Pacers Enjoy A Couple Of Days Off For A Little Holiday Cheer Up
Did anyone think this was going to be painless?
After a couple of days off, I have to give a Buckner-esque, "My goodness!" to the collective negative assessments after another four-game losing streak.
The most glaring complaint is that the Pacers should completely rebuild. Take the pain, get rid of all of the high-priced contracts and hopefully hit the lottery.
What exactly do you think they're doing?
Comparing the Pacers to other teams right now is not apples-to-apples, unless you want to turn back the clock five years. Nothing has changed since we went over this last year and again this summer. There are still five big contracts (Dunleavy, Murph, Ford, Foster and Tinsley) on the roster until the summer of 2011 so settle in for the long haul. If you want to move any of those contracts sooner, then don't complain about playing time because, as Murph is doing right now, playing is the only way to entice another team into a trade.
Plus, an honest look at the circumstances around changing the image of the team can't be dismissed either. Locally the image has changed drastically, although not yet where it needs to be. But, there's no doubt the current roster is seen in a positive light, unfortunately there's also plenty of apathy toward the team because of the lack of results. Prior to the current state, though, there wasn't apathy, there was disgust. People literally turning away from the product. Now the team needs to start winning to turn the apathy back into passion.
But winning will still be a couple of years away, especially if the key players that could deliver some success, can't get on the floor together.
Player evaluation will be key over the next two years, whether in trades or drafts, Larry Bird doesn't have room to miss. I'm assuming, and would love to know, there are some advance statistics used in evaluations, but not on the same level as teams like Houston and Oklahoma City. Trying something different would be welcomed and obviously, if the results don't change, changes will be made.
After the jump, a couple of links of interest along with Part 2 of Reggie Miller on the Crate.
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Pacers still a quarter short
Mike Wells finds the Pacers lobbying for three-quarter games and wondering about bogging down in the half court with set plays at winning time. -
A Christmas wish list for the Pacers
Bruno goes through a wish list of Pacer-related items to cheer up the organization. -
Pacers enjoy bringing Christmas to those in need
Jeff Rabjohns reports on the Pacers putting all of the losses of late in perspective by spreading a little holiday cheer to those in need. -
Reggie Miller back with Part 2 of his Pacers Crate interview.
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Still waiting on my Christmas Present
Well, its Christmas evening and i have been searching for breaking news on EPSN about the Pacers. I dont know if its right that i reveal my Christmas wishes but i had asked Santa to fire JOB and get us a real coach. I still have my hopes that Santa will come through by midnight. Reading the many comments on this website and the Indy Star site about the Pacers, it seems i am one of the very few that places the blame on the Pacer losing ways on JOB. I really dont think we need to make big changes. I believe the Pacers could win if they were coached. There seems to be no confidence by the players in the coaching staff. Please Santa, I still have my tree on, please make my wish come true.
by Slick4President on Dec 25, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Is now a good time though?
Regardless of what this current team does, big changes are on the way between right now and summer 2011. There’s really no way around it. So until the situation is more settled I don’t see a high quality coach coming in before then. I guess if you want to take a flyer on an assistant and hope to strike gold, that would be reasonable.
Why not NOW??
The season isnt even half over with, and were all ready to throw in the towel and wait till next summer. I guess i dont understand the reasoning of doing nothing until next year. We know we cant make major changes now, but isnt it realistic thinking to make a coaching change along with the style of play were doing now. High quality coach? We dont have one now so why are we worried about that
by Slick4President on Dec 26, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions
get this goon outta here!
o’brien needs to go and the sooner the better. let lester finish out the year on an interim basis and then pick the coach who’s gonna be able to handle this team for one year before he gets a bunch of fresh meat during the next summer. the longer o’brien stays on the sidelines, the longer it’s gonna take to undo what he’s been doing.
by blueandgold24 on Dec 26, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bright future, dark present
I truly believe the reconstruction of the Pacers is being done in a clever manner with the salary cap as the number one obstacle. I think that Tyler, Brandon, Roy, and perhaps Price are really solid young role players to play with Danny. Once the cap space is there it would be great to reel in another player (or two) of Dannys caliber. That would make us a threat…a serious threat. Regardless of the coaching we just don’t have the personnel to get anything done right now. I had lost patience with Murph playing because I didn’t think anyone would touch that salary of his till next season, and Ide prefer to see our young guys develope. But if there are potential suitors for Murph or Dunleavy, playing them may be the right thing to do. Especially if we can grab up an expiring deal or two. A high ceiling draft pick would be nice while waiting on 2011 as well, but you’re probably right Tom, were probably gonna have to wait it out…and you’re definatly right about the image change. I get tired of losing, but I would much rather lose with guys I can cheer for, than to win with a bunch of death row inmates (a bit of exagerration). We have high moral guys, great young role players, sometimes it’s just difficult waiting for the final pieces of the puzzle to click into place.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
High Moral Guys?
Are you kidding? Apparently you are not aware of the legal issues surrounding Price and Rush in their college days.
What's a couple of laptops??
Let him who has not sinned cast the first stone…I’m not talking about having Mother Teresa, just no beating up handicapped people, or firing off guns in the middle of the city. Big difference between felony type stuff and a bit of “guys will be guys misdemeanoring.”
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
Huh?
The most glaring complaint is that the Pacers should completely rebuild. Take the pain, get rid of all of the high-priced contracts and hopefully hit the lottery.
What exactly do you think they’re doing?
I know they’re not rebuilding. Note that most of the word is “building”, not “re”. That’s not just an etymological nicety. In this case, it’s instructive. Think about tearing down a building and rebuilding it from the foundation (which is, for the Pacers, Granger and Hibbert).
When you tear down and rebuild a building, you tear down the existing structure quickly. Because, actually, most of the time and effort needs to be spent building the new one.
If you don’t get rid of the old team for a year and a half, you are NOT rebuilding. You’re just screwing around. Just like if you say, “I’m going to knock down my crappy old building and build a new one on the foundation. But I’m not gonna do it for a year and a half”, well, you’re not actually rebuilding. You’re just using your crappy old building.
There is no reason the Pacers shouldn’t get this rebuilding on the road. Immediately. Knock this team down. The vast majority of these guys, while not great, are quite tradeable. Murphy, Foster and Dunleavy all should be fairly moveable. The only guy I see that really needs to go that might be difficult to get an expiring contract for is Ford. But it should be doable if you include him one one of the other guys.
So there’s no reason it can’t be done that I see. On the other hand, there are obvious reasons it should be done.
1. This team is obviously not going to get anything accomplished this year as constituted. So the opportunity cost is miniscule.
2. Any draft picks, useful players, or free agent opportunities this summer will actually be helpful.
Do you really think the Pacers wouldn’t trade some of those big contracts if they could? Murphy is playing himself into tradeable territory. Foster has back issues, Dunleavy knee issues. Much easier said than done.
It must be tough to trade these guys....I assume.
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
I think at various points they have been tradeable and will be again
Murphy had decent numbers last year and they probably could have moved him. They didn’t. He appears quite tradeable now and I don’t see any real reason to wait.
Obviously Dunleavy wasn’t, but he’s back playing and seems to be improving. Barring another injury he’s certainly moveable by the deadline.
Foster was moveable when he was playing. Shouldn’t have been given an extension in the first place (building a sun room on the house you want to knock down). If he’s on the court and playing again by the trade deadline, they ought to be trying like hell to trade him too.



























