Potential Top Picks Work Out For Pacers
The Indiana Pacers took a close look at a few players considered to be in the mix for the team's top pick in next week's NBA draft. Ty Lawson (North Carolina), Jeff Teague (Wake Forest), DeJuan Blair (Pitt), Jrue Holliday (UCLA), Toney Douglas (Florida State) and Goran Suton (Michigan State) all put their game's under scrutiny in hopes that they don't slip past the Pacers with the 13th pick in the draft.
Pacers.com Draft Central has all of the post-workout videos. The Pacers situation is starting to look pretty good to these guys, that's for sure.
Other draft notes:
- Mike Wells offers his coverage of the Monday workouts along with a little analysis. In a nutshell, Lawson was solid, there's plenty to love about Blair and more players will be working out later this week.
- Bob Kravitz is set with DeJuan Blair if the big boy is still around at 13.
- Monday was the last day for early-entry players to pull their names out of the draft. DraftExpress has the lastest info on who's in and who's out. Among local names of note, Pike's Jeff Teague is in "100%" while Andrean/Notre Dame biggin', Luke Harongody is heading back for another year with the Irish.
- Ty Lawson chatted with Mark Boyle (audio) on the Dan Dakich Show. Lawson made a solid impression by quickly agreeing to take care of Boyle's rookie requirement to buy him a box of cigars.
- DeJuan Blair spoke with JMV (audio) on Monday afternoon and sounded quite enthused about the idea of playing for the Pacers.
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Blair looks like a likely bust to me
Too small, a history of knee injuries, and lots of weight on them. That just seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
I’ve looked at the draft pretty closely and the guy I think most likely to be a difference making player is Lawson. Take him, trade TJ Ford for whatever they can get, and call it a day.
by Sports2 on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what you look for. I would be weary to build a team around him, but he is a perfect backup PF banger
His stats are better than those of hyped Jordan Hill across the board. His wingspan, standing reach, vert and quickness is better than that of many NBA players at the position (last I checked you didn’t play with the top of your head).
by Norsktroll on Jun 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!!!!
I think Blair is the LEAST likely to be a bust among the guys available at 13.
Too many people get caught up in trying to find the guys who do everything well. Those guys are far too few and far between to expect in the middle of round 1.
The best course of action IMHO is to take the guy you ABSOLUTELY know will be able to do 1 thing at the NBA level.
Dennis Rodman was never thought of as a complete NBA player. However he was a vital cog in 5 NBA championship teams.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jun 16, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no he's probably the highest bust chance...
Not because of his skills, but because of his health. BOTH of his knees got red-flagged (a la Greg Oden) at the NBA Combine. I’m very hesitant to pick him because of that.
by SethGrandpa on Jun 16, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad knees...
Having an ACL surgery on both your knees when you weight 265 (this is according to paper, if Lebron weighs 270, then Blair is easily 290-300) that screams for brevity in his career. Big guys with knee problems never seem to recover (think Jermaine and Oden). I’m not questioning his rebounding and toughness, but do you really want to take a guy to rebound and bang some people for a few years on an average team or draft for talent and try to develop? At 13, you have to take a shot on talent.
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer."
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 16, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say
Oden never seemed to recover?? He has played one season.
by captain flitzy on Jun 17, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he was drafted 2 years ago and he's played 61 of 170 Blazers games since.
Not really a great sign. Sure it’s too early to tell, but it doesn’t look great.
by SethGrandpa on Jun 17, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair has the smallest chance of being a complete bust unless he gets hurt. Rebounding numbers transfer over VERY well from college to the pros.
Lawson on the other hand has very high bust potential IMO. PG’s are hit and miss, he is tiny, and he had an injury red flag as well.
Plus… we already have a short pg who can’t defend in ford. Why draft a copy of him all over again.
I do NOT want lawson. If we draft a pg I want him to be able to defend someone… not someone who is 5’10
by dbcb on Jun 16, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scattered Rumors from DraftExpress
Scattered Rumors
-Following up our blurb from Treviso last week, we’re told that Jeremy Tyler has officially signed with Maccabi Haifa of the Israeli league. This is a move that is sure to bring owner Jeff Rozen and his team a great deal of attention over the next two years. Tyler’s camp balked at adding a third year onto the contract, preferring to have the flexibility of no NBA buyout whatsoever when he becomes draft-eligible in 2011. Tyler will reportedly make somewhere in the area of $200,000 next season.
-The Sacramento Kings are doing their best to convince people that they have Tyreke Evans at the top of their board, even going as far as to tell Evans as much in their workout last week. Most NBA people we speak to believe that this is nothing more than them "blowing smoke" in order to give themselves a backup plan in case Rubio is gone at #2 or #3, and also to "stir the pot" amongst Rubio’s camp. The Kings would very likely want Rubio to work out for them rather than just conduct a meet and greet, but as of right now there are no plans for that.
-In the unlikely case that Rubio slips past Sacramento, it appears that Washington will not hesitate to pick him if they feel like he’s indeed the best player on their draft board. The prevailing sentiment at the moment is that Rubio is not in a position to return to Joventut, and that he may have lost some of the leverage he once had by keeping his name in the draft and suing his former team.
Many feel like Rubio would be a good fit in Washington playing alongside Gilbert Arenas, but Rubio’s camp apparently does not agree with that notion at all.
-Don’t be surprised to see players start working out for teams that appear to be slightly outside their draft range on first glance, in hopes of finding the best possible fit. Jrue Holiday for example is working out for the Indiana Pacers at #13, while James Johnson will be in Salt Lake City next week working out for the Jazz, who hold the #20 pick.
-We’re hearing that DeJuan Blair is in pretty good shape at the moment, and he continues to have very strong workouts that are easing the concerns teams have about his knee. Blair’s draft range looks pretty steady between 12 and 16, although he will work out for teams above and below those picks. Don’t be surprised to see a team like Oklahoma City or Portland try to make a move for him on draft night, as both organizations are reportedly very high on him.
-Does B.J. Mullens have a promise from Chicago at 16? That doesn’t seem to make a great deal of sense considering that he’s working out for Philadelphia at 17 later this week…The talk of a promise started once Mullens pulled out of the New Jersey Nets group workout, but it’s possible he just didn’t want to deal with the prospect of matching up with Luke Nevill again. Mullens really struggled in the two previous group workouts that they went head to head.
-The Oklahoma City Thunder are reportedly in Los Angeles right now visiting with Hasheem Thabeet and watching him work out.
-Earl Clark is having some very strong workouts as of late, and is rising back up teams’ draft boards. He was very good in Minnesota apparently, and is strongly in the mix in New Jersey (#11), Charlotte (#12), Phoenix (#14) and Detroit (#15).
by captain flitzy on Jun 16, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Earl Clark
I think Clark could be a nice hit for someone in this draft. I knew we have discussed how Louisville players thrive in a system, but this guy has all the athletic ability to be a very good pro. He wouldn’t be the defensive presence down low we are looking for but he would be very nice to watch in a fast break offense. I could definitely see him developing into a Lamar Odom type player once he adds some bulk. If he is rumored all around the Pacers, I have no reason to believe he won’t be seriously looked at by us as well.
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer."
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 16, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe they'll look at him...
But I’d be upset if they took him. My stay-away list for the Pacers at 12 is as follows: Henderson, Clark, Williams, Lawson, Hansbrough, Mullens, and Daye. I think I’ll ,at the very least, be able to at least talk myself into any other pick even if it’s an reach for a late 1st rounder.
by SethGrandpa on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Agree with most of that list. I think Williams will be a baller, and I am not a Pitino or L-Ville fan. Henderson intrigues me, but only as a defender.
by jantz101 on Jun 16, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams
The more and more I look at Williams I have to agree that I think he can be an effective player. The thing to me is this, I have no idea who I want the Pacers to take at 13. I think due the this draft being so weak there really aren’t any top notch choices. I do like Blair and I think he can be effective from day one, I just don’t see it making a big enough impact for the Pacers because they need another very good player on the offensive end around Granger. If the Pacers can find a way to trade down into the 16-20 range, I would feel much more comfortable drafting anyone the Pacer’s have been rumored to take. Getting a pick in that range and acquiring a future pick or an expiring contract would be great.
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer."
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 17, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I just don't know if it'll happen because all the talent seems so even.
I mean, who would a team trade up to 12 for who isn’t comparable to a guy they could take 16-20?
by SethGrandpa on Jun 17, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee troubles
Hard telling if Blair is bust-worthy or not, since we have no idea how bad his knees are. Remember Granger fell into our laps because of rumored knee problems, but Danny is carrying around 60 or so less lbs! Maybe the Pacers doctors saw something in Danny’s knees that other teams doctors missed (can the team doctors even look at potential draft picks pre-draft?). Blair supposedly has shed some lbs, so maybe he can work them bad knees back into shape! I guess this is where we all need to have some faith in the front office and their interpretations of the draft data.
by jantz101 on Jun 16, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, but Granger's had a rumor that his knee was bad...
It’s been basically confirmed as much as possible with Blair. Now the degree to which they’re bad is a different matter, but they aren’t good.
by SethGrandpa on Jun 16, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...I guess I'm wrong...via Chad Ford...
“We’ve been trying to get to the bottom of DeJuan Blair’s situation for the past few weeks. We’ve heard from a number of teams that they’ve had concerns about his knees and it’s only come to light in recent days that those concerns have to do with the fact that doctors can’t seem to find his ACLs in the MRIs they’ve taken. There are a lot of different takes on what this means, and I won’t bore you with them here.
The bottom line seems to be that some teams are worried about Blair’s knees and some teams aren’t. There’s a long history of guys with reported knee problems slipping (Danny Granger is the poster child) only to go on to long careers in the league. So even when the doctors are wringing their hands, some GMs aren’t afraid. "
by SethGrandpa on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Consider me back on the Blair bandwagon!
by jantz101 on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hines Ward
Hines Ward slipped deep in the NFL draft when he came out of Georgia, due to Dr.’s not being able to find his ACL. (He was born without them? Go figure?). And he has had an excellent career.
Bottom line is that Blair WILL rebound at the NBA level. All of the reports I have read about his workouts, have been extremely positive. If he is there, you need to take him.
Not a star, but NBA teams aren’t going to have 5 stars on their rosters. The teams that tried the star method usually don’t work. Only 1 basketball means that you need good role players as well.
Best way to build an NBA team, both financially and chemistry wise is 2 Stars and role players who complement the stars. Right now we have 1 star and a mixed bag of similar guys.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jun 17, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Knees are one thing
Knees plus lots of weight are another thing.
Then there’s the weight itself. Blair supposedly lost 40lbs in the month leading up to the combine.
CHICAGO — Look out for DeJuan Blair. If anyone made an impact on the first day of the NBA’s combine here, it was Blair. That’s because, when he stepped on the scale this morning for his official weigh-in, he registered at 275, an astounding 40 pounds less than the 315 he was at just four weeks ago, when he began working out at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla. In fact, Blair said that when he worked out for Phoenix just three days ago, he was 289.
Fourteen pounds in three days? “I called my mom after the weigh-in,” Blair said. “She said, ‘Did you cut your leg off?’”
This draft is thin on power forwards once you get past surefire No. 1 pick Blake Griffin and Jordan Hill, who is likely to go in the top seven. The two knocks on Blair — who averaged 15.7 points and 12.3 rebounds this year at Pittsburgh — are his height and his weight. But, thanks to some intense badgering from his nutritionist and a high-protein, low-carb diet, weight no longer seems to be a problem.
“I haven’t been this slim since the 10th grade,” Blair said. “I blew up, but now I am back down. I like where I am. Trust me, I am not going to blow up again.”
If that doesn’t strike images of Oliver Miller fear into your heart I dunno what will.
by Sports2 on Jun 17, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha. "Knees are one thing."
I do hope whoever we draft has knees. I hate how it’s become acceptable to refer to an injury just by a body part, like “Dunleavy is out with a knee” or “Iverson is out with a shoulder.”
by SethGrandpa on Jun 18, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that is extremely annoying to hear
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
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