2009 NBA Draft Open Thread
by Tom Lewis on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
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After wading through several weeks of speculation, workouts, rumors and more speculation, it's finally time for the 2009 NBA Draft. Please use the comments for your reactions to capture all of the excitement and/or outrage as the draft unfolds. If you hear about a rumor or an actual deal, share with the class. Any and all draft-related comments are welcomed.
Make sure you keep a Pacers.com browser open, as well. Conrad Brunner and myself will be blogging the action from the Fieldhouse. For a little additional reading, here's another story I meant to link earlier:
- Bird rebuilding Pacers, slow but sure
Cliff Brunt digs into the rebuilding job Larry Bird is directing.
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first!
just kidding.
Anyone read any fun rumors lately about tonight?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
i just got a call
from a friend, who says he heard amare stoudemire and barbosa to the thunder for draft picks and as a salary dump???? LITERALLY NO CLUE the credibilty of that, he said he heard it from a friend who is a suns fan, who im assuming was reading a message board or something? Interesting to think about. ITS NOT FAIR, I WANT AMARE!
by captain flitzy on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds quite unlikely
they just saved about $9 million (4.5 plus luxury tax) in the shaq trade so they don’t need to dump too much more
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
from draftexpress.com's live blog
Vince Carter is apparently close to getting traded for Tony Battie, Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston. The trade is “80% done” according to a source, but there are other trades available to the Magic.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Big day!
Hi everyone. I’ve been lurking around here all last season and figured this is as good a time to start posting as any. Love this blog.
I’ve heard rumors that Houston is trying to move into the lottery and Landry’s name seems to be tossed around. So the question, what would you think about swapping the #13 for Landry?
hope not...
I like him, but i wanna shoot for the stttaarrrrrsssss tonite hahah
by captain flitzy on Jun 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't do it straight up
but I’m a big fan of Landry and wouldn’t mind figuring out a way to get him. If we could somehow move back to the 20-24 range for landry, I would do it.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
If we are going to pick a PF anyways...
What you need to ask yourself is: would you would rather have Landry or Blair?
ight im leaving for the draft now...
ill catch u clowns tomorrow…..JENNINGS JENNINGS JENNINGS JENNINGS JENNINGSS!! pppeaacccccccccceeeeeee
Magic?
If this is the case:
“Vince Carter is apparently close to getting traded for Tony Battie, Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston. The trade is “80% done” according to a source, but there are other trades available to the Magic."
Maybe the Magic would be interested in the Tinsley deal again…. They’ll need another point guard. I know they were a bit more desperate around the trade deadline due to Nelson’s injury, but hey, a guy can dream….
Both sides have agreed
to the deal according to ESPN. Looks like it’s just waiting for some signatures. Who got the best of the deals today: the Magic or Cavs?
Tough call
Both teams improved without parting with much. I actually really liked New Jersey’s side of it. Harris, Lee, and Brooks is a good young top three to build around.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Nets
picked up a lot of salary that will come off the books in 2010 ($16.5 million). ESPN says the deal will save them $40 million.
Set to make a big splash next summer?
I don’t think the Nets are going to be much better in 09-10 (if they don’t make anymore big moves), but they could ascend to the East’s elite very quickly with a good free agent pickup next summer.
Can’t say I’m not envious of all that wiggle room.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but they lost Ryan Anderson, who is an absolute god.
Not as useful as Rated-R Superstar, but, hey!, I stick my Grease watching to once a weekend.
by rollonubears on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
One Hour!!!!
I’m starting to really get excited!!
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
Oh man...
Cannot wait, cannot wait, cannot wait!!!
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
The party has started at the Fieldhouse
Lotta head-scratchin here about Vince to Orlando. Jeff Foster’s comment: Ridiculous
Mock drafts are
pouring in online. Bleacher Report says the Pacers will tab Jennings; RealGM says its Blair. A lot of people seem set that Jennings will fall to the Pacers. If he does, should we take him?
Jennings is my guy
But I’m not understanding why Jennings is just FALLING in mocks today. He was mid lottery through the entire process and now today I’m hearing him being low teens, maybe even 20? If he falls that much, maybe we can have our cake and eat it too? Blair AND Jennings? Not holding my breath, but I do hope Jennings is in blue and gold.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
if he falls
I would love to see us take him. A lot of talent, I think too much to pass up.
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
Jennings
If all we came out of this draft with was Jennings and whoever we take in the 2nd round, I would have to say that I would be pleased
Its on TV!!!
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
I like how Rubio was laughing with the rest of the guys
Even though I’m hearing his English is limited at best. “I’m slipping!? Haha, no, my footing is great!”
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got insider information
That Griffin is going #1 overall. You can thank me when it’s official.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
you're full of shit
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Stock footage on Carter is limited it seems
Only video ESPN has on him is knocking down shots and taking it to Rasho in Indiana last season.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
alright i'm back
after an hour break for dinner i have a drink in my hands and have to catch up on reports.
you guys hear michael jackson died? that’s crazy
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
A very sad twist to a day I was very excited about.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah definitely puts a downer on the day
i wonder and worry about how soon it’ll be before weird rumors and stories start coming out about MJ’s private life the past few years
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I'm afraid it'll get pretty ugly
But it won’t change my opinion on his music, which I’ll always enjoy. I could listen to “Dirty Diana” for hours.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
the saddest part of the whole MJ story is that everyone under the age of 15 or so only knows him as a crazy former pop star. it’s hard to appreciate the music if all you’ve ever heard are the weird stories.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 25, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ricky needs to work on his english as much as his jump shot
and I say that as a person born in a spanish speaking country with a mom who has a thicker accent than him
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Here we go
Jennings, Hill, Blair? Let’s get it going!
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
can he just announce this now?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Formalities...
Always hate the first pick wait when everyone knows the answer.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
anyone read Simmons open letter to Griffin?
the Clippers drafting history is scary
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
It is horrifying
Not only do they have a horrid history of drafting, but their history of passing on greater players is just a clear. Like their last two first rounders though.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know
i was more scared by all the career ending/altering injuries. incompetence can be consistent but those injuries really got fluky.
Agreed on Thornton and Gordon though. With Baron Davis and all those big guys, they could really do something. They just need a new coach
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
from draftexpress.com
“No team or agent has any clue what is going to happen. That’s the bottom line. Everyone is calling everyone and no one can really say what is going to happen. "
This is going to be fun
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Dang, Clips
Take the whole five minutes, whydontcha?
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
The NBA Draft Begins Now
Thabeet? Rubio? Dare I say…Curry?
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
Griffin Highlights
That dive over the scorer’s table was scary. A year or two w/the Clips should take care of that drive pretty quick…
Also
Shouldn’t Griffin have known better than to wear Lakers’ colors when getting drafted by the Clips?
wrong LA team
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Sharp hats this year
Wish I wore baseball caps, I might be interested in picking one up.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone thinks Thabeet is next.....
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Don't like Thabeet
They say Dikembe Mutombo offensively, but it feels like a Manute Bol to me, only a few inches shorter.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
welcome back
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
worst suit so far, that shit is shiny
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
this is where it gets interesting
Apparently absolutely no one knows who’s going next and there’s a chance someone will trade up for Rubio now. things could get crazy
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Blair "beasted" him - love that word
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Awesome...gotta be pumped if your a Griz fan....
When you can take a guy with ZERO offensive skills, who is incredibly soft, and gets dominated by any strong big guy you HAVE to do it.
Thabeet
62 more blocks than fouls. Damn. That’s very impressive.
He’s obviously a project, but doesn’t that mean he fits in w/the rest of Memphis?
perfect fit really
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Still not a huge fan of Rubio here
I think you can compete with Westbrook at your PG, but you’re looking at Harden or Evans?
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
the thunder could get really good really fast
although I think harden has a high bust potential
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
i imagine everyone is calling Sacramento right now to try and get Rubio
or at least, if I were an NBA GM, I would
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Jorge Gutierrez absolutely shut him down.
Not as useful as Rated-R Superstar, but, hey!, I stick my Grease watching to once a weekend.
by rollonubears on Jun 26, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Rush definitely has a higher ceiling in my opinion
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Tryeke!!!
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
stud
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
This Rubio business is interesting
He still seems like the second best player in the draft although all the highlights ever proved to me is he is good at putting the ball behind his back
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
MN really has a chance to improve
with Kevin Love and Al Jefferson up front and whoever 2 guys they get here, they could turn into something.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
FWIW, looking at David Kahn's resume
I interviewed with Proskauer Rose, where he worked 93-95. probably the main sports law firm from what i understand
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Lots of 1st rounders
1999 Hawks and 1990 Kings also had four. Didn’t work too hot for either team.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
From Spain to Minnesota
Roughly the same weather in those two places. He’ll love it.
now i know what is draft
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
If Curry goes, this place is going to explode
With Knick fans crying. Looking forward to that!
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta be picking for someone else
This pick wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense if Rubio is their guy.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Possibly
I’ve always hated how the NBA announces trades after picks were made instead of before.
yeah I would have gotten Curry too
and i would have turned into a Minny fan as well. This pick seems odd. 2 smaller PG’s? Maybe they are looking to use Rubio as a trading piece?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
can anyone say trade?
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
too bad for curry
don’t know if i like him in GS as much as NYC
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Honestly, I don't either
I actually thought Jennings worked here for the Warriors, but I hope Curry can succeed in Oaktown regardless. I want him to do great wherever he’s at.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nellie is rough on rookies
As far as playing time is concerned. That being said, if he gets his minutes, I think he could be a really good run and gun guard.
he could put up a lot of points
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Hope Nellie will play him
As someone who lives in the Bay Area, I’m happy I get to watch him every night.
Later guys
I’ve got to head to work. Here’s hoping the Bulls get desperate when #13 comes up.
Darn
I was hoping Hill would slip.
Boos from the Knicks? Good to see they’re as classy as ever.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
yeah i hoped he'd slip too
if he somehow got to us, we could have turned the pick into something really good
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
someone said D'Antoni compared Hill to Amare
in terms of his ability to get up and down the court and score easy baskets. i don’t see him being more than an okay rotation player but he’s got some potential for sure
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
less explosiveness but yeah, similar traits
alright Donnie Walsh
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
interesting pick next
Blair has been dropping mocks today but the highest i’ve seen him go is here at 10 to Milwaukee. A few people guessed that at some point.. time to start hoping he slips
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Won't lie
I don’t know much about DeRozen to be able to judge this pick.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
same here but i think there's a reason for it
the dude’s athletic but he feels like a bust. didn’t do a whole lot last year.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Definitely. He didn’t impress me at all.
Not as useful as Rated-R Superstar, but, hey!, I stick my Grease watching to once a weekend.
by rollonubears on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
straight outa compton
so with 2 picks left before us, we have potentially blair and holiday as most of our favorites left
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I'm all right with either
If not, let’s make some deals.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
dang
there goes the jennings dream
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
we haven't talked about Holiday much
I think we all assumed he wouldn’t make it to us but I would be real happy with him. he can really lock down on the perimeter, something we need badly
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
switching over to see Big Papi bat with 2 men on
hope i don’t miss anything big
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
and it's a sac fly
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
holliday hasnt been discussed at all but man would that be sweet
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
it would be our first
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
ould be very excited if we landed him, great defender and quick as lightning
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
henderson, bit of a surprise to me
i thought the bulls wanted to move up for him so maybe we can’t get those 2 picks anymore
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
WOO HOO!!!!
i’m now officially a little drunk and about to piss myself in excitement.
quick vote on desire: Holiday, blair, Lawson, etc. Trade???
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I guess I'm on board for Holiday
Still not a huge fan of Blair.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
I wanted Blair
but since Holiday is surprisingly still on the board, I’d take him
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
wow
i’m on the phone with a buddy in NYC to tell him who we pick. he had been guessing Hansborough for a while and I kept telling him how pissed we all would be if it happened. and it happened.
whether or not he turns into a good player, it sucks that we didn’t trade down to get him.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
larry did a horrible job hiding who he wanted i guess
if we’re looking for positives, no off court trouble, works hard, and he’s white without tattoos so Indiana will be quicker to accept him
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I can only laugh.
Seriously. I don’t know what to think.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he helped a guy who had a seizure on a plane.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
We are already
the whitest team in the NBA…
I really hope they trade him
that was odd
something about that made me dislike jennings a bit more
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
unfortunately no
if we were going to trade, i don’t know why we’d get a guy who was projected a lot lower
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
holiday is really slipping
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Trade him to who? No one else in the league would have taken him this high. I can’t wait until we have Tyler, Murphy and McRoberts on the court at the same time.
please don't say that out loud again
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
JOB on Tyler
Very excited, tremendously tough guy, as hard a worker as Larry Bird. He’ll make every practice better and every player better and leave everything he has on the court. Great success in college, great free throw shooter.
awesome
because i think the reason we didn’t make the playoffs was free throw shooting
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
If JOB really believes this he should be fired. Tyler is junk and everyone who watched college basketball knows this.
while i'm not happy about him, i'll disagree a bit
if you watched college basketball, he could play there. he’s got great stats and succeeded in college ball as well as anyone ever has. it’s his transition to the NBA that scares everyone
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I know he can play college ball, what I was saying is that if you watch College ball you know his game only works there. Not in the NBA.
right, agreed there
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
PredictaBird
Larry Bird is so predictable they should just call him PredictaBird…. this team just ended up with “McRoberts 2” and it was pretty obvious from a long time ago that this would be the pick. They will regret it in another 4-5 years when Hansborough is in the NBDL while Blair is top 10 in rebounding.
trade for lawson now too????
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Why not?
He knows how to win just like Hansbrough.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bird on Hansbrough
That’s who they wanted all along. There were some trade options but when TH was there at 13 they went for it.
Great Dickie V loves our pick. He’s always right, just like when he called Nick Collison a star coming out of college.
i was getting ready to type something about that
if Dickie V likes it, I hate it
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
If we keep them all
we now have 7 white guys (murphy, dunleavy, foster, diener, mcroberts, hansbrough, nesterovich)
rasho is gone though
so it’s only 6. haha.
Hansborough bridges the link between Murphy and Foster.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
for whatever that's worth
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Dicky V
Calling for 14/8 for our new guy.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
He'll never see....
14 MINUTES on the court in any given game, let alone score 14 ppg.
I do believe we will be able to put best all White American Guy team on the court at once.
PG – Diener
SG – Dunleavy
SF – Hansbrough
PF – Murphy
C – Foster
hey as far as all white teams go, that's decent
let’s trade Granger for Nash and really do this right. Wait, does Nash count as a Canadian?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I feel like
the Pacers are attempting to set the civil rights movement back 60 years…we might as well field a team from 1965
At least Tyler
Can step in right away….isn’t that the only thing we need? Right? Right?
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So which marginally decent senior do we take next year?
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know but he should be white
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
yeah think about it
for the longest time EVERYONE keeps saying this is the worst draft in a long while. So what does that mean? you should aim for next year’s draft. we are in a great position for that. I’m excited………..
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Strangely
All of my text messages stopped when they made the pick.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so who's up for taking a misery shot?
after that pick I’m thinking we deserve some really shitty vodka, or something along those lines
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Moving up from beer to whisky
“He can contribute.” That’s all I keep telling myself, although I’m not convinced just yet.
If we walk out
with Hansbrough and whoever at 52, doesn’t this have to be deemed a failure of a draft?
Just to clarify - the Pacers did just take Hansbrough with the 13th pick, right?
I had to make sure in case my meds were making me hallucienate.
hey there you are
could this be a collective hallucination?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
WHAT????
The timberwolves have picked 3 PG’s
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
i would love getting one of those guys
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
so without any trades, our lineup is....
exactly the same as the non-playoff team we were last year? i mean, again, without any trades, we’re taking a big step back, right?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Not necessarily
Hansbrough has to be at least as productive as Rasho was. But as a whole…yeah. Same exact team.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i’m usually pretty optimistic and think of guys’ ceiling. but Hansborough’s ceiling was college player of the year. and he did it 2 years ago
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
The thing about Hansbrough...
Teams thought he wasn’t good all his career. He was always the same player. Then he goes to the combine and measures out a better than expected and all of a sudden it was like he was a completely new player, ignoring his 4 year career. Jeez, Bird is dumb.
exactly. that sucks
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah this has been really disappointing
at least we’ll probably keep Jack now that we didn’t get a PG. right?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Maynor to Utah
Don’t get it, but lucky them.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
will anyone get a little excited if we end up with patty mills?
other than SethGrandpa, we know how you feel about him
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
i'd prefer maynor to hansborough
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
That goes without saying I'm afraid
There have been 19 players drafted so far I’d prefer over Hansbrough.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
seems weird
draftexpress had him at like 22 after having him at our pick for a few days. it seemed dumb to have him rop so much but i guess they were right
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Maybe we can get trade something and get Blair?
And pretend he was our 13th pick and Hansy was picked at 29 or wherever Blair is.
Nah, who am I kidding…
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Larry, make a move to get Patty Mills and I'll completely forgive you...
Ok, not completely, but I’ll be off suicide watch…
People, seriously
The Pacers are more than just the 13th pick away from being a playoff team. Maybe there is a trade in the works, but realistically, with a team featuring TJ Ford and Jarrett Jack, it makes no sense to draft ANOTHER PG.
The Pacers are rebuilding with “high effort” players, not “upside” guys with questionable character. We tried that already, and it got us no where. They are also waiting until some of the huge salary players (Dunleavy, Murphy, Tinsely, etc.) come off the books. This will allow them to go out and sign some marquis players.
Tyler fits exactly the mold of the modern Pacers: Tough, high effort, play till the end. Most NBA players are NOT like this. Consider yourself lucky the team is now stacked with them as the rebuild.
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What?
The guy hasn’t played a lick of NBA ball, and already you think he sucks. Meanwhile, all he did in college was dominate. Seriously, give the dude a chance.
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I don't feel like I have to. It's like if the Colts drafted a Texas Tech or Hawaii QB to take over for Manning.
He doesn’t have a game that will translate. You can’t be unathletic and succeed in the NBA at forward.
Look, I hope I’m wrong, but I’ll bet absolutely anything I won’t be.
we're more than the 13th pick away
but we’re not any closer than we were earlier tonight. well, we’re a backup PF closer.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I don’t think you follow the Pacers enough to make these statements. Jack isn’t even signed for next year. I know we aren’t one player away, that’s why Tyler makes no sense. And marquis players don’t sign with the Pacers, never have never will. Draft for upside now, Holiday was the pick.
PAcers
Hi. I do follow the Pacers enough to make any statements I please. Get over yourself.
Why doesn’t taking another high effort player make “no sense?” It’s how Bird is rebuilding the team. You can disagree with that philosophy, but that same notion got Indy Granger and Rush.
Oh, and unless you plan on having the #1 pick in the draft, you absolutely, positively MUST sign or trade for a marquis player. Otherwise, you’re wasting our time. Indy can’t do that now with the contracts they have. Once those contracts are gone, then they should make an effort to sign someone.
If they don’t, THEN the fire bird cries start having some merit.
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Find me a big time FA who has ever signed in Indy.
Do it. You’ll be looking a long time. It’s not somewhere NBA players want to go. The Pacers have to build through the draft and trades, which is why wasting a pick is criminal. And it’s the 3rd time in the past 4 years (Shawne, trade for Al Harrington, Tyler).
Name one
Please name ONE marquis free agent this team has signed ever. And no, re-signing Reggie doesn’t count. The city’s too small, the weather’s too shitty. It just doesn’t happen. So you have to build through the draft. Tyler at 13 is not the answer. And Granger was a top 10 talent that teams got scared of because of perceived knee problems (sound familiar? Blair). Trading is a possibility but not with these contracts (which I agree with you on). So why not take a chance on a high upside guy, rather than a junior version of a player we already have twice?
Stacked????
With crap maybe. I agree we have these albatross salaries, but waiting for them to get off the books? In that case, I’m waiting to pay taxes (and have some sort of CIB bailout getting them) until those guys are off the books.
just read through the pacers.com live blog to see comments on Hansborough
sounds like half the fans love him and half hate him. I’m going to guess that the half that love him are the less informed people who may or may not have a little underlying racism. the people who hate him, well, they follow basketball closely
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I think this is a fair assesment.
I mean people who don’t follow college would love the pick because they’ve heard his name. Makes sense.
as Cornrows said a week or two ago
I can’t wait for 2011 when well have some cap room. maybe we can turn into a playoff team? a 7th seed maybe??
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
You'll have to
It’s about winning a ring. This team is not built to win a ring, and it won’t be until it has cap room, allowing them to bring in a marquis player to help them win a ring. This is the NBA. Stars rule the association. No stars? No ring.
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Right, which is why it's dumb to draft a guy who has 0% star potential.
by SethGrandpa on Jun 25, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The only issue I have
is if we’re waiting a few years for cap relief, I don’t understand why we aren’t drafting for future potential? If we’re not in a position to win now, why draft like we are? That’s the biggest issue I have with Hansbrough.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is any team going to make a move?
No one’s doing anything.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
is it weird that their haven't been any trades yet
except for lawson that is
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Maybe
Blair will still be around when we pick in the second round lol
He’s gonna be a steal for someone
why is blair still available? what is going on?
are we all wrong on him?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I wasn't big on him
But I thought that was just me. Weird.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently not having ACLs is a negative.
by SethGrandpa on Jun 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
do you need those?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I never thought he was lottery worthy but I figured he’d be gone by now, or before hansbrough for that matter……..
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by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well guys
It’s been real. Looks like Hansbrough is our guy, for better or worse, so it’s time to move forward with that. Everyone take it easy. Maybe I’ll come back and discover a miracle has transpired.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
And they can shove all the B.S. about drafting guys because they are high character. A.J. Price was convicted of stealing laptops in college. What kind of idiot steals computers in college? He sucks and will not even make the team.
Agreed on character thing
But another senior? Why does Bird think that only seniors who are 22 or older are draftable? It seems to be the Billy Beane “Moneyball” theory of only drafting seasoned college players rather than young guns. Works (to a point) in baseball, not in basketball. I have no idea what the point is. If the point is to make the playoffs, we’ll succeed in short order. If the goal is winning a title, which it should be, we probably need a new GM.
I feel everyone is overreacting a wee bit. I am far more mad about passing up on Patty than the Hansbrough pick. It was a shitty draft for the Pacers. But do people think Hansbrough will be bad? No. He just won’t be great. I honestly want him to play on Indiana for a long time. We are building a a very young and very good team. When we are in the playoffs next year (or at worst, the year after) Hansbrough will be an asset because he is a winner. He will never be a star. He may average a double-double over a few seasons, but never a lot more. However, if I am building a team for the future, I want a guy like Hansbrough on there (You know, just not in the lottery).
Not as useful as Rated-R Superstar, but, hey!, I stick my Grease watching to once a weekend.
by rollonubears on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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