object is to get the ball into the hoop. Advancing towards the basketball and not dancing around the three point line would only play into percentages, period.

B:Back to point A. Why would you want your young, promising, 7'2" center to be a passer from the highpost all the time, he can make passes from down low and it gives you more options on offense.

C:Play the young guys. I've read several posts and the general consensus seems to be the pacers are wasting Tyler Hansborough's and Paul George's year. These guys aren't just a rookie and sophmore player. They have potential, they could possibly be solid contributers to a contending team, and they are actually fairly decent players that will always give you hustle. We'll never know what we could be or get anwhere if JOB keeps playing the older, average-at-best guys who give us no real chance of being any good.

D:Basically, JOB's squashing this teams future because he knows NOTHING about basketball. He doesn't know the ebb and flow of the on court action nor the meaning of chemistry. JOB is a condecending disciplinarian but what we need is someone who can teach, still be stern while giving credit where it's due, and be creative enough to mold a gameplan to fit the players. The game of basketball isn't rocket science it's a simple game. I guess JOB's never really played before...

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agreed

My post the other day dealt mainly with how inefficiently we use Hibbert, but there is a lot more I could have said, which you’ve touched upon. Our young guys are getting wasted and during that Celtics game O’Brien gave minutes to Dunleavy over Rush when the former wasn’t doing anything more offensively and his defence was definitely worse. Rush’s defence on Allen was definitely superior to Dunleavy’s.

by pendulum55 on Dec 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions

agree

I agree with your post we all know JOB sucks haha
The two things i noticed tonight
1.why were ford and collison on the floor at the same time…i dont care if the hornets had paul and jack out there doesnt make sense
2.Why is foster playing…yes hes been a solid contributor on this team for years..but his time is past give Psycho T the minutes…
also it will be interesting to see how fast mcroberts can go from starter to not playing

by indypacers11 on Dec 21, 2010 12:23 AM EST reply actions

Yeah...

It’s a dead horse around here but your points are valid.

A. It’s obvious we shoot too many 3s (and we look real bad when we are missing)

B. The half court offense should be run through Hibbert in the post. I still want them to run as much as possible but if they don’t get a quality look by 24 seconds on the shot clock they should be looking for Hibbert in the post.

C. This is obvious. Hansborough and Price should be getting quality minutes every game and George should be getting at least some time here and there. I don’t mind if they give Posey a look and if he is hitting shots to give him solid minutes, but there is no reason that Hansborough is getting to play one game every 2 weeks.

by SirStuckey on Dec 21, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions

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by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 21, 2010 1:50 AM EST reply actions

Also,

You want to know who should get some minutes? Dahntay Jones, the guy isn’t a shooter but he’s had a surprising ability to drive into the paint and everyone knows about his defense. I’m okay with George getting more limited minutes because he’s young and he has made plenty of mistakes (not unexpected of a rookie). I still think he is the future at the 2. 3? But at this time we have better options. Hansbrough is a really nice role player, no problem with giving him minutes. Though, if Foster is truly healthy, I have no problem giving him his fair share of minutes.

by infinityzero.systemerror on Dec 21, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions

Good points

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by LukeNukem on Dec 21, 2010 7:19 AM EST reply actions

Gotta agree....

with you Agent J. JOB has overstayed his welcome.

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by W.Diesel on Dec 21, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions

I guess i'm not the only one

thanks for the feedback, i’m new at this writing stuff and it feels good to get it out. I’d also have to agree about Dahntey Jones getting more minutes. He can’t shoot threes but who freaking cares. He brings other skills that our other players seem to lack some or most of the time. It’s already been shown earlier in the season. We didn’t beat LA or MIA with our shooting, it all starts at the defensive end. JOB needs to get glasses.

by Agent J on Dec 21, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions

A few rebuttal points

A. The idea that you HAVE to play inside out to be an efficient offense just isn’t true. The Phoenix Suns without Amare Stoudemire are the 3rd most efficient offense in the league this season. Everything they do is outside in. I would argue that Miami’s offense is structured the same way. They don’t have a post presence. They score a lot of points in the paint but off penetration, cuts and transition baskets. Miami has the 5th most efficient offense in the league this season. Inside out is one way to build an offense, but it’s certainly not the only way.

B. I am in agreement that Hibbert should be spending more time in the low-post but we should be clear that he is not a dominant scorer down there. He could still pass to cutters but it does limit some of the options for movement to the basket since putting him on the low block essentially cuts off that side of the basket. I don’t have Synergy numbers for this season right now, but last year he scored just 0.91 points per possession on post up opportunities with a FG% of just 47.0%. Finishing off cuts or in the pick and roll he was much more effective with PPP numbers of 1.18 and 1.16 respectively. The numbers in the post are probably slightly improved this season but he still seems like a more effective threat when his opportunities are created by movement as opposed to just throwing the ball in to him and having him get a bucket.

C + D. I keep hearing that JOB doesn’t understand what this team needs because he doesn’t find minutes for Stephenson, George and Price. The bottom line is that JOB has a single year left on his contract. His only long shot chance at returning to Indiana or getting another contract somewhere else is to win games. For better or worse his primary goal this year is to win as many games as possible. There is no chance we would be 13-14 if George, Stephenson and Price were playing significant minutes. I understand that we as fans have a long-term investment in the team, but JOB doesn’t. His investment is entirely short-term and that means winning games.

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by Ian Levy on Dec 21, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions

on C+D

It does make sense that JOB will try to win as many games as possible for his personal W-L record. He probably knows what he has to do to get a new contract here, and if he can’t the better this team looks the better chances he has of getting a new job.

That being said, I see Price play and he doesn’t seem to be any worse than Ford. Ford does a few things better, but I think they are things Price can pick up getting more games in. I don’t see their W-L record being that much different if Price is getting major minutes as back up.

by SirStuckey on Dec 21, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions

the big difference between price and tj is experience

price is only a 2nd year player, whereas tj is a 7 year veteran. price will get his shot once tj moves on to another team after this season.

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by wonillionaire on Dec 21, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions

@Ian Levy

Thanks for the rebuttal, it’s good to hear both sides. That being said, your points aren’t all solid.

A:Phoenix has about the same record Indiana does and Miami has Wade, Lebron, and Bosh, go figure. And if you want the best shot at a championship, you DO need a dominate inside presence-LA, Boston, Miami, San Antonio- last decade, nuff said.

B:I’ll agree here, let’s give the big man time, but hope he develops (and gets the opportunity to) his low post game.

C:Tyler helps the team when he plays. George is an active defender who has length and quickness oh yeah, he can also shoot. Lance can stay on the inactive list. AJ is solid and the Pacers would stand a better chance of winning if they stuck with their rebuilding plan that Bird’s so sure of. If JOB thinks he can win now with Posey, Foster, and Turnover TJ then the Pacers are more than a year or two from winning.

by Agent J on Dec 21, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions

Oh yeah

My bad, forgot Detroit with Big Ben and Sheed on point A.

by Agent J on Dec 21, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions

We can all see it ....

JOB is the reason we are below .500 at this point ….

I do understand his position (lame duck) … be he is killing the team that was so confident early on ….

Hey JOB : the motion offense is for the college game …

Hey JOB: 1st round picks are supposed to play at least 10-15 minutes a game so they can put together what they are learning in practice in a game ….

pratice + play = development …

Only 1 coach has come to a team impemented a system that was outside of the norm (inside out game/ iso’s etc) and that was Phil Jackson why was he successful → superior talent …

JOB thinks he is Phil Jackson in his heart to bad the motion offense is not the triangle and Danny is not Kode ….

by Man of Pace on Dec 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions