Getting Jefferson W/O involving Granger
by Kevin Kroeger on Jan 18, 2010 6:18 PM EST
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I know all the rumors have been about the straight up Granger for Jefferson swap. Simply put, this just makes no sense for our Pacers. The Pacers should be very much interested in acquiring the big man, even if it means giving up (gulp) Roy Hibbert. David Kahn, the GM of the T-Wolves, is giving the Pacers and all other teams in the league at acquiring one of the top five or ten low post scorers in the league WHILE HIS VALUE IS AS LOW AS IT EVER WILL BE.
Ideally, T.J Ford, Rush, and our first rounder would be enough to acquire Big Al, but I am thinking Minnesota would not give up Jefferson without getting the cap relief (Ford), a really good first round pick (our first rounder), and an improving , tangible up and comer in Hibbert. Obviously, the Pacers are unlikely to rid themselves of their first round pick for this season before actually knowing what it is (rarely do teams do such things). If the Pacers are lucky enough to be presented with an offer for Jefferson to be Ford's expiring, Hibbert, and Dahntay Jones, they MUST take it. Combining two all star caliber players in Granger and Jefferson, along with a probable high draft pick (Evan Turner, a less perimeter gifted Brandon Roy) would assure the Pacers of playoffs for years to come. While Jefferson's value is low, you have to go after him relentlessly. Jefferson is still young, a proven scorer, and would immediately become our alpha-dog. In the process, Granger becomes maybe the league's best number 2 where he belongs. Acquiring Jefferson would do wonders for Granger's career, not to mention the Pacers franchise.
Alas though, it appears Minnesota will not part with Jefferson unless they get Granger. And no, the Pacers should not do this deal either. We can still dream though! Any thoughts on Jefferson becoming a Pacer without involving Granger.
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Call me crazy, but I like Derrick Favors in the draft. He’s a 6’10 and extremely atheltic big who at the worst would be Tyrus Thomas, but could more likely be an Amare Stoudemire-like player. He would be great at the 4 to help Roy on defense and great at the 5 if you want a running team. Though drafting him seems less likely since he’s a freshman and Larry doesn’t like freshman.
favors is a big time pick,
i think greg monroe is basically the same, im not sure which is projecting higher? I’m guessing favors since he is younger? but Greg’s very similar if not better, i’d love to have either of them playing the 4 spot for us, plus as you said, greg is older so he’s may be more likely.
"Does this furniture polish have alcohol in it?" ... "mmm, tastes like i might die."
Monroe
Has the reputation as an underachiever. Low motor, low energy guy.
Similar to Sharone Wright
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
This Has Gotten Beyond Sad....
What’s funny is…. Larry and David Morway are wondering why things aren’t working. Pretty much everyone has been coming up with theories of why we’re no good but here’s what it comes down to…. we’re just not talented. It’s great that the Pacers want to have good guys on their team, but we’re not looking for a group of monks. This is a BASKETBALL TEAM. If you want be any good you might have to have a guy that might not maybe do exactly what you want on a friday night, so what? I mean yes we can’t have what we had after 2000. But, that doesn’t mean you can’t go out and pick a guy like Favors who wants to go make millions instead of studying, I mean honestly would you? That doesn’t make him a bad person and Larry needs to wake up and see that. You know what two things our team probably leads in? Most years in college and most time spent at home instead of at the bars. This has gotten sad, make a damn move and if we have the opportunity to get Favors and we pass on him for a senior I’ll be the first picketer outside Conseco.
this trade wouldn't help
if you haven’t noticed but when they look in the post roy scores. that is not the problem. it would still have the same coaching staff who does the same system. i think that this team has the ability of the reggie miller lead teams. rik smits – roy hibbert’ roy is a lttle better in the post faster feet nice game overall. i would give the edge to roy if they plaed in the same system. dale davis- troy murphy troy has the scoring edge. job doesn’t put him in the post. there rebounding average is the same, but overall nastyness advantage dale. granger over mckey any day but danny needs to drive more and stop babysitting the 3 point line. noone compares to reggie at all. mark jackson slow but very efficient. he gets the edge over aj price who would be my starter now. it is a tie for the sixth man mike d and a. davis
A team without leadership is not a team, but I am seeing the similarities. Have “nice pieces” with one all-star caliber player is gonna get us as far as it did even with Reggie…. with no championship. Then we got desperate and picked up a lot of players with off-court issues but high upside, hoping everything would pay off…. we all know that story. We need to make a move barring the mistakes of the past…. We need another all-star… and a leader.
I don't think we can give up our 1st rounder plus all that.
We’re talking a Top 5 pick here. Plus, it’s a John “the savior” Wall lotto ticket.
honestly:
i dont want John Wall. I think AJ Price could our starting PG for years to come, and be pretty dang good at it too! I think our biggest need is at SG, since Rush has shown he cant be consistent. We are strong, or have the potential to be strong(PG: Price, PF: Hans) everywhere else. so give me Evan Turner :)
Clearly you don't understand how good the kid is. He's the best prospect since LeBron.
Like…Utah would draft him and trade Deron Williams if they got #1 (since they have the Knicks pick). Experts (like ESPN’s Chad Ford) have said as much.
Yeah, but
I really think this team will gel late in the season and win 28-30 games, which should put us right around 7th or 8th best chance for Wall. And, like always, we won’t win the lottery. Lets all forget about Wall. Its easy to imagine him on the Pacers, but we realistically don’t have a good chance to get him. I agree that he’s a LeBron-like speciman, but I’m trying not to get my hopes up.
Cole Aldridge
Here we come!!!!
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
That is not what I was advocating!
But, sadly, you’re probably right. LB does know we don’t have to draft seniors, right?
are you kidding?
wall is better, right now, than any pacer on the current roster. price would be a great option off the bench.
I'd kick the tires on some of the other team's assets
The Grizz are talking about adding vets to win now and moving Thabeet, Darrell Arthur, DeMare Carroll, or hometown boy Conley. I would love that. Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, and Watson may give them so interest.
Sactown is interested in moving Kevin Martin. I get the feeling they are selling low on him and it wouldn’t take a huge sum to add him. A dynamic scorer like him next to Granger would be formidable.
Bobcats are interested in winning as well and Augustin can’t get out of Brown’s doghouse. I like him a lot and feel he could be our future at PG.
There are solutions out there… Lets make something happen Larry!!!
Lots of people are on the trading block
Also, lots of groceries at the grocery store, but you can’t have any of them if you don’t have any money to buy them. Right now, we don’t have any money to buy anything. The only rumors I’ve heard have people clamoring for Foster and Murphy, other than that, we have no talent and no real expiring contracts to deal for these players. Just because they’re available doesn’t mean they can be had by us.
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