Summer League Open Thread #3: Indiana Pacers vs. Utah Jazz

by Tom Lewis on Jul 8, 2009 6:40 AM EDT in News Comment 63 comments

The summer Pacers are back in action this afternoon at 3:00PM EDT when they take on the Utah Jazz summer replica in Orlando. The Jazz will trot out rookie PG Eric Maynor who was in the discussion for the Pacers' first round pick. Here's more on the summer Jazz roster.

You can catch the action streaming live today from the Magic's summer league site. Please drop by with your comments on the game while watching so you can keep me updated. I'll struggle to see much of this one.

UPDATE: Hansbrough signs contract with Pacers (thanks, dbcb)

After the jump, a few links of interest:

NBA salary cap drops to $57.7 million for '09-10
The NBA salary cap has been set for next season at $57.7 million and more importantly the luxury tax threshold is $69.92 which matches most estimates and leaves the Pacers with the $8 million they expected to have availble this summer.
Time to pick it up
Mike Wells lays out the stark reality facing Larry Bird which will make any trades or free agent signings this summer difficult.
NBA memo: Prepare for lower cap in 2010-11 - ESPN
Marc Stein looks at the impact of the reduced salary cap this year and next.
In NBA, hunt for bargains is on
Chris Colston reports on the NBA free agent market. With the salaries down players are looking for other benefits like say, a winning team.
Bob Kravitz: Bird wants players, and any color will do
Bob Kravitz delves into the racial makeup of the Pacers' current roster with comments from Larry Bird who obviously couldn't care less about the perceptions of anyone else. What I found interesting was that Bird revealed his draft thoughts had the deal with Chicago gone through. Ty Lawson was his choice if Hansbrough was not available and later in the first round he was looking at Sam Young or Wayne Ellington.
James Harden, Tyler Hansbrough impress in summer league
AP report from Orlando on the impressions made by Harden and Hansbrough.
PACERS: Hibbert, Hansbrough spark victory
David Benner reports on the action from Orlando for Pacers.com
PBN | More summer fun
Sam Amico continues reporting his observations from Orlando.
Orlando Summer League: Day 2 | NBADraft.net
Jason Stone reports on the games from Orlando.
No longer in a Rush, game flowing smoothly
Bruno's latest Caught in the Web looks at Brandon Rush's developing game.

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The NEW Cornrows...

Cornrows, I gotta give you credit. This website has really gotten a ton of traffic over the last few weeks, alot of new insightful members, it is great. 122 comments on a PRESEASON GAME! You have done an awesome job on building the site, and it is just great to see how much it has grown. Even though 90 % of the time I write, i don’t punctuate, I have typos, and all run-on sentences, I still love to come on here and BS with all the people and trade scenarios and matchups and playoff possibilities, and Troy Murphys ballfakes. I hope it stays like this throughout the whole season, it really gives me great stuff to read during work. Keep up the goodwork. Thanks.

by captain flitzy on Jul 8, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

the hansbrough effect?

pacers were/are getting a lot of action all over the web good and bad

by dbcb on Jul 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and it wasn’t even a preseason game… its like a prepreseason game lol

by dbcb on Jul 8, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, cap

I always consider you the “Mayor” of this site for sticking it out through a couple of bad seasons. Hopefully the team can keep the buzz going once the season starts.

Indy Cornrows

by Tom Lewis on Jul 8, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dang,

Cap gets to be the Fred Hoiberg of the site and I actually have 9 days seniority on him. I guess that makes me the Governor.

by ThirtyOne on Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

heh

more like the Secretary of Defense, shooting down any hype or excess expectations. Someone has to keep us grounded in reality.

Indy Cornrows

by Tom Lewis on Jul 8, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

by captain flitzy on Jul 8, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just playing my position.

by ThirtyOne on Jul 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do I get a position??

I believe I have more seniority than both of you. haha but you guys have more comments than me :(

by pacers33 on Jul 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*

by pacers33 on Jul 8, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excited.

Let’s hope we can add an explosive wing player/role wing player before the season starts. Shawn Marion would look great in a Pacer uniform and could regain his PHO swagger in the up-tempo offensive. Maybe the asking price is too high but a couple sub par years might have cheapened his value. I still like the idea of Matt Barnes off the bench too. Bird has to make another couple moves to get this team into the playoffs without compromising the franchises long-term plans.

by Liffick on Jul 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Love Barnes, would LLOVVEEE to see him as a Pacer. He is a Free Agent right?

by captain flitzy on Jul 8, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes

by dbcb on Jul 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

check that...

just read the fan posts.

by captain flitzy on Jul 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Summer League!!!

First off, props for the site. This is now my go-to source for Pacer info. Keep up the Twitter feeds.

Next: these summer league games are oddly enjoyable. The announcers are priceless. I plan on watching this afternoon so at least you will have ONE person reading comments.

Lastly: I’ve come full circle with the way this team is being built. No need for a huge splash in the free agent pool….yet.

by STLPacerFan on Jul 8, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m pumped.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why are people bashing them? The only reason to watch these games is them.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hansbrough with a huge block, then Trey Johnson nice pump fake, one dribble, and drains an 18’. Utah up 8-4

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dunk by Hungry Hungry Hibbert.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

anyone else having trouble with the stream not showing up???

by dbcb on Jul 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was at first, but now it is working. Close the window and try the link again.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow! Nice left handed hook by Hibbert!

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

8’ left hand hook. Love it!

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great the Pacers are getting press… But for the “white” issue? Must be a slow sports day

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/11191/300_nba-orlandmagic_060502.asx

For anyone else interested

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Feed

I have never been able to get the feed to work well. I can generally get audio, but never been able to get video

by indy62 on Jul 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

AJ Price finding the range from three. Hansbrough finding his way to the line.

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not watching..

but hes gonna LIVE at the line this year.

by captain flitzy on Jul 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

JOSH MCROBERTS ON THE MIC!

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good, it is just a sprain.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just a sprain!

These guys are so money.

by STLPacerFan on Jul 8, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

5 years 50 million for McRoberts. Get it done.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Samson reference almost made me fall out of my chair.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PUT BACK BY HHH

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I really hope HHH sticks.

by indy62 on Jul 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pacers having some trouble getting defensive boards.

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Story of the first half: Josh McBobs on the mic!

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hibbert attacking strong! Good to see him putting some moves on the block.

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How possible would it be

for Dante and Galante to conduct the in-game interviews with coaches during the NBA playoffs? I feel like that alone would jump ratings 20 percent.

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pacers to be discussed

on PTI at 5:30 p.m. EST on ESPN…the “white” issue is reaching national news

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Great the Pacers are getting press… But for the “white” issue? Must be a slow sports day

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hansbrough making a living from the line 12-12. AJ Price really looks comfortable on the offensive end handling the ball and hitting jumpers

by jantz101 on Jul 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Price is making crisp and on the mark passes…looking good today

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hansbrough: Dunk City!

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Like the scream from Five-Oh

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thorpe with some nice advice for Roy Hibbert

Remember how Mickey had Rocky chasing chickens to prepare for Apollo’s speed? I’d do that with Hibbert. His nimbleness would improve a ton. Especially if Roy could only eat what he catches.

I think Hibbert can be a starter for a good team if only he could move better in tight spaces. I’d try anything I were him to get quicker.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 8, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Thorpe...

is that him being critical, ORRR him trying to get himself a new client, as he does train lots of players??? I say the former, but I’m sure he wouldn’t mind working wit big roy. And quite honestly, I would love to see it as well.

by captain flitzy on Jul 8, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Patrick Ewing now being interviewed

by Dante and Galante…should be awesome

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah that was fun

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

PUT BACK BY HANSBROUGH, AND SHRIEKED. I LOVE TYLER HANSBROUGH.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Jul 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice work

These last 5 minutes are the first summer league I’ve been able to watch and Hansbrough really has played well, not that I didn’t believe everyone’s comments or anything, but it’s nice to see

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pacers win 95-79

Finally, a Blue and Gold squad that can hold a double-digit lead

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and win 3 in a row!

by indy62 on Jul 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Big Roy and tyler play well?

Anyone else? AJ, Rush?

"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde

by cfizzle on Jul 8, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Quick recap and box score

can found here:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/IND-UTA_recap_070809.html
http://www.nba.com/media/magic/induta_boxscore_070809.pdf

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

0 Turnovers for Tyler, i like that alot.

"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde

by cfizzle on Jul 8, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and only 3 fouls in 28 min. for Hibbert...call that a win

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed, boy itd be nice if those two could turn out special players.

"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde

by cfizzle on Jul 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hibbert and Hansbrough

“He’s (Hibbert) showing me around Indy right now,” Hansbrough said about his growing friendship with his new teammate. “I just try to get him the ball and let him go to work.”

by spstevenson on Jul 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hungry herbert and hustling hansburr

what a duo. i really hope to see a lot of this come reg season haha! yeyy pacers!

by kookygoddess on Jul 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Radio Talk Show Comments About Pacers

It’s amazing all the negativity coming from Radio talk show hosts (and even some Pacer fans) about WHY the Pacers can’t ascend more quickly to playoff and even championship basketball. It’s obvious the Pacers have been rebuilding this team by drafting 4yr college players (versus Freshman or Sophomore college players with potential & upside). We also don’t have a great market or even city or even NBA star(s) that might attract other FREE AGENTS .

In fact, it’s only been a recent ‘FAD’ that aging NBA stars are going either via trades (for 1-3 players with same total salary) or signing for only the mid-level cap to join NBA teams with other aging NBA stars for a CHANCE to compete for a NBA Title. It’s also obvious that NBA teams with either great NBA history such as Boston or Lakers or great locations such as Miami or Dallas or Houston (or New York’s huge market potential) have the advantage over the smaller market NBA teams (or an NBA team residing in cold weather country).

That being said, I strongly believe that Larry Bird can ONLY rebuild through the draft by getting experienced, proven college players (and pay them much less with the rookie pay scale) with his eye toward the future (2010) when he may be able to pull a blockbuster trade or sign one or two Free Agents who WILL want to play with proven and up&coming NBA players like Granger, Hibbert, Rush, Tyler. Plus, Larry and other GMs realize that current Eastern (and some Western) Conference teams’ star players are nearly at the end of the respective NBA careers.

These same NBA teams can ONLY rebuild by basically hoping to find a gulliable GM to trade-off these aging superstars for their younger players. Both the Lakers and Celtics had been going nowhere in the playoffs until Memphis GM, Jerry West (old Laker Hall of Famer), basically gave away Paul Gasol to the Lakers. Same thing with Boston. If the two of the BIG three in Boston don’t sign or get traded to Boston, Paul Pierce would have retired with ZERO NBA Titles. Now, Dwyane Wade and Lebron James are ‘conspiring’ to play together somewhere in the very near future. Depending on which NBA team is more stacked and close to win a NBA Championship, the other signs there!!

So, bottom line: Chill out Indiana!! Let Larry Bird keep reaping the 4yr college player harvest that he’s currently reaping and let’s hope our marketing guys (and Granger, Hibbert, Tyler, & Rush) can convince a young stud or two to sign with us in 2010 when we’re making noise in the playoffs (and it’s obvious to a free agent that he could get us over the top)!!

by Pacerman on Jul 8, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I still think the city location is overrated...

I can only count NY, LA, Miami and possibility Phoenix as destinations that offer other things than other NBA cities that may appeal to a player. Boston stunk for years and finally got Garnett/Allen and the other missing pieces. Now ppl want to play there. Sorry, but Houston and Dallas do not belong in ‘great city’ locations (no offense).

I’m OK with how the team is rebuilding and while the Hansbrough pick made me go "whaaa?’ I also knew this was a thin draft. My goal for the team this year is the same as last year…better their record from the previous year and hopefully make the playoffs.

While Big Roy and Hansbrough have played well…remember, it’s only summer league. (I have to keep telling myself that)

by Gwen on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs