What is Tyler's Ceiling?
by dbcb on Jun 26, 2009 10:54 AM EDT
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With all the analyzing and hatred over the pick, it is generally considered that Bird played it safe and drafted someone who should have some worth but isn't going to set the world on fire. He isn't going to put us over the top. But, best case scenario, how good can Tyler be?
His pro's are apparently his winning pedigree, his motor/effort, and he has a decent mid range jump shot. However, his con's are certainly his size (6-8), his post moves (they will get swatted), he is not very athletic (screw workout athleticism), and the fact he is already 24 years old.
What is his ceiling? Many people compare him to Jeff Foster, but Foster is listed at 6-11 and does not have a jump shot. The next effort guy that comes to my head is Varejao of Cleveland, but once again he is listed at 6-11. He does not have the athleticism to be like similar sized Ben Wallace. Paul Millsap comes to mind, but once again is he athletic enough?
Someone mentioned Millsap down there and I wanted to make a post about it...
If you check Draft Express for pre-draft measurement, Hansbrough is actually taller and rated more athletic.
The big difference between the two? Look at their rebounding in College...
Hansbrough: 7.8, 7.9, 10.2, 8.1
Millsap: 12.5, 12.4, 13.3
So, Hansbrough rates as more athletic, much taller, and supposedly has a great motor, yet wasn't near the rebounding monster as Millsap was in college. Discouraging.
So what say you... What is Psycho-T (horrid nickname, worse than T-bone or whatever he wants you to call him) best case scenario?
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Mark Madsen
Career stats of 2.2 pts and 2.6 rbs. I think that’s about right.
by ThirtyOne on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats who popped in my head but I couldn’t type it out or I might cry.
by dbcb on Jun 26, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madsen might be likely but that's not his ceiling
If he can continue to shoot the jumper like he does, I think his ceiling for scoring might involve hitting 3 or 4 open 10-12 foot jump shots a game and score a couple garbage buckets off fast breaks or offensive rebounds. He’s not huge but he’s not tiny either. So his size is alright. My guess at a ceiling on rebounds is something like 5 or 6.
All of this is predicated on him playing about 20 minutes a game. At that rate, my take on his ceiling is 10 points and 5 boards a night with a few hustle plays thrown in. Which makes him an okay backup PF and 8th best guy on a team.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But,
If Tyler is getting 20 minutes a night for a team in the NBA that team isn’t winning a lot games. IMHO.
by ThirtyOne on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but realistically, it’ll probably happen.
In my ideal world, we fall into the lottery again and pick up a beast of a PF. Someone like Favors, Ed Davis or Cousins. With him starting and playing 30-35 minutes a game, I would be quite content with Hansborough coming in for the other 15 minutes or so and bring some good white boy hustle off the bench
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Rush
Last year when the Pacers drafted Rush, it was generally considered “playing it safe”, because he was viewed as one of the most NBA-ready talents of a deep draft, but not with as much upside as many other prospects. However, many people (including me) were dispappointed after 2/3 of the season because the “most NBA ready” prospect was playing mediocre compared to many other players of his draft class, including quite a few drafted behind him. In the end though we learned that he still has quite some “upside” within him and hope that the last few games of the season are an indication for the future.
Hansbrough is a hardworking young man. I guess he will face adversity trying to play his game against NBA talent, but he will eventually improve and be a factor. Just like Brandon.
by bodi on Jun 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You saw his ceiling last year ...
When he was carried by a great coach and 3 other NBA players in the NCAA’s
by Man of Pace on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so...
when JOB is let go at the end of the season and we pick up a great coach, he’ll be on a team full of NBA players. Because it’s the NBA, right? They must be NBA players.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need Amare
To make this draft a success …..
Hoping to see Ford, Foster and or Murphy packaged for Amare sometime in July …..
by Man of Pace on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it sounds like everyone thinks the Warriors are getting Amare
And while I definitely want another star player as badly as anyone else, Amare isn’t my top choice. He would definitely be exciting and the Pacers would be a lot more fun to watch, there’s no doubt about that. But unless he matures a lot, he just doesn’t seem like a championship caliber player. He’s too much of a prima donna and just doesn’t play enough D. I read Seven Seconds or Less a month back and it was interesting to hear insider thoughts on him. When he was injured, I guess he made a mediocre effort at best to rehab. For a guy who had only had one year of serious success, that raises a bit of a red flag.
No doubt, the guy is talented and fun to have on your team, I just don’t think he has the motivation and desire to reach his potential. That could change with maturity, but you never know when that will hit.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ceiling is Luke Walton or Austin Croshere
Floor is Mark Madsen or Joe Wolf
Probable outcome is a better Brian Scalabrine or possibly a Ryan Gomes type of player
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gomes might be my favorite comparison so far
in terms of what’s most likely to happen. I think you’re the second person mentioning Scal however, and living here in Boston, I really hope that doesn’t happen. He is not a fun guy to watch. He’ll make a 3 here and there and hustles but that’s it. I hope Hansborough becomes better at banging down low and doing dirty work.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ceiling – Boozer?
Floor – Foster lol
by captain flitzy on Jun 26, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his floor is probably lower than Foster
Boozer isn’t actually that bad. Not quite enough athleticism though but he’s got a better motor
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think hansbrough is as strong as boozer either
by dbcb on Jun 26, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about..
a millsap type? The league rewards undersized guys who do not stop, ever.
by captain flitzy on Jun 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a dream. Millsap’s best quality is rebounding which Tyler couldn’t even do very well in college. I think Millsap is a lot better of a pro.
by ThirtyOne on Jun 26, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah doesn't have the athleticism to do that kind of rebounding
Not sure about the jump shot though, he might be a better shooter than Millsap, FWIW
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooo yea now i see it
whoops..but i do think hansbrough will rebound jus fine in the pros.
by captain flitzy on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just added this in my post...
If you check Draft Express for pre-draft measurement, Hansbrough is actually taller and rated more athletic.
The big difference between the two? Look at their rebounding in College…
Hansbrough: 7.8, 7.9, 10.2, 8.1
Millsap: 12.5, 12.4, 13.3
So, Hansbrough rates as more athletic, much taller, and supposedly has a great motor, yet wasn’t near the rebounding monster as Millsap was in college.Discouraging.
by dbcb on Jun 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
floor is def a madsen, not foster. Foster is 3 inches taller
by dbcb on Jun 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely not yet
although his 15 foot jumper is really solid and he didn’t have that 2 years ago
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If u saw the following Pacers in an airport...
Dunleavy, Muprhy, Diener, Foster, Hansbrough, McRoberts, you would assume they were
a)basketball players
b)a high shcool volleyball team
c) a swimming team
d)pilots
I say b
by captain flitzy on Jun 26, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a second
4 of those guys are like 6’9 or bigger, you’ve gotta at least think college volleyball, right?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler
(I posted this in another topic, but i just figured I would paste it here as well)
Alright here we go…. First off…the draft was amazing last night, and this year marked the beginning of a long streak of me-going-to-drafts, i can guarantee that. I know I have said it a million times that I am a Carolina Fan, and i watch as much as I can of them on national TV and read up on them and blah blah blah. my mind was in a tornado last night when this pick was announced. My favorite college player getting picked by my favorite pro team, except i didnt want him necessarily. (i compared it to getting kicked in the balls but still ejaculating, you figure it out) I loved Hansbrough to death, and have probably argued pro-Hansbrough 8 million times over the last 4 years. Here’s the deal with him (IMHO). The guy is a MUCH better basketball player than he has ever been given credit for, the records he has broken (most notably all-time acc leading scorer), the touch from the line, the WAY IMPROVED mid range jumper, and even the ability to hit those crazy ass ugly shots. I used to think those were alot of luck, but u know what? After seeeing it time and time and time and time again, it is not luck, this is how he plays. That is how he shoots, and it is hard to argue with the results. But, even though it has been discussed at length, his tenacity. I literally have never seen anyone at any level goes as hard as he goes at all times. It sounds so cliche, but I really believe it this time. If you were a coach showing a player how to go hard at all times, is there one other player you could think of that you would show video of? He is the most intense focused dude ever. And last night proved it. My little cousin is a HUGE hansbrough fan, and the whole reason he wanted to go to the draft was to see him. Long story short, the 4 of us ended up getting backstage, met Hansbrough and Roy Williams, and actually took NBA photos with them during their photo shoot. I have never in my life met somoene so just intense. 10 minutes prior we were hanging with Steph and Dell Curry and his family, and Steph was one of the most chill, likable personable "celebrities" I ever met. Real Easy going. Tyler was a whole different story. He was not mean or being a dick by any means, he just really had that look in his eye like he wanted to box me out and be the first one in the picture.
I wanted Jennings, I know everyone wanted Holliday when he fell, and I thought Blair would be the pick. We got Hansbrough. He wont slack off, but is that good enough? I think we will be impressed by him, I really do. Not saying he will be an all-star, and i know we REALLY need some talent. But I think Bird has something coming, and Hansbrough will be staying. For now though, we have to welcome him with open arms, and enjoy watching him every day. As for becoming an OKC fan, for whoever wrote that before, last year my second team was portland, this year it is OKC. When I was in vegas 2 weeks ago, i put 10 bucks for me and my friend on OKC to win it all at 250 to 1 lol. And i also put 10 on indiana at 45-1. When it comes down to it, i dont know how mad I am at the pick, I think Bird will take risks when he has to, but do u necessarily have to go all in when its not really a big pot?
by captain flitzy on Jun 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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