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Four Team Blockbuster!?!?!


A special thanks to IndyPacers, whose three teamer in the other fanpost got we thinking of this possible four team trade.  This probably won't happen (too many moving parts) but I'm sick of waiting for the trade deadline and have decided to post my idea/insanity.

Teams involved: Pacers, Cavs, Nuggets, Warriors

Cavs get Troy Murphy (11 mil-2 years), Speedy Claxton (5.2 mil-1 year), Joey Graham (825K-1 year)

Warriors get Dunlevey (9.7 mil-2 years), J.J. Hickson (1.4 mil-2 yrs), Renaldo Balkman (2.1mil-4yrs), Anthony Carter (825K-1 yr)

Nuggets get Jeff Foster (6 mil-2yrs), A.J. Price (457K--3yrs)

Pacers get Big Z (11 Mil-1 yr), Ty Lawson (1.4 Mil-2 yrs), Anthony Randolph (1.8 Mil-2 yrs), Corey Maggette (8.9 mil-4 yrs)

Why it could possibly work:

Cavs get Murphy (who they covet to space the floor for LBJ) along with an additional 6 million in expiring deals for the cap next year (and these guys can be cut to make roster room for re-acquisition of Big Z).  They only give up Z, and Hickson, who was rumored to come to Indy with Z for Murphy anyway, and pick up more cap room for next offseason.  They would resign Z after the Pacers cut him.

Warriors are despirate to get rid of Maggette's contract, which is admittedly horrible, and Nelly doesn't like Randolph.  Also, Randolph's injury is probably going to knock him out for the rest of the season, which makes trading him much harder than it would have been last week.  They get Dunleavy, who can take Maggette's minutes, and his contract, while being just as big, is 2 yrs shorter.  They also pick up Hickson, who is a quality young big.  Balkman's contract isn't great but its manageable and Carter is just a salary equalizer who can be cut.  Admittedly, this doesn't look really appealing from the Warriors point of view and doesn't really make sense, but then again many moves by the Warriors haven't made much sense over the years.

Nuggets get Foster (who they covet), and A.J. Price, who can back up Billups and is very inexpensive for the next 3 yrs.  Also, they can resign Joey Graham after the Cavs cut him if they choose.  Giving up Lawson would be tough, but they want Foster and Price seems like he can play from the chances that we have been giving him.

Now the real team of interest: the Pacers.  We would get Big Z (and immediately cut him, to be re-acquired by Cavs), Ty Lawson, Anthony Randolph, and Corey Maggette.  We get the 11 mil in cap room next season and two good young players in Lawson and Randolph.  I understand that Randolph will be out for the year, most likely, but the guy is extremely athletic and really just needs a chance to get out of Nelly-ville.  I really think this guy can be a dominant, athletic big man, and gives us the athletic PF that Hibbert needs for defensive purposes.  We also get the PG of the future in Ty Lawson.  He's playing so well already that I can't see the Nuggets getting rid of him, but they want Foster and A.J. Price (while not as good as Lawson) does give them a young PG to work with.  It would suck to take back Maggette's terrible, horrible, awful, insert synonym for those words here contract, but when you look at it, Maggette's really not that bad.  The main thing about this deal is the constant truth that big name free agents don't come here.  So taking back this bad contract is worth it to get two quality building blocks, as cap space really doesn't matter a whole lot because we would end up spending too much for too little (see O'Neal, Jermaine).

The Pacers then go to war with this:
PG-Lawson/Watson; SG--Rush/D. Jones/Maggette; SF--Granger/Maggette; PF--Hansbrough/McBob (with Randolph coming next season); C--Hibbert/Solo Jones.  This team will be bad.  Top 5 pick bad.  But they will get a little playing time together and will develop together for the rest of the year.

Next season: Lawson, Granger, Randolph, Hibbert, Hansbrough, Top 5 Lottery Pick, and Rush.  That's a decent core going forward.  I know its crazy, especially for the Warriors, but its not really crazy.  Let the ripping commence! 




 

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Wow....

This could actually be the core to fixing all of these teams problems…. with some minor tweaking if I could.

1. Speedy Claxton’s contract makes this deal probably not work money wise… Take him out

2. To sweeten this deal for Golden State, add a swap of Brandon Rush for Devean George.

Now I find it hard to think that GS would want Dunleavy back but to exile Corey Maggette’s 4 year contract they just might do it. Plus. Denver only does this deal if they looooooooove Jeff Foster. Oh and there might need to be some shuffling of draft picks to make everyone happy.

But overall…. very nice…..

by B-Huse on Jan 13, 2010 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

The ESPN trade machine allowed it last night, but I agree that a Rush-George component would make this a sweeter deal for the Warriors. That would make it a 15 player deal, which would certainly lead SportsCenter.

by TheHawk5 on Jan 13, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I know you admitted as much

But I really can’t see the Warriors doing it. I know they want to dump Maggette, but I think they could find a better offer. I’m not sure how their front office feels about Dun but their fans still HATE him. When we’re there they boo him every time he touches the ball. Maybe if we gave them our 1st rounder next year.

by IndyPacers on Jan 13, 2010 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

It is really weak from the Warriors point of view

But I don’t see them getting a player much better than Dunleavy with Randolph’s injury. It will really boil down to who is willing to take Maggette’s contract for the pleasure of rostering Randolph. But with Randolph not being able to help this year (and who knows if the injury will be a hinderance in the future), a not as bad contract like Dun’s might be all they can get. I doubt any team will take Maggette’s contract and give up a basket of expiring deals just for the injured Randolph.
As for the fact they hate him there, that does present a problem. But at least he could keep rocking his yellow sports coat.

by TheHawk5 on Jan 13, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

they really do hate dunleavy in oakland, for whatever reason. he didnt draft himself 3rd overall and hold a gun to managements head while they gave him that contract. I dont even like this deal for us, taking on magette’s contract? really?

by 15ks on Jan 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, really.

I would much rather have this:
Lawson, Randolph, Maggette for the next 4 years
Than this:
Murphy and Dunleavy for 2 years, random overpaid free agent because we can’t get superstars in free agency for 2 years.

Randolph and Lawson would immediately put us on the right track. We have some terrible contracts right now, this trade would get rid of them and only get us one in return. When you are a team stuck with bad contracts, the only way you can get rid of them without taking back something bad is the year that they are expiring. No team takes on bad contracts (like Dunleavy’s) for nothing. This deal would help us much more than the one bad contract would hurt us.

by TheHawk5 on Jan 13, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But I mean, if golden state can get Hickson, Rush, and Balkman, then I see them liking that move…. Oh and Maggette gets booed just as much as Dunleavy and he’s still set to be there for 4 more years.

by B-Huse on Jan 13, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

No he doesnt. They like maggette when he’s making or not shooting his patented 19 footer. Dunleavy is a booed LOUDLY every time he touches it or checks.

by 15ks on Jan 13, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

They had an article saying that Maggette needed to be traded cause he was getting booed…. it was prolly 3 weeks ago…

by B-Huse on Jan 14, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok maybe not AS much, but the fans are sick of him. If he wasn’t wearing a golden state jersey he would get booed just as much as Dunleavy

by B-Huse on Jan 14, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Love how it gets the brain thinking...

And obviously the Pacers get the best part of this deal. While overall pretty fair, I think Denver would be the least inclined to do this. Even though they want Foster, and could use him, I cant see them giving up on Lawson after how good he has been, and their lack of PG real soon with Chauncey againg.

by captain flitzy on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

No way Denver does it

That’s half our bench. I’ll let you guys know right now Lawson is as close to untouchable as you can get on the Nuggets unless you’re named Chauncey or Melo. A Chris Bosh deal? Yes I could see Lawson being traded. Jeff Foster? no. Also, Anthony Carter has a bird year contract meaning he has to approve of any trade and he has already stated he would decline ANY trade (douche..not you, Anthony Carter, he’s not worthless but not worth much). The only rotation players I could really see the Nuggets dealing would be JR Smith or Nene, but probably not even Nene because Denver is so thin up front, thus the love for Jeff Foster

by Zachm219 on Jan 15, 2010 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the Nuggets side

And for crushing my dreams. Sigh. I’m really just hoping we do something and I got sick of waiting. But you’re probably right, especially since Foster has been in street clothes for a week and a half.

by TheHawk5 on Jan 15, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Im sure, like almost positive

the two sides will work something out. Word has it the Nugz were close to landing Foster last week. My guess, Foster and a future pick for JR Smith, thats really the only way a straight Nuggets Pacers Deal that I can see, there are of course countless other scenarios which involve a third team. Personally, I’d rather us try and package something for Murphy, but man that 11 million contract is a killer

by Zachm219 on Jan 15, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love that!

I would absolutely love a bidding war between the Nugs and the Cavs for Murphy. As for the Foster + future pick for JR, I really don’t want to get rid of any future picks until we are at a better stage of rebuilding than we are right now, which is to say not for a couple years. I don’t think we would do that because the contracts are so similar and I would imagine that JR wouldn’t be in our long term plans. That would give us JR for almost the same contract as Foster (who is a huge fan fav) playing the same position as an overpaid Dunleavy and a underachieving Rush. Just not seeing another SG added straight up for Foster unless it was a cost cutting move.

by TheHawk5 on Jan 16, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

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