IC Cold Links: Easy To See Why NBA Players Would Use PEDs
It's easy to find an incentive for NBA players to dabble in performance enhancing drugs (PEDs). In fact, a perfect case study is on the Indiana Pacers roster right now.
Gregg Doyle raises the point that no matter how many NBA writers or league and team officials minimize the use of PEDs in the NBA while looking to give Rashard Lewis the benefit of the doubt, there is every reason to think that PEDs are commonly used in the NBA just as they are in nearly every other sporting endeavor these days.
I happen to agree with Doyle just because it's so easy to understand the motivation for certain NBA players to look for an advantage.
In fact, prior to the Lewis suspension, when I heard reports of Josh McRoberts working his way into better shape and adding 15-20 pounds of muscle, my initial thought was: If you want an incentive for using PEDs, this is the case.
First, let me state that I'm not accusing Josh McRoberts of using PEDs and in fact I've heard him in interviews joke about it, so until proven otherwise I believe him. This is about his situation, and I only used his name because if I didn't and then explained the scenario it would be obvious which player I was talking about and then some may think I know more than I'm saying. I don't know more and I don't think McRoberts supplemented his hard work this summer with PEDs. OK?
As for the scenario, Mac's situation isn't perfect because he's still too young to feel the desperation of a last gasp effort to keep his NBA career alive. Still, Mac went into the summer without a contract and although it seemed like signing with a team (likely the Pacers) wouldn't be a problem, earning a chance to play would still be a struggle.
Mac needed to improve some offensively, but more importantly he needed more bulk to help him battle on the boards and in the paint on defense against bigger NBA frontcourt players. Plus, he had to be ready to play whenever and whereever the Pacers wanted him to play.
Unfortunately an ankle sprain subverted his summer wokout plans, but even in the limited time we saw him in Orlando, he appeared to be an improved player with the confidence to raise his game. The hard work was paying off.
There are a ton of fringe NBA players trying to stick in the league, trying to get a better contract, trying to get more playing time. If someone talks them into a PED they think they can get away with using, doesn't it seem obvious that a solid percentage of those players would take the risk? When you combine the being able to play basketball at the highest level along with the financial freedom an NBA career can produce, some may not consider a PED boost a risk but rather a given.
Then when you consider that enough is never enough, it easy to see how the incentive for PEDs escalates. You make a roster but now you want to start. You start but now you want to be a first or second option. You're a team leader but now you want to be an All-Star.
PEDs in basketball seem like a different beast to me, though. Yes, strength is an advantage but not like baseball or football. To me, the main advantage is in recovery rate which allows players to keep working and playing at a high level. In that context, the PEDs are closer to Advil than steroids in my mind, but at least the NBA has a testing program (despite the holes Doyle mentions) that has some teeth. Rashard Lewis is paying a price for his positive test as is his team with the suspension.
So, now the PED spotlight will be on the NBA as a story to follow. Tests will be monitored more closely and surely, some reporters will try to dig into the NBA workout culture for more answers. I just wonder if PED-numb fans will even care.
Here are a few other links of interest today:
- Pacers among The Dreamers
David Aldridge put up an offseason ranking of all NBA teams this past weekend and included the Pacers in The Dreamers category. - Griffin, Hansbrough resting summer injuries
Brian Mahoney reporrts from the NBA's rookie photo shoot about Blake Griffin and Tyler Hansbrough resting injuries in preparation for their first NBA season. - Granger involved in charity game in Brazil
According to this report, Danny Granger was in Brazil to support a charity game for Leandro Barbosa and Anderson Varejao. No word on DG actually playing, though.
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Couldn't agree more.
Yes, the PED problem is certainly much larger than anyone inside the league wants to admit. Obviously, this would shed a bad light on a league which wants to be in the spotlight with good news only. I think the use of PEDs in professional basketball is not much less than in sports which are much more in the headlines in connection with doping, like cycling, or to name US sports, baseball.
One more thing I would like to mention here are growth hormones. How many players in the NBA/professional basketball are said to have a “pterodactyl wingspan” or a wingspan much longer than their actual body height? Extensive use of growth hormone will extend your limbs, especially your hands/feet. It also has beneficial effects on your capacity to train/work out. Plus misuse is difficult to detect.
I don’t think the league, despite having “tests”, is really interested in uncovering the full extent of doping/use of PEDs. Rather it wants to pinpoint that there are a few “dark sheep” who have only taken the wrong dietary supplement. And banning someone for 5 or 10 games? In other sports, players/athletes are banned for at least 2 years following the first positive test, and lifelong when a test after the ban is positive.
by bodi on Aug 10, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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the effects of GH on lengthening limbs is overblown. most of your growth potential is used by the time you’ve started taking them. Sometimes people have long arms because… they have long arms.
GH would be almost worthless to NBA players. Now actual anabolics would help.
by shep31 on Aug 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and on top of that
you’re looking at the correlation wrong. Part of the reason these guys are good at basketball is their freakishly long arms. It’s not a situation where they were already good and decided to grow longer arms
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Aug 10, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think so
as soon as one writes something with respect to a certain drug/medication, all medical experts come out which seem to know it all. GH would be almost worthless to NBA players? Oh, come on….
Obviously, long, freakish arms help in being a basketball player and, yes, therefore such players will more likely to be selected by scouts. However, I think most of you underestimate the desire of athletes to get to the top level. Much like Cornrows has indicated before, if there is one thing that “may” help somebody to get the next level, they will do it.
by bodi on Aug 11, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying there’s no chance that it’s happening and I totally agree that if there’s anything they can do to get better, they will. I just think that the freakish wingspan thing is much more likely something they’re born with rather than something coming from drugs. But again, I do agree that plenty of players are probably doing everything possible to get better.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Aug 11, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if player is more prone to injury if he/she takes PEDs? There just seem to be a lot of injuries nowadays than I can ever remember before and players are a lot bigger than they used to. Do PEDs mean a player lifts more and works out more often? I remember when Jermaine O’neal was a skinny ass kid. Granted he had time to grow, but I wonder if he took PEDs and as a result, he’s been having lingering knee issues.
The two probably have no correlation at all, but I wanted to bring it up.
by Sparhawk on Aug 10, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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one thing peds will do is strengthen the muscle faster than ligaments therefore making it easer to tear. I believe that things like sprains would be lessened, back spazams would be almost non existent, and ‘strains’ would never happen. Also the player would likely never be sick. Steroids mask most feelings of sickness and to boost your metabolism by a lot.
by shep31 on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
the best reason to take PED’s is to come back from injury faster and to heal injuries, HGH being a prime example (Rodney Harrison’s excuse was injury, I think Pettite’s might have been too).
There are a number of reasons for increased injuries that make sense. Players are bigger, faster, stronger than ever before and the increase in power, speed, motion increase injuries. We also have made huge medical advances so a sore body part may be more likely to be diagnosed as a serious injury now instead of guys just playing through it
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Aug 10, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was on here...
Last week or 2 weeks ago, saying I wonder when it will come out that a player (and I suggested Ben Wallace) took steroids. I know people doubted what I was saying, but they are uesd in every sport. Shit, I know people who didnt play sports who took the stuff to stay in good shape and get in better shape!
by captain flitzy on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.indycornrows.com/2009/7/30/969042/ic-cold-links-dunleavy-could-be#18950092
and there is the link to it.
by captain flitzy on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if not Ben
definitely his brother. You see that roid rage when he was grabbed Fred Jones from the back and started throwing blows to his head?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Aug 10, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know PEDs are used in basketball. More than is reported probably...
but, I think the main reason why I didn’t think Ben Wallace would use it is because I was thinking along the lines of increased strength. The guy can’t shoot, so maybe he would need to use more strength to box out or push.
Other than that, after he left Detroit I don’t really know what he’s actually done…I know he was in Chicago and Cleveland and was disapointing. (And Ben Wallace’s brother will be permantly on my punk list.)
When it comes to basketball, I think PEDs would be used for injury reasons. In fact, I consider basketball in along the same sports line as gymnastics or figure skating. Stamina would benefit the athlete, but I consider those sports more for skill and technique….if that makes sense.
by Gwen on Aug 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh The general publics information about steroids or PED’s or whatever they are called is so terrible its sad. The media has put out so much information and exaggerations just to make cool stories. Sadly, this is where 90% get their roid info from.
First off, taking HGH to increase your wing span? Really? First thing is it isn’t going to increase it 6 inches or anything near that. Second… why would an NBA player with already long arms take HGH to have…. long arms? Kids are not taking HGH in college or high school because it is so freaking expensive. And a pro isn’t going to blow his money for an extra inch on his wing span if he is lucky. HGH is generally used by people trying to come back from an injury. generally, but their are always exceptions.
HIgh Testosterone is going to make you a slightly more aggressive creature. But this whole “ROID RAGE!!!!” thing has been blown completely out of the water when the media decided to focus on Benoit’s roid usage instead of all the fucking perscriptions he was on along with the tons of skull bushing he took throughout his wrestling career. people don’t RAGE!!!!!!… they are just slightly more aggressive than they were overall over the course of the day.
“People who take steroids will never be sick”…. seems you have never been around e-people or real people on roids. where did you get this comment from?
Once again, the whole “muscle gets too strong, ligaments/tendons tear” thing has been overblown. Can it happen… yes… but it is mostly talking about when lifting weights. This isn’t something that would happen playing a sport. you won’t have knee problems because he take steroids… you will have knee problems because you genetically have bad knees, your 250lbs, and you play a sport where you run and jump for 48 minutes.
Are they used in bball? fuck yes… they are in every sport. Would it be like the levels in baseball and football? No, due tot he nature of the sport. Baseball and football or quick bursts of movement followed by no activity. Basketball is more of a stamina sport. IMO, if they were going to be used, they would be used to return back from an injury faster. I really doubt many are using them to actually enhance their performance on the court.
by dbcb on Aug 11, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
right
You get the feeling that in the next decade or two we’ll get to the point where no one cares about steroid use. Overall it seems like the media is completely up in arms over it while a good number of fans don’t care. Bill James wrote an article recently about the “steroids era” in baseball and said about the same, he figures 2 things will happen to change the perception. First, someone in the hall of fame will end up admitting to steroids and people will have to start deciding where to draw the line. If a guy did steroids once and was great, he still gets in, but a guy who used it for a few years? Where do you draw the line? More importantly though, he was saying that it won’t take long before the everyday public starts using more drugs like HGH, steroids, whatever just to stay young and healthy. And when it becomes common for us normal people, it won’t seem so weird for the athletes.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Aug 11, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is funny is the fact that baseball fans think that all of their legends were clean… like steroids didn’t exist back in the day or something…
Football is what is weird. I guarantee you they have more steroid abuse than baseball. And they catch people every once in a while. But the fans simply don’t give a shit. They just like to watch football. I don’t know why baseball fans aren’t like that (well actually I do… they are nerds obsessed with stats)
by dbcb on Aug 11, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball has all sorts of tainted eras
Not allowing black people surely made it easier for Babe Ruth. They lowered/raised the mound. The ball has been juiced (allegedly). I don’t know the history too well but I know that it’s tough to say any era was pure.
You’re right though in that it is all about stats. Baseball is a sport where to a certain extent you can compare stats from different eras and make something of it. Steroids is making that less true (and also showing that other eras were also tainted).
It is interesting how people in football don’t care as much. I’m a huge NFL fan and don’t really care in either league. But hell, Merriman almost won DPOY the same year he tested positive. And football is all about strength and emotion, etc. It fits there a lot better. Interesting stuff but eventually no one’s gonna care.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Aug 12, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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uh yeah I have been around people on ‘roids’ they’re never sick while on their cycle. Coming off of their cycle is another story. anabolics do mask feelings of being sick.
and I never said that the ligaments would tear due to this, if you can put more torque on a ligament than before without the ligament also strengthening the risk is higher but you’re right 9 times out of 10 a blown ACL in a steroids user is just bad luck.
by shep31 on Aug 11, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i guess this is just a different experience thing. i have seen/heard people get sick on roids because they were pissed they were wasting a cycle battling a virus
by dbcb on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
















