Putting Dahntay Jones Contract in Perspective (with poll)
Some People were wondering why we gave Jones as much money as we did. He got 4 years 11 million, which averages out to 2.75 million per year.
So after the jump, there are a list of players who made will make around 2.75 million this year. I went through every team using HoopsHype, however players on their rookie contracts are not counted obviously as they are the best value in the NBA.
I will let you draw your own conclusions, but I think the Pacers used their money wisely. 2-3 million doesn't get you a lot in the NBA and the Pacers got a playoff starter who fills a very big need for them.
Jarvis Hayes- 2.0
Anthony Johnson- 2.1
Chuck Hayes- 2.1
Michael Finley- 2.5
Maurice Evans- 2.5
Ricky Davis- 2.5
Sebastian Telfair- 2.5
Craig Smith- 2.5
Dahntay Jones- 2.75
Eddie House- 2.8
Mark Madsen- 2.8
Eduardo Najera- 3.1
Damien Wilkins- 3.3
Chucky Atkins- 3.4
Kelenna Azubuike- 3+
Carl Landry- 3
Charlie Bell- 3.5+
Brian Scalabrine- 3+
C.J. Miles- 3.7
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I wish the people who voted no would explain themselves
by dbcb on Jul 9, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well i voted yes but i was somewhat leaning towards no,
i do think the contract is a good one, especially since he is a younger player that could work and get even better, cause he needs too. We say we got him for defensive purposes but it’d still be nice to have a person who can put up maby 6-10pts a game off the bench when Rush isn’t in, i think he can probably do that but im not positive, his jumpshot is terrible but he is atheltic enough to drive to the rim. But anyways, i voted yes. I think this is a good pickup for the team we have no, and i think we are one…maybe two? pieces from a solid playoff team next year.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on Jul 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He will get most of his points on the fast break using his freakish athletic ability.
by dbcb on Jul 9, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definite yes
It’s the length of the contract that gave me pause, but at only about $6 mil over his last two years, that’s not too crippling. He reminds me a little of Darvin Hamm, if Hamm had played the game a little longer. You can tell Jones knows how to play, but his offensive fundamentals just aren’t very good. He’s gotten by on hustle, athleticism and defense, and that’s great, because those are all characteristics the Pacers desperately need more of. Granger, Murphy, Ford, Jack, Dunleavy and Rush can handle the offense.
One guy who’s going to make only about $3 mil a year over the next two years, according to rumors on realgm, is Anthony Parker. Seriously? Parker is an all-star compared to some of the schmucks you mentioned in the 3 mil salary range. And I think Jones is one of the top two or three players on the list overall in that range (the others being Brown, who we wanted and Landry…House and Charlie Bell are too one dimensional).
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by LukeNukem on Jul 9, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah 4 years is a bit long for a guy who’s basically had one good year in the league. But it’s low enough that it can’t hurt us too much. All he has to do is be solid and it’s worth it.
And again, about the lack of offensive skills, who cares? We scored the 5th most points in the league, we don’t need more. We need to be more worried about not being 5th in most points allowed and this will help
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by psvirsky on Jul 10, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more i look the more like,
From what i saw he wasn’t the greatest defender but if thats what he prides himself on he could only get better, and he semi young enough to get better on offense too, and heck maybe this is somewhat of a flyer signing, but he still has plenty of upside.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If anyone cares
here’s what Hollinger had to say about it
Ridiculous contract, this year’s Eduardo Najera. What makes it worse is Indy was already in danger of being a tax team next year, even before paying Jarret Jack, and the Pacers already had a stopper-in-training with Brandon Rush.
by smg31085 on Jul 10, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger's a huge dweeb
Hollinger’s like that nerdy fantasy football guy who only pays attention to aggregate season total lists and ignores matchups, weather and other outside factors. I respect his body of work, but he knows nothing about basketball situations, and with this comment he’s leading me to believe that he doesn’t know much about the players he analyzes for a living.
Comparing Eduardo Najera, a tweener with limited athleticism to Jones, a clear 2-guard with outlandish athleticism is a huge reach. Maybe Jones can be compared to other defensive-minded athletic 2s like Quintin Ross or Matt Barnes, but not Najera. Najera is the Mexican Brian Cardinal.
As for his “stopper-in-training” comment, as much as I like Rush, he’s not really a playoff caliber stopper, and there’s nothing I’ve seen to suggest that he will be in the next two years while the Pacers are building a playoff team. Jones, on the other hand, is already a playoff caliber stopper. I mean, he just is. He started 71 games for a team that went deep into the playoffs last year and was their designated stopper. This move provides depth because he’ll likely play behind Rush and as of now, he makes just a little more money. The tax team comment is silly too. The Pacers are only in danger of paying the luxury tax because the league surprised everyone with a drastic salary cap decrease (I mean everyone saw a decrease coming, but not such a big one). They only have 9 guys signed who will be active participants by the start of the regular season. What kind of money did Hollinger want them to spend? If it were up to him, the Pacers would have signed all undrafted rookie free agents to minimum contracts.
Finally, as I said, he’s a nerd who doesn’t really know basketball…just stats. As fun as it is to talk about PER, he’s sanctimonious to think his little made up measurement is actually an incredibly accurate gauge of game-impact. There are plenty of things players like Jones do outside of the box scores that make them worthwhile. Look at the conference finals teams from last year. L.A. had Shannon Brown in their regular playoff rotation and he had an ugly 12.9 PER…um…they won the damn title with him playing as much as Jones will play for the Pacers! Other rotation guys from LA (PER in parentheses): Luke Walton (11.9), Derek Fisher (12.1) and Jordan Farmar (9.9). Boobie Gibson got plenty of burn in Cleveland with his atrocious 10.1 PER. Mikeal Pietrus was an 11.7, Courtney Lee a 10.8.
In no way does a tough, athletic, young guy known for defense and who started 71 games on a conference finals team last year (in the more competitive Western Conference) being signed at under $3 mil a year for a team without any quality perimeter defenders qualify as “ridiculous.” He’s just looking at his PER lists and talking out of his ass.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
by LukeNukem on Jul 10, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one thing PER does struggle with is defense (as with all stat geek numbers). it is just hard to measure intagibles
his PER in the playoffs jumped to 13.9… which is a time of year a defensive stopper (except against kobe) can excel
by dbcb on Jul 10, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not it
PER doesn’t measure lots of things. It doesn’t measure all sorts of intangibles….leadership, taking charges, diving for lose balls. Anyone who’s ever played basketball with someone who’s willing to put their body in harm’s way for a lose ball or get up in someone’s face who’s being too physical knows the huge positive effect that behavior can have on the rest of the team. But then, Hollinger probably never played basketball.
The other thing that PER doesn’t gauge, which I’m most excited about, is the level of enthusiasm Jones will be able to generate with posterization-style dunks. I think Freddie Jones was the last quality dunker the Pacers had at Conseco, and this cat’s more emphatic. Fans should love him. The more fan energy, the more ticket sales and revenue for this struggling franchise…not to mention a greater home court advantage like we used to enjoy.
He’s certainly not the Pacers savior, and none of his dunks will change the fact that he can’t shoot, has a suspect handle and turns the ball over a lot. But Hollinger be damned, it was a good signing.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
by LukeNukem on Jul 10, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I meant "loose" not "lose"
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by LukeNukem on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post dbcb
i don’t understand why people are saying this is a waste of $$, that we paid too much. i saw that john hollinger was all outraged at the contract we DJ, comparing it to najera. I don’t get that.. 2.75 mil for the starting 2 guard, go to defender of a western conference finalist? sounds reasonable to me……
by BenD on Jul 10, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I found this randomly... a David Thrope chat about Jones...
Q: How impressive has Dahntay Jones been in the playoffs? I remember watching him at Duke, he was always a great athlete. Is he an elite on the ball defender?
A: Maybe just one step below elite. I’m really glad for him.
by dbcb on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Length of the contract is a concern, and I'm not sold on the idea that Indy needed to spend money on a "stopper" (as poor as they were defensively)
But Jones is indeed a solid “stopper,” and can hit that corner 3-ball when needed. Decent acquisition—the per-year salary is about right, it’s the years that are wrong, IMO—for the Pacers.
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 11, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
Because he’s really, really awful.
by SethGrandpa on Jul 11, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No player in the NBA
is awful. At all.
by pacers33 on Jul 12, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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